Official Statement Confirms Detonations on 9/11

[justingroves]

This thread makes me see just how far we have fallen as a society. :no:

This thread even gives a small glimmer of hope for Pelosi and the liberals in Congress, because even they know that 9-11 wasn't an inside job.



What's wrong with my statement VIA?? I have been watching documentaries since 9-11 happened and it's because I haven't used "Google" to copy and paste some research I am obviously discredited?? You made the statement and then tried to step away from it at the end. You know as well as I do that what you said is somewhat of a cheap shot. Now I will agree with you being bullheaded and not wanting to be open-minded in this country is sometimes bad, but most of the liberal nonsense they want to expose me to is nothing I want to do with. This is one of those topics. This is a topic that even the people with the MOST contempt for Bush won't even consider because it's be debunked by people with more education than everyone in this thread put together. This is one subject we need to drop, because there are people on this board that would take offense to thinking that they are risking their lives for nothing. VK, what you need to do is learn about Muslims and their contempt for Jews and Christians. Then and only then you MIGHT be able to understand what is really going on in this world. If you think that the Muslims who are peaceful are actual practicing Muslims in their faith, then you are sorely mistaken. They want to convert you and if you don't convert when asked you either convert by the sword or die. It's obvious you don't understand the whole picture because you can't seem to take your eyes of something that is a small drop in a bucket compared to all the people who have died around the world do to terrorism attacks. While the 9-11 attacks still bother me to this day, you have to accept that it happened and move on. There is nothing that can be done to bring those people back, EVER. The only thing we can do is pray and hope that it never happens again, although I believe it will. I know that USAF_Vol is doing what he can to protect this country and I am ever in his debt for that.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but you really need to take a religious history class. Islam is not a war mongering religion, unless taken overboard by extremists. It just so happens the assholes of the religion gets all the face time.

I'm not meaning this as an insult or anything like that. Just look at it with an open mind and don't immediately think that it's terrible. You might come out with a different point of view and you might not.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but you really need to take a religious history class. Islam is not a war mongering religion, unless taken overboard by extremists. It just so happens the assholes of the religion gets all the face time.

I'm not meaning this as an insult or anything like that. Just look at it with an open mind and don't immediately think that it's terrible. You might come out with a different point of view and you might not.

There are several passages in the Koran that show just how brutal or war mongering Islam can be. Let me put it to you like this, Christians chose themselves what part of the Bible to follow and what parts not to. Same with Islam, you have the peaceful ones and you have the war mongering ones and according to the Koran the war makers and more holy according to what is written in there. I will do a copy and paste that is directly from the Koran and let people make up their own minds....

KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame.

These are just some of the passages that are in the Koran that I pulled from a website...

Untitled Document

You may choose to believe whatever you want to, but Muslims want to KILL us and they want to KILL the Jews even more. I have my heart set and God tells me to be wary of people that try and get me to believe Islam is a religion of peace because to believe that might just very well get me killed.

 

[justingroves]

There are several passages in the Koran that show just how brutal or war mongering Islam can be. Let me put it to you like this, Christians chose themselves what part of the Bible to follow and what parts not to. Same with Islam, you have the peaceful ones and you have the war mongering ones and according to the Koran the war makers and more holy according to what is written in there. I will do a copy and paste that is directly from the Koran and let people make up their own minds....

KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame.

These are just some of the passages that are in the Koran that I pulled from a website...

Untitled Document

You may choose to believe whatever you want to, but Muslims want to KILL us and they want to KILL the Jews even more. I have my heart set and God tells me to be wary of people that try and get me to believe Islam is a religion of peace because to believe that might just very well get me killed.

:thumbsup: Alright. Believe what you want.

Just to clarify, I'm chuch of Christ. I'm not Muslim.

 

[GAVol]

:thumbsup: Alright. Believe what you want.

Just to clarify, I'm chuch of Christ. I'm not Muslim.

My whole family is Church of Christ. I don't think they really mind the Muslims as long as they don't put on any music and try to dance.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

:thumbsup: Alright. Believe what you want.

