Official Jon Gruden Thread XLIII

[BearCat204]

Interesting 2 games coming up..back to back W. coast trips. After that, get ready for the playoffs.

The one thing I was really worried about with this team heading into this year, the secondary, has actually been one of the bright spots this year. I still want to pinch myself to make sure this is all real.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Doyle hope you are good as well. Don't be to pissed at me. Couldn't have Kenny upset.

I'm not pissed at any of you guys.
I believe you were actually relaying what you had been told. Now, whether your sources were lying or being misled, that remains to be seen.

 

[Sstterry]

hey whats up

How are you feeling Ape?

 

[10ecVol]

We are a complete mess. I know folks were up late last night. Currie supposedly will be fired. That's all I know and care to at this point. It will either sort itself out or we are ****ed.

You think we have any chance left of landing Gruden?

 

[apevol]

How are you feeling Ape?

you ever been run over by a garbage truck?

 

[BearCat204]

Who is Payton?

HoF running back

 

[Ez_Vol]

anything happen yesterday?

The biggest smokescreen you’ve ever witnessed apparently.

Soon...

 

[Christian Lowe]

Either we have just witnessed the biggest sh** show in the history of sh** shows, or Gruden announces on MNF tonite, ESPN will get paid enough to pay the next year's electric bills, Gruden will be a hero, we'll be happy and social media research data will be rich for mining for the next 20 years, or, we're fu***d

We’re ****ed. We owe Schiano money now. We’ll likely fire our AD now, and no coach on earth will want to be here. Kiffin would probably even wait it out at FAU until another job opened.

 

[revjayp]

Guys, have y’all read this? It’s very well written and I believe it needs to be circulated via every social media outlet available. It’s DG’s post and he created a thread with it but I wanted to post it here for those who haven’t seen it. It’s too important not to read it and share it.


It angers me watching the national sports media defend Greg Schiano today and try to smear the brave Tennesseeans who stood up against his hire to one of the most prominent positions in the entire state as 'dumb hillbillies.' It's a clear reminder why sexual abuse continues to happen.


Let's review the facts here:

Schiano may have been aware of Sanduky's crimes. Mike McQueary named Schiano as someone who had witnessed Jerry Sandusky's actions in the Sandusky child molestation trial. This information became public knowledge in 2016, so this is fairly recent, and a lot of people still don't know about it. It was not public knowledge at the time Schiano was hired at Ohio State.

Schiano's denial is not "proof" of innocence. Schiano denied knowledge, as did former Penn State assistant Bradley. The sports media and coaching cabal says "oh well ... Schiano is cleared." Like seriously. Sworn testimony in a court of law from a guy who had everything to lose by telling the truth is just summarily dismissed b/c football coaches (who are as bad as cops about protecting "their own") say "oh ... he's a good guy."

Schiano's "high integrity" story refuted by Tampa Bay. The problem is further exacerbated because the "Schiano is a high character guy" is directly refuted by his time in Tampa Bay, where he known as an abusive autocrat who actually spied on his players, lied constantly, rigged team captain votes, and pretty much alienated everyone within the program. Ask the guys who played under Schiano at Tampa Bay about his "high integrity." At least one player compared playing under Schiano to being in Communist Cuba. Do you think a guy like that would stand up against sexual abuse? Or do you think a petty autocrat who tries to control information might try to hide information about sexual abuse? Several NFL insiders have also said Schiano is low character / low class as it gets and hiring him would be a disaster for any program. He's even been in a heated disputes with players (including former Vol Peyton Manning) over one of his tactics which involves trying to take out the knees of unprotected players at the end of games during the "kneel-down" play. During his time in the NFL, he showed the exact opposite of integrity.

UT Message Boards Did More Through Due Diligence than Athletic Department. Tennessee Volunteer fans did more thorough due diligence on Schiano than the Tennessee Athletic Department and several other schools. The crazy thing is most of this information is readily available via Google. But phone calls to Bill Belichick and Urban Meyer and a couple of other coaches apparently nullifies any accusations ever leveled against him. Nevermind that this same "vetting process" would've said Jerry Sandusky was A-OK. The UT Vols message board and Twitter communities are very active. There's been a lot of discussion about potential coaching candidates. No candidate attracted as near universal disgust as Schiano did. This is primarily because his questionable integrity became obvious in the heated message board discussions where everyone was forced to deal with his long track record of questionable ethics. People are not willing to overlook the statement by Mike McQueary (who is viewed by the public as a much more honest and reliable witness) than Schiano (who has a long record of lying and manipulating and less than stellar integrity.)

"Guilt" is a standard for a court of law; not for major high-profile positions. We'll never know the precise facts regarding Schiano's knowledge of Sandusky's crimes, but the idea that you just make a man this with long of a track record of ethical issues the face of one of the nation's largest public universities, hand him a $5 million salary, and put him in charge of hundreds of people (including many young 18 - 23 year old men) just because Bill Belichick says "he's OK" is ludicrous. "Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt" is not the standard. "Proven integrity" should be the standard for a high-profile public position. That standard is nowhere close to being met by Schiano. Obviously, no one is perfect and many football coaches have flawed records, but there are much larger question marks about Schiano than any other candidate mentioned. You can't hire a guy simply with questionable integrity simply because his integrity hasn't been debunked in a criminal trial in a court of law.

Tennessee fans were right. I'm proud of the Tennessee fans that shut this down. We were 100% in the right. You don't make this guy one of the most powerful persons in the state of Tennessee and the face of the flagship university when you have major questions about whether he'd stand up to sexual abuse. The Art Briles scandal at Baylor happened just a few years ago, and the media is seriously trying to say we have no legitimate concerns? The hire may have very well destroyed the entire program. Contrary to the media's biased reporting, this was not a "football thing." Many of us UT fans would've been disappointed with a mediocre hire, but we still would've supported the team.

