Official Statement Confirms Detonations on 9/11

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Volunteer_Kirby said:
And I'm sorry, but I just cannot view the financial gain as relevant. That's taking a massive and absurd leap by trying to relate the two. I saw how you came to that stance, but can you at least understand why I find it appalling to relate the two together?
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Do not ever under-estimate what the Dick Cheney's and Karl Rove's and Goldman Sach's of the world might be willing to do to further their profits.
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So I read thru this thread because I've had a very long day and needed a smile. Why is there 1 on every board I post on?
 
#102
#102
You know, why not go for the jugular?

The world's largest supply of VX nerve gas is in Richmond, Kentucky.

Why not release the gas in Lexington and Louisville, Kentucky and Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, and Arkon, Canton and Cleveland, Ohio?

Each city being less than one hundred miles apart?

Why choose Ohio?

Because Ohio is the emergency shelter for the East Coast. If something happens every one would be transported to Ohio for help.

Why not knock out Kentucky and Ohio?

Blame Muslim terrorists and then shoot for Totalitarian control?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Can't we just accept the fact that 9-11 wasn't an inside job and move on,
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Even though I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, it's thoughts like the quoted above that are one of the main problems with this country. You haven't done a shred of research on the topic, and no matter what you say, I already know.
 
#104
#104
Honestly, I'm shocked so many people aren't interested in going the entire mile on this research. There ARE a ton of weird facts/coincidences in this situation. At least put the time in before you dismiss it. I don't believe it was an inside job, but I do find it interesting that on September 11th, George H.W. Bush was scheduled to speak for the Carlyle Group, which was an investment group that included Osama Bid Laden's brother.

I mean, c'mon.
 
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VolinArizona said:
Honestly, I'm shocked so many people aren't interested in going the entire mile on this research.
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Discounting a kook theory does not equate to laziness anymore than frequenting a fringe website and knowing how to cut and paste equates to being a deep thinker.
 
#107
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I mean since a Boeing plane wasn't used in the attack, it had to have been an inside job.

Duh.
 
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VolinArizona said:
Even though I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, it's thoughts like the quoted above that are one of the main problems with this country. You haven't done a shred of research on the topic, and no matter what you say, I already know.
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A simple search shows that most of the "evidence" posted by VK has been debunked easily.
 
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volinbham said:
Let me simplify this - you appear to discredit anyone currently employed by this govt. Apparently they don't "fess-up" to the truth due to blind loyalty.

Baer used to be employed by the govt. By your logic, any claims he made during that time were not to be trusted. Now that he is not with the government, he becomes magically credible.

In short, I discount Baer for the simple reason that he has no direct knowledge of the situation. I've seen no evidence he has investigated the situation. He may honestly believe it's an inside job or merely question the accuracy of the the official story. In either case, you've provided no convincing evidence that he is an authority on the issue.
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You mis-interpreted that phrase, bham. Read it again. I did not imply that any person who works for the government is discredited because they do not "fess up". I clearly state "do not underestimate the power of blind mis-placed loyalty". Take this war as an example. The people who fabricated evidence and presented dis-information to drag us into war and cause the death of thousands should be jailed or at least receive major consequences. Do you agree? We see nothing happening to change this either. This mis-placed loyalty is still in affect today, whether you're seeing it or not. The Bush regime continues to broaden it's control and further it's own agenda by invading Iraq. That is the Bush administrations agenda, not the country's. Do you believe the government is "overlooking its more sacred duty to the Constitution" by keeping our men in Iraq and not bringing up the important questions which are pertinent to the crimes or fabrication? I sure do.

Also, keep this response in mind when a question like "why wouldn't someone come forward" arises: It's for the same reason they usually do not in the first place. They simply do not to come forward more often than "fessing up". We did not know about nerve gas testing on Americans, several attempted assassinations, secret invasions, etc. until far after the fact. So, if anything, someone coming out would be the exception to the rule. Anyone who believes the government could not keep important secrets under wrap should take a look at the Manhattan Project, for one.


In contrast, there are 100s (at least) of people with direct knowledge but not one is supporting your theory. Not one is providing direct evidence of the conspiracy. You dismiss them all as being tools - ignoring all the while that many of them are every bit as fine a person as Baer. My point is that by your definition, Baer too had to be a tool but now he is miraculously not a tool and should be believed 100% eventhough he hasn't conducted any investigation that I can see.
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Do you have a source on the number of people with direct knowledge (you stated 1000's earlier)? I believe the investigation squads had low numbers of committee members, so they're not a major contibutor to this number even with their limited direct knowledge. I know the 9-11 Commission only had 10 members. It's worthy of mentioning that even the chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation (The Lewinsky-Clinton investigation received so much more than the 9/11 Commission that it's just peculiar). They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Can't we just accept the fact that 9-11 wasn't an inside job and move on, or do we have to allow more CRAP to be posted about how it has been proven it was according to some nutcase media outlets that all of a sudden warrant reading opposed to the mainstream. Even the crackheads in the Major networks aren't this stupid. The other guys must be on some REALLY HARD DRUGS. VK, obviously you are smart and I think a smart person would let this go now and let it die. You have already tried to prove your point in a thread about 6 months ago and it died just like this one will. Look, you believe it that's great. The rest of us DON'T, do don't try and convince us when we know better. Call us ignorant, call us stupid, but when you finally grow up alittle and realize that you don't have to be right about everything your life will be much easier. Sorry VK, but this case is closed. Move on to the next black helicopter conspiracy and let this go. BTW, if you want a REAL conspiracy look at Global Warming. TennTradition in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ....
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No. Sorry, but I'm not reading any further into your response that the first line because you spew the same crap over and over. But just for you're sake, you should know that I am keeping a watch on those pesky black helicopters! *wraps head in tin foil*
 