Just to clarify, I'm chuch of Christ. I'm not Muslim.

I'm don't claim a denomination basically I believe that man has divided the church and want to be a Christian first a foremost before a Baptist, CoC, or Methodist. I KNOW you aren't Muslim BTW, ROFL lol:. I just hope you understand they don't want to make peace with us, they want to convert us by one way or another. In Christianity you have freedom of choice, when presented with Islam though you have two options depending on who is standing in front of you. Islam is not a religion I care to know much about because it doesn't effect my salvation. I have had many conversations with one of my Muslim friends who is in Iran right now with his mother and we both understand we can get along as people, but our religious views are TOTALLY different. He's a peaceful Muslim. Stop and think for a second Justin, why are the majority of the peaceful Muslims coming to the US?? The answer is simple, they are persecuted for being peaceful because according to the Koran they should not make friends with Jew or Christians. Over here they are making friends with us, for what reason I am sure we are going to find out just around the corner in the next 20-40 years. :good!:

 

[justingroves]

My whole family is Church of Christ. I don't think they really mind the Muslims as long as they don't put on any music and try to dance.

lol:

 

[justingroves]

I'm don't claim a denomination basically I believe that man has divided the church and want to be a Christian first a foremost before a Baptist, CoC, or Methodist. I KNOW you aren't Muslim BTW, ROFL lol:. I just hope you understand they don't want to make peace with us, they want to convert us by one way or another. In Christianity you have freedom of choice, when presented with Islam though you have two options depending on who is standing in front of you. Islam is not a religion I care to know much about because it doesn't effect my salvation. I have had many conversations with one of my Muslim friends who is in Iran right now with his mother and we both understand we can get along as people, but our religious views are TOTALLY different. He's a peaceful Muslim. Stop and think for a second Justin, why are the majority of the peaceful Muslims coming to the US?? The answer is simple, they are persecuted for being peaceful because according to the Koran they should not make friends with Jew or Christians. Over here they are making friends with us, for what reason I am sure we are going to find out just around the corner in the next 20-40 years. :good!:

exactly, there are peaceful muslims. That's all I was saying. You seemed to be painting them with a broad brush though. But to each his own eace2:

 

[Lexvol]

My whole family is Church of Christ. I don't think they really mind the Muslims as long as they don't put on any music and try to dance.

lol:lol:lol: GA, this is an instant classic.

 

[vader]

My whole family is Church of Christ. I don't think they really mind the Muslims as long as they don't put on any music and try to dance.

:rofl:

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

exactly, there are peaceful muslims. That's all I was saying. You seemed to be painting them with a broad brush though. But to each his own eace2:

I was just pointing out that Islam is not a religion of peace, there are just peaceful Muslims. :good!:

 

[GAVol]

Every religion has it's nutjobs.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Every religion has it's nutjobs.

I'm Christian and I think that we have it tougher than the Muslim's right now, and that's in this country to boot.

 

[U-T]

My whole family is Church of Christ. I don't think they really mind the Muslims as long as they don't put on any music and try to dance.

 

[VolinArizona]

The idea that the Muslim religion is a religion of peace is a myth that the media loves to help.

 

[WA_Vol]

My whole family is Church of Christ. I don't think they really mind the Muslims as long as they don't put on any music and try to dance.

My family is too. I guess we are the only 2 people on this board who are going to heaven.

 

[shastacles]

I'm Christian and I think that we have it tougher than the Muslim's right now, and that's in this country to boot.

If by tougher you mean, "under more persecution/animosity/etc." I agree with you, and its only going to get worse for christians, no matter who wins.

 

[utvolpj]

I'm Christian and I think that we have it tougher than the Muslim's right now, and that's in this country to boot.

Then you're not really thinking clearly. How anyone can say Christians have it tough in the US is beyond me.

Are you saying they should not have a right to practice their chosen religion in the US without fear of persecution?

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

The argument that Osama's life got worse, so obviously he had nothing to do with it is patently absurd. This is the guy that left a life of luxury to go join the Afghan fight against the Soviets. Clearly this wasn't the first time that fanatical beliefs led him to something that deceresased his standard of living.

