Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

[67volbabygirl]

I've also wondered if this was also a problem with the deal, LaMonte's Browns clients are about to be cleaned out, and Haslam is the reason... Think maybe he tried to negotiate on behalf of his clients in Cleveland in all these dealings with Haslam?

No. I don't. Word I have gotten is that little Jim is not being allowed to have anything to do with the coaching search. He botched the Dooley hire and conflict of interest, however big Jim is the spearhead in this coaching search. That being said, the line between the family tie is non existent in Lamonte's eyes.

 

[peelwonder]

Tweet just posted says we will make offer in 48 hours FML.

not gonna happen...not buying it....nobody knows anything at this point. When the AD comes out and make a statement then I'll believe not until then.

 

[gcbvol]

Fisher would be a very poor hire, imo. So far at FSU he has proven to be a great recruiter but very average coach. He out-talents everyone in the ACC (Clemson may be close) yet under performs. I am also not convinced he is an elite recruiter - recruiting to LSU under Saban and at one of the big FL schools might exaggerate his actual skill. And even if he did recruit the same way at UT he's not going to out-talent several teams in this league; if he can't dominate the ACC with more talent do we really think he's going to beat the big guys in the SEC with equal talent?

 

[MACGRUDER]

Folks, I'm not trying to discredit the OGs here. I buy that they have sources and are privy to things the average fan isn't. That being said, this deal is bigger than us, them, and likely most of their sources. Unless they're getting info from Hart, Gruden, or the Haslam camp - they're probably just as clueless in these final moments as the rest of us are.

This is the biggest move to hit the NCAA, maybe ever. If Saban to AL came as a shocker, what could this deal be? That was in 2007, before twitter blew up and social media, instant information, and online leaks were anywhere near the obvious risks they are now.

If someone who truly knows what's going on tells ANYONE, you can bet it will replicate and get out there faster than an STD during pledge week. That's why nothing, really, at this point can be trusted - especially when folks won't cite exactly what they hear or who they're hearing it from.

I'd bet fewer than 10 people truly know what's fully going on in this situation. The rest of us can, and are, just speculating. We can only take the facts (or the things that appear closest to facts) and deduce what we can from there. That being said, others and myself have painted a very believable narrative of what could be playing out right now over the last two days. And most of what I've read and buy into doesn't come from folks with inside sources - just good old fashioned rationality.

Everyone so worked up over this should do themselves a favor and look those posts up. I'm more confident than ever that Gruden is the guy. And in no way by me saying that last sentence should you be - instead, read the most likely facts and what a few of us have posted. Connect the dots, and it should hopefully ease your mind.

 

[Dylecho]

I would add (referencing Hart's PC from the Dooley dismissal) that we apparently have some institutional specific issues that discourage high profile prospective coaches as those issues present an added challenge evidently not share by many of our competitors. This could be somewhat related to the famous "control" issues we continue to hear vague reports about.

Agreed, I thought about mentioning the now infamous discord between UT Admin, AD, and boosters, but thought that might be taken as conjecture–you said it succinctly. Thanks for the addition.

 

[warrior]

Thanks my man. I think I'm using this forum to vent...like a recovery group. appreciate it though, thanks.

State your name and addiction. It can be more than just a recovery group.

We do human sacrifices when the Grude demands it.

 

[Sheath Huler]

Me trying to explain the UT coaching search to my fiance

 

[CMcEver]

No. I don't. Word I have gotten is that little Jim is not being allowed to have anything to do with the coaching search. He botched the Dooley hire and conflict of interest, however big Jim is the spearhead in this coaching search. That being said, the line between the family tie is non existent in Lamonte's eyes.

This makes sense, and I completely agree, 2-3 of those clients are going to be hard sells for him going forward... huge loss for LaMonte.

 

[Dylecho]

Hey guys, don't know if this is good or bad. I don't know how to link the article but you all need to Google the article related to Lamonte being the MVP for the Cleveland Browns. In the article it refers to him as an "illusionist" and basically he represents every major coach on that team. Problem is Haslam may have removed most of those coaches. Esp. Holmy which is one of his best friends. I don't think this would be good for a Haslam/Lamonte relationship.