Schiano was the line in the sand. He was a mediocre hire whose integrity was very much at question. It honestly would bring tears to my eyes to know that a man who may have protected Jerry Sandusky would be wearing Tennessee orange on the sidelines and speaking as the voice of the community. A poor coach is one thing; this was quite another.


The national sports media should be ashamed for trying to demonize Tennessseans for standing up against sexual abuse. With all the stuff that has come out against Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Roy Moore, John Conyers, etc, etc, etc, you'd think a small group of Tennesseans who took a hard-line against sexual abuse would be hailed as heroes. Instead, we're being treated like 'dumb hillbillies' who 'think they deserve too much.' And then the media wonders how sexual abuse continues to happen. The allegations against Schiano have not been proven in a court of law, but that doesn't mean we should rush out and hire the guy just because Urban Meyer and Bill Belichick vouch for him. These are major question marks for a person leading young men and Schiano does not met the standards of integrity that should be expected.

 

[Paukotajs]

We are a complete mess. I know folks were up late last night. Currie supposedly will be fired. That's all I know and care to at this point. It will either sort itself out or we are ****ed.

:bow2:

 

[knucklehead_vol]

About to? Lol!

Yes. Within the AD and AA.

 

[volgr]

Don't leave yet...things about to get interesting probably.

Is it bad that I will cheer the Currie firing more than the Butch firing? I may despise Currie more than any other former "Vol", with a close second to the Haslam family.

 

[robbymoore94]

Pilot/Flying J sure do sponsor a lot of the programming Jimmy Hyams appears on. Probably just a coincidence that they do and that old Jimmy always seems to follow the Haslam line of thinking. The real problem here is clear, it is the Haslams. Point blank. They have been incredibly generous to the University, but the needs and wants of that family should not be paramount to what is actually best for the program. It is time for them and their "yes man" Athletic Director to walk away. They can do it gracefully, like adults, or Volnation/VolTwitter can escort them out the front door. They have two choices at this point.

 

[LakeMaryFLVol]

Who does Sexton not represent though?

Leach

 

[BogeyVol]

Either we have just witnessed the biggest sh** show in the history of sh** shows, or Gruden announces on MNF tonite, ESPN will get paid enough to pay the next year's electric bills, Gruden will be a hero, we'll be happy and social media research data will be rich for mining for the next 20 years, or, we're fu***d

This one. Unless there are major changes in the power structure and real decision makers. From past history, not seeing it happen. Hope I'm wrong, but...

We all want Tennessee to be recognized as the great institution we all think it is. We evidently just don't have the leadership to make it that.

Still hopeful until I'm not... Waiting to see how the fallout of this is handled. So far, not so good.

 

[Behr]

It's not that all of you guys were wrong.

It was how you reacted to ANYONE that had suspicions.

It did get carried away IMO. But, there were alot of "y'all ate smoking crack" type crap in there too.

Is what it is. You just seem butthurt now. I suggest everyone just get over it and move on.

This includes me too, BTW.

 

[Jake]

Chris Low needs to shut his mouth.

 

[Mav145]

That is a nice retrospective restatement of history. Funny that a thread with gruden in the title and the promise of his coming so fanatically defended is not just a place for all to have fun.

This thread has always been about gruden coming to UT and making the program relevant again. No need to be ashamed of that now.

All fans hope that the program will be great again.

So, the 3 people that said "Gruden or Bust!" gives you the right to paint everyone in the thread with that same broad brush? 3 out of 4-5 thousand. I'm just saying that the vast majority of people were and are here to talk TN football (and burgers, alcohol, legal issues, self-help, and many other things). It's just a message board, no more or no less. If you swallowed the hype without some skepticism, that's on you.

 

[MarkVols]

Wait....these were going to be assistants for Gruden

 

[Godfatha]

I texted friends yesterday saying I was done with UT if they hired Schiano. Every single one I talked to was in agreement.

The thing is, the ones that tried to shove that down our throat (well sneak it by us) are still there. So while they're still here, if something isn't done about them and the root cause of the problem, I'm still done.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

I'm not pissed at any of you guys.
I believe you were actually relaying what you had been told. Now, whether your sources were being truthful or being misled, that remains to be seen.

Contact me at trendlineforem

 

[DougVol]

Don't ever go as far as cheese off taco. It's only been done once before.

 

[Hubbard]

Obviously you do care what I think. You've responded twice already and now asking what I think about Gruden.

Where is the personal attack?

I don't even know how to respond to your accusation as to why Im here. I've been on both sides this whole time.

I don't think Gruden will be announced as HC today.

We have had good natured posts to each other in the past.

When I respond (to someone else) to a response to my posts, that is not trying to "stir the pot".

This may not be what you like to hear but it is not "stiring the pot".

 

[river rat]

Truly cannot believe they haven't thrown the fan base some kind of life raft...a "hang tight, we're on it, working hard, will correct this," etc. Just silence...after everything that happened yesterday, they choose to let their customers flail. This is malpractice. Utter incompetence.

It's been going on for two weeks. And a month or so before that.

The Athletic Dept. needs a refresher course:

PBRL 270 Public Relations Principles | School of Advertising & Public Relations

 

[Coastypop]

Obviously you do care what I think. You've responded twice already and now asking what I think about Gruden.

Where is the personal attack?

I don't even know how to respond to your accusation as to why Im here. I've been on both sides this whole time.

I don't think Gruden will be announced as HC today.

I am looking for a noon announcement myself or possibly 1 pm