There was no argument about that. Considering his health at the time, Osama’s life did get considerably worse, unless we are to assume he had his own private doctors traveling with him at all times. The argument was: 1) Osama did not benefit from the attacks. That doesn't imply that he had nothing to do with the attacks. By the way, considering all the previous incidents Osama was apart of, how can you say that his standard of living decreased when he received medical treatment in the U.S. just before 911? 2) There is no hard evidence which asserts that Osama was directly linked to the 9/11. If there was evidence, it surely wasn’t presented. Remember, the Taliban agree’d to hand him over to the U.S. if hard evidence linking him to 911 was found. I still stand by my statement that Osama (Bin Dead) gained nothing from the 911. It’s also note worthy that Osama was a CIA asset and was given the alias of Tim Osman. I’m sure everyone here was already aware of that, though.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

It was kept under wraps in the planning stage - not after the event. Also, the times (in terms of communications and more importantly, investigative journalism) were much different.

Perhaps the Indonesian war of the 50’s is suffice to your definition of a large-scale “behind the curtain” operation. The government has a frightening resume of performing detrimental experimentations on U.S. citizens, as you know. The experimentations range widely from the injection of cancer cells in human patients, exposure to radiation, mind control, to infection of malaria and syphilis on nonconsenting citizens. That’s really just the tip of the iceberg in regards to what they’ve done, too.

The point I’m trying to make is that this government is not only capable of running wrongful “behind the curtain” operations to further their own agenda, but they are fully willing to proceed on through, regardless of how inhumane the operation is. The fact that our government has covertly experimented on U.S. citizens in such dastardly fashion should be more than enough for you all to (WAKE UP and) question the official account of what happened on 911.

Simply looking at the number of people on site and staffers compiling info for reports.

Fill me in, would ya? I’m still searching for that 1,000+ count with the “direct knowledge” you cited earlier. I’m aware that the 911 Commission had 80 staffers, but what do you know about the others? I think it’s safe to assume that you know these “staffers” had little access to the evidence and had minute “direct knowledge”, right? Of the 911 Commission (10 members), some members of the staff would agree that they were more than limited (in regards to a proper investigation), but were actually “set up to fail” from the lack of funding. I’m sure you’re aware of the other member discrepancies, too. But for anyone who doesn’t, the discrepancies include: Zelikow’s control over the investigation, confirmation that they (911 Commission) were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority (another one of those conspiracy theorist!); and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges (from my previous post). You would also learn if you looked deeper into the 911 Commission that Philip Zelikow, a Bush admin. appointee, was essentially, the “decider” in regards to what needed to be / was to be investigated. Also, can you elaborate on who you mean by “people on site”?

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Here's some - although I'm sure you'll discredit them as well.

Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage

Debunk 9/11 Myths

You'll notice that "facts" presented in your list (e.g. can't make cell phone calls, hijackers still alive) are not facts at all.

You may not understand what is being said when they say “hi-jackers are still alive”. Many of the hi-jackers have been identified by their stolen identities. So when one says, “they are still alive”, that is in reference to the stolen identities which are still being used by the media and the FBI today. The men with the stolen identities are still alive, hence why the statement “hi-jackers are still alive” arises. CNN has reported that the men who hijacked the aircrafts were using phony ID’s. After you’ve understood that phony ID’s were used by the hi-jackers, you can safely assume that we do not know who they were or who they worked for.

I have to call you out on your claim about the cell phones. Project Achilles legitimately disproves the claim. Take a look for yourself: Dewdney: Project Achilles - Physics911

I’ve skimmed through a few pieces on debunking911 and was not pleased. The Zogby Poll and the Osama pieces were poorly written. I’ll still continue to look through the sites, though, I wish you would personally rebut my claims. I only say that since, as you know, if I presented a website that coincides with my personal skepticism about the official account of 9/11, it would immediately be considered a “kook”, “fringe”, or an “illegitimate” website.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

This thread makes me see just how far we have fallen as a society. :no:

This thread even gives a small glimmer of hope for Pelosi and the liberals in Congress, because even they know that 9-11 wasn't an inside job.