That's a really good point. This could be the source of what I perceive to be a very public pi$$ing contest between LaMonte (not necessarily Gruden) and the $$$.
LaMonte could be butthurt and taking it out on UT.
This might be a shot across the bow on how dealings will be between LaMonte's and Haslam's people at the NFL level.

 

[msanford52]

JG himself has not said No yet. Just his agent

 

[warrior]

No. I don't. Word I have gotten is that little Jim is not being allowed to have anything to do with the coaching search. He botched the Dooley hire and conflict of interest, however big Jim is the spearhead in this coaching search. That being said, the line between the family tie is non existent in Lamonte's eyes.

So Lamonte is one of the problems potentially. Easier guy to put the blame on than Hart to pacify UT fans.

Makes you wonder about mid October and the whole Gruden coming here and

 

[R Cannon]

I am about to believe to solve this mystery we must look into the purchase of the browns. Was it for him to make money ? Have control of a football team?
He has plenty of money.
He basically has control of our Vols without spending all that money .
So what gives here I thought it was odd when he made the purchase ?

 

[Sheath Huler]

My head hurts too bad to try and figure the Browns/Lamonte/Haslam connection tonight. Maybe someone here has better insight than I.

GRUDEN. We will never give up!

Man it would be nice to announce him tomorrow at the stadium so the afterglow of Bama's win would be diminished just a bit for the next week by the talk of our great new leader.

Night guys you all that keep the faith, ROCK!

This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's

 

[Ron Swanson]

Me trying to explain the UT coaching search to my fiance

Lmao

 

[volzfanz]

Im not a major college AD or a billionare booster but after you wade thru all the crap i think u have to ask one simple question:
Who would the tide, tigers, dawgs, gators, and cocks not want us to hire? One name rings loud and clear. Gruden...period. No next choice, no plan B, no nothing. I guarantee that pants would be pissed if he came here. Instantly every recruit in every state would be open season and everyone knows it. Money makes everything possible in the business world and UT has a seemingly unlimited supply of that. As far as control goes....i would be much more comfortable giving jon gruden control than i would dave hart. Thats a no brainer. Surely the powers-that-be know these things! Make it happen.

 

[RWB427]

I've also wondered if this was also a problem with the deal, LaMonte's Browns clients are about to be cleaned out, and Haslam is the reason... Think maybe he tried to negotiate on behalf of his clients in Cleveland in all these dealings with Haslam?

I would not think Gruden would stand for that if he was really wanting the UT job...JMO

 

[warrior]

Folks, I'm not trying to discredit the OGs here. I buy that they have sources and are privy to things the average fan isn't. That being said, this deal is bigger than us, them, and likely most of their sources. Unless they're getting info from Hart, Gruden, or the Haslam camp - they're probably just as clueless in these final moments as the rest of us are.

This is the biggest move to hit the NCAA, maybe ever. If Saban to AL came as a shocker, what could this deal be? That was in 2007, before twitter blew up and social media, instant information, and online leaks were anywhere near the obvious risks they are now.

If someone who truly knows what's going on tells ANYONE, you can bet it will replicate and get out there faster than an STD during pledge week. That's why nothing, really, at this point can be trusted - especially when folks won't cite exactly what they hear or who they're hearing it from.

I'd bet fewer than 10 people truly know what's fully going on in this situation. The rest of us can, and are, just speculating. We can only take the facts (or the things that appear closest to facts) and deduce what we can from there. That being said, others and myself have painted a very believable narrative of what could be playing out right now over the last two days. And most of what I've read and buy into doesn't come from folks with inside sources - just good old fashioned rationality.

Everyone so worked up over this should do themselves a favor and look those posts up. I'm more confident than ever that Gruden is the guy. And in no way by me saying that last sentence should you be - instead, read the most likely facts and what a few of us have posted. Connect the dots, and it should hopefully ease your mind.

OldVol, an OG, said in October that this would be the biggest deal, not in terms of just compensation but everything involved, that the NCAA has ever seen.

He also said to look for it to be done, then seem to fall through at the last minute. I believe that was Gruden III as well.

 

[Escape Goat]

JG himself has not said No yet. Just his agent

The Gruden chase is over man. Been over

 

[yrock777]

Folks, I'm not trying to discredit the OGs here. I buy that they have sources and are privy to things the average fan isn't. That being said, this deal is bigger than us, them, and likely most of their sources. Unless they're getting info from Hart, Gruden, or the Haslam camp - they're probably just as clueless in these final moments as the rest of us are.

This is the biggest move to hit the NCAA, maybe ever. If Saban to AL came as a shocker, what could this deal be? That was in 2007, before twitter blew up and social media, instant information, and online leaks were anywhere near the obvious risks they are now.

If someone who truly knows what's going on tells ANYONE, you can bet it will replicate and get out there faster than an STD during pledge week. That's why nothing, really, at this point can be trusted - especially when folks won't cite exactly what they hear or who they're hearing it from.

I'd bet fewer than 10 people truly know what's fully going on in this situation. The rest of us can, and are, just speculating. We can only take the facts (or the things that appear closest to facts) and deduce what we can from there. That being said, others and myself have painted a very believable narrative of what could be playing out right now over the last two days. And most of what I've read and buy into doesn't come from folks with inside sources - just good old fashioned rationality.

Everyone so worked up over this should do themselves a favor and look those posts up. I'm more confident than ever that Gruden is the guy. And in no way by me saying that last sentence should you be - instead, read the most likely facts and what a few of us have posted. Connect the dots, and it should hopefully ease your mind.

:clapping:

 

[warrior]

I would not think Gruden would stand for that if he was really wanting the UT job...JMO

I think he would only stand for it if he knew that it would get done anyway and no one would care once he is in.

 

[Dylecho]

Yeah I agree makes sense. I'm just kind of pointing out how ridiculous this whole thing has gotten. It's out of control haha.

We are posting the intern for the Ainge show's tweet about a rumor about Jimbo Fisher. Thanks Dave Hart.

That being said

GRUDEN

Well, in a sense, he might be right. If we believe rumors, they are scheduled to meet Monday. Hart will offer, it will get publicized, FSU will give him a raise and some new facilities, he'll say "I love FSU and Tallahassee," and all will be forgotten. I still think Jimbo is using us to leverage FSU for more than $2.5 mill and some new facilities, I'm not buying Fishertaking the job. His interests are just too questionable.

Gruden.

 

[TheVolGuy]

Everyone wants to run down the OG's. For what? Passing along info that was given to them. Everyone knows...or should know, that no information comes directly from Hart. That leaves the money side. Money thought Gruden was a done deal, or so they believed. They convey, either directly or indirectly to the OG's, who pass it on. Don't you think they are disappointed too? So you got bad info? If not for them, you would have had NO info. You bashers were the ones coming in and asking for news. They gave you, what they believed, was credible information. Booster side was disappointed too, go bash them for giving out bad info...or bash Hart for not going along with them blindly...or blame yourself for not having ANY damn friends that will tell you anything and you have to rely on a message board.

 

[orangepaladin]

For those of you saying FML when Fisher gets hired...what do you think the reaction will be when Fisher turns down the UT job?

Hart will look like a damn fool.

 

[R Cannon]

Just look at the money UT will make on the movie alone!

 

[msanford52]

Im not a major college AD or a billionare booster but after you wade thru all the crap i think u have to ask one simple question:
Who would the tide, tigers, dawgs, gators, and cocks not want us to hire? One name rings loud and clear. Gruden...period. No next choice, no plan B, no nothing. I guarantee that pants would be pissed if he came here. Instantly every recruit in every state would be open season and everyone knows it. Money makes everything possible in the business world and UT has a seemingly unlimited supply of that. As far as control goes....i would be much more comfortable giving jon gruden control than i would dave hart. Thats a no brainer. Surely the powers-that-be know these things! Make it happen.

I agree. I think personally that the all of a sudden coach search that started over the past few days is a cover to hide that all was already agreed and basically done wth has hart been doing the past 2 weeks anyway. I am not an AD but he** I could put together a legitimate list in a few days if it took him 2 weeks then he wasn't doing his job. I also understand you can't start going after people when there are Champ games to be played but look at UK they had their guy quick. just sayin?????????