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VolinArizona said:
Honestly, I'm shocked so many people aren't interested in going the entire mile on this research. There ARE a ton of weird facts/coincidences in this situation. At least put the time in before you dismiss it. I don't believe it was an inside job, but I do find it interesting that on September 11th, George H.W. Bush was scheduled to speak for the Carlyle Group, which was an investment group that included Osama Bid Laden's brother.

I mean, c'mon.
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The ever reliable 9/11 Commission and Popular Mechanics "experts" have duped more than you would think. Who needs to look into things when you can just fall back on their work?
 
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myrobbins7 said:
VK, Why would Bush and Govt. want to kill 1000's of folks in the WTC.?
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Let me look into my crystal ball.

I do not know that I can find an answer that would prove satisfactory to your liking.

But I insist you take a look at who is being blamed and who is pointing the finger, though. Let's first take a look at the one's which were supposedly involved in the attacks. Did Osama bin Laden benefit? No. Not one bit. By the way, there is no hard evidence that Osama was even linked to the 9/11 attacks. He claimed just days after the attack that he did not have anything to do with it. I personally think Osama is dead. Saddam Hussein? Nope. Al Qaeda? Nothing apparent was gained. What is apparent, though, is the lives of Osama, Al Qaeda, and Hussein's got incredibly worse after the 9/11 attacks. Now the one's who gained from 9/11. Larry Silverstein became the 99 yr leaseholder of the WTC complex just a few weeks before the attacks. Silverstein was to remove the dangerous asbestos fire coating, which was estimated to cost upwards of 1bill. It should also be noted that when he took over, he re-worked the insurance policy to specifically cover "terrorist attacks". Silverstein received 7bill after the collapses from his insurers. Keep in mind 15mil was his original investment. Silverstein received absurd amounts of benefits. Dick Cheney still receives profit from Halliburton. Cheney was once the CEO of Halliburton. Oil companies greatly benefited and you all know how closely related members of the Bush admin. are with oil companies. The government's "New World Order" agenda was furthered, too. Patriot Act and other bills allow the government to spy on it's citizens, thus granted further control. PNAC members benefited. These are the same one's who stated America would need a "New Pearl Harbor", remember them now? 9/11 was that new Pearl Harbor. The arms manufacturers all receive major profit from war, but that should go without saying.
 
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#116
The argument that Osama's life got worse, so obviously he had nothing to do with it is patently absurd. This is the guy that left a life of luxury to go join the Afghan fight against the Soviets. Clearly this wasn't the first time that fanatical beliefs led him to something that deceresased his standard of living.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Anyone who believes the government could not keep important secrets under wrap should take a look at the Manhattan Project, for one.
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It was kept under wraps in the planning stage - not after the event. Also, the times (in terms of communications and more importantly, investigative journalism) were much different.


Do you have a source on the number of people with direct knowledge (you stated 1000's earlier)?
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Simply looking at the number of people on site and staffers compiling info for reports.
 
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#120
#120
This thread makes me see just how far we have fallen as a society. :no:

This thread even gives a small glimmer of hope for Pelosi and the liberals in Congress, because even they know that 9-11 wasn't an inside job.

VolinArizona said:
Even though I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, it's thoughts like the quoted above that are one of the main problems with this country. You haven't done a shred of research on the topic, and no matter what you say, I already know.
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What's wrong with my statement VIA?? I have been watching documentaries since 9-11 happened and it's because I haven't used "Google" to copy and paste some research I am obviously discredited?? You made the statement and then tried to step away from it at the end. You know as well as I do that what you said is somewhat of a cheap shot. Now I will agree with you being bullheaded and not wanting to be open-minded in this country is sometimes bad, but most of the liberal nonsense they want to expose me to is nothing I want to do with. This is one of those topics. This is a topic that even the people with the MOST contempt for Bush won't even consider because it's be debunked by people with more education than everyone in this thread put together. This is one subject we need to drop, because there are people on this board that would take offense to thinking that they are risking their lives for nothing. VK, what you need to do is learn about Muslims and their contempt for Jews and Christians. Then and only then you MIGHT be able to understand what is really going on in this world. If you think that the Muslims who are peaceful are actual practicing Muslims in their faith, then you are sorely mistaken. They want to convert you and if you don't convert when asked you either convert by the sword or die. It's obvious you don't understand the whole picture because you can't seem to take your eyes of something that is a small drop in a bucket compared to all the people who have died around the world do to terrorism attacks. While the 9-11 attacks still bother me to this day, you have to accept that it happened and move on. There is nothing that can be done to bring those people back, EVER. The only thing we can do is pray and hope that it never happens again, although I believe it will. I know that USAF_Vol is doing what he can to protect this country and I am ever in his debt for that.
 
#121
#121
Volunteer_Kirby said:
Hussein's got incredibly worse after the 9/11 attacks.
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How about you go ask the Kurd's that Hussein gased to death and executed just how great their life was before 9-11. They suffered greater losses than the all the countries involved in 9-11 50 TIMES over. He killed over 100,000 Kurds in his reign in Iraq and ever some experts think those numbers are low.
 
#122
#122
Maybe this is just plain silly, but if the plan was so great why in the world would the planners of 9/11, in their infinite wisdom, not be able to stop a leaked tell all paper on google?

Am I grasping for straws with this one???

Any one?
 
#123
#123
Volunteer_Kirby said:
Let me look into my crystal ball.

I do not know that I can find an answer that would prove satisfactory to your liking.

But I insist you take a look at who is being blamed and who is pointing the finger, though. Let's first take a look at the one's which were supposedly involved in the attacks. Did Osama bin Laden benefit? No. Not one bit. By the way, there is no hard evidence that Osama was even linked to the 9/11 attacks. He claimed just days after the attack that he did not have anything to do with it. I personally think Osama is dead. Saddam Hussein? Nope. Al Qaeda? Nothing apparent was gained. What is apparent, though, is the lives of Osama, Al Qaeda, and Hussein's got incredibly worse after the 9/11 attacks. Now the one's who gained from 9/11. Larry Silverstein became the 99 yr leaseholder of the WTC complex just a few weeks before the attacks. Silverstein was to remove the dangerous asbestos fire coating, which was estimated to cost upwards of 1bill. It should also be noted that when he took over, he re-worked the insurance policy to specifically cover "terrorist attacks". Silverstein received 7bill after the collapses from his insurers. Keep in mind 15mil was his original investment. Silverstein received absurd amounts of benefits. Dick Cheney still receives profit from Halliburton. Cheney was once the CEO of Halliburton. Oil companies greatly benefited and you all know how closely related members of the Bush admin. are with oil companies. The government's "New World Order" agenda was furthered, too. Patriot Act and other bills allow the government to spy on it's citizens, thus granted further control. PNAC members benefited. These are the same one's who stated America would need a "New Pearl Harbor", remember them now? 9/11 was that new Pearl Harbor. The arms manufacturers all receive major profit from war, but that should go without saying.
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Uhm, did you not see on the TV right after 9-11 where Osama came out and took credit for the WTC. and some of the muslims countrys where happy as could be in the streets burning OUR FLAG?????????????? And screaming death to America? Is that not hard enough evidence for you?
 
#124
#124
Volunteer_Kirby said:
Let me look into my crystal ball.

I do not know that I can find an answer that would prove satisfactory to your liking.

But I insist you take a look at who is being blamed and who is pointing the finger, though. Let's first take a look at the one's which were supposedly involved in the attacks. Did Osama bin Laden benefit? No. Not one bit. By the way, there is no hard evidence that Osama was even linked to the 9/11 attacks. He claimed just days after the attack that he did not have anything to do with it. I personally think Osama is dead. Saddam Hussein? Nope. Al Qaeda? Nothing apparent was gained. What is apparent, though, is the lives of Osama, Al Qaeda, and Hussein's got incredibly worse after the 9/11 attacks. Now the one's who gained from 9/11. Larry Silverstein became the 99 yr leaseholder of the WTC complex just a few weeks before the attacks. Silverstein was to remove the dangerous asbestos fire coating, which was estimated to cost upwards of 1bill. It should also be noted that when he took over, he re-worked the insurance policy to specifically cover "terrorist attacks". Silverstein received 7bill after the collapses from his insurers. Keep in mind 15mil was his original investment. Silverstein received absurd amounts of benefits. Dick Cheney still receives profit from Halliburton. Cheney was once the CEO of Halliburton. Oil companies greatly benefited and you all know how closely related members of the Bush admin. are with oil companies. The government's "New World Order" agenda was furthered, too. Patriot Act and other bills allow the government to spy on it's citizens, thus granted further control. PNAC members benefited. These are the same one's who stated America would need a "New Pearl Harbor", remember them now? 9/11 was that new Pearl Harbor. The arms manufacturers all receive major profit from war, but that should go without saying.
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1.) You hate the military

2.) You hate capitalism

:yes:

That sums it up.
 
#125
#125
There is an axiom in my sig line below that "the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits."

The subject of this thread proves it.

ANYBODY that buys into the "9/11 was an conspiracy by the government to (insert nefarious plot of your choice)" line of hogwash will improve the median IQ of this country by 20 points upon their demise.

Das ist alles.
 
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