The dissenters of the official account are not on the level of some liberals in Congress, I can tell you that much. No “conspiracy theorist” is even in the same ball park as Pelosi. This is the same pro-torture Pelosi who has been protecting the Bush regime by asserting that “impeachment is off the table”. This also the same Pelosi that verbally attacked the Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki for not supporting Israel’s destruction of Lebanon. Newsflash: Liberal’s like Pelosi and Dean are not sided with the general American conscious on many important issues. 911 still happens to be one of those critical, important issues, considering the millions who believe that our government not only had foreknowledge, but was also complicit. Many Americans want an independent investigation into 911, as they (a large percentage of family members want this, too) are not happy with the mass deception and all the unanswered questions surrounding the status quo. 911 was the most pivotal event in recent history and has catapulted us into the biggest financial ditch this country has ever faced. Yet even after all these peculiar “coincidences”, I’ve been told to accept the official account, despite being shrouded with the deceitful, thwarted behavior which the administration shows to anyone who speaks up. It doesn’t matter if you’re a family member and you have legitimate questions/concern. You won’t receive answers.

VK, what you need to do is learn about Muslims and their contempt for Jews and Christians. Then and only then you MIGHT be able to understand what is really going on in this world. If you think that the Muslims who are peaceful are actual practicing Muslims in their faith, then you are sorely mistaken. They want to convert you and if you don't convert when asked you either convert by the sword or die. It's obvious you don't understand the whole picture because you can't seem to take your eyes of something that is a small drop in a bucket compared to all the people who have died around the world do to terrorism attacks. While the 9-11 attacks still bother me to this day, you have to accept that it happened and move on. There is nothing that can be done to bring those people back, EVER. The only thing we can do is pray and hope that it never happens again, although I believe it will. I know that USAF_Vol is doing what he can to protect this country and I am ever in his debt for that.

Muslims’ hatred for people of different religions/race is pertinent if: 1) we undoubtedly know who all the hi-jackers were (which we don’t), 2) we accept the assumption that the hi-jackers were “fanatical Islamic fundamentalists” as true. Based solely on the accounts of what they were doing days before, one can assume that the hi-jackers were not respectfully staunch to their religion which they supposedly died for. Just so I know, g8ter, would you mind telling me how you came to the assumption that I (“obviously”) cannot view the “whole picture because I can’t seem to take my eyes of something that is a small drop in a bucket compared to…-“? And yes, g8ter, I do accept that the 911 attacks happened. I’m not in a delusional state of denial, as you would like to believe. I just do not submit to the official account of what happened that day.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

How about you go ask the Kurd's that Hussein gased to death and executed just how great their life was before 9-11. They suffered greater losses than the all the countries involved in 9-11 50 TIMES over. He killed over 100,000 Kurds in his reign in Iraq and ever some experts think those numbers are low.

Saddam was a monster. We already know that. But to say the Kurds suffered greater losses than all the countries that are somehow involved in 911 is an erroneous claim, don't you think? 911 launched us into war with Afghanistan and later Iraq. The loss of life is those two countries is greater than that of the Kurds. Just so we're clear, I'm only trying to correct you, not marginalize the genocide/destruction caused by Saddam.

Note: the original claim was that Saddam did not benefit from 911.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Maybe this is just plain silly, but if the plan was so great why in the world would the planners of 9/11, in their infinite wisdom, not be able to stop a leaked tell all paper on google?

Am I grasping for straws with this one???

Any one?

That would be a nigh impossible feat with the current internet regulations.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Uhm, did you not see on the TV right after 9-11 where Osama came out and took credit for the WTC. and some of the muslims countrys where happy as could be in the streets burning OUR FLAG?????????????? And screaming death to America? Is that not hard enough evidence for you?

Does this man look like Osama to you?

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

1.) You hate the military

2.) You hate capitalism

:yes:

That sums it up.

:stinker2: