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bleedingTNorange said:
I was waiting to hear something....

You were the one saying they get an at large earlier today haha

Hopefully you're right and they're out though.
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I didn't expect them to lose tonight. If they made their champ game and lost, they would get at large consideration. Losing this early is death for their chances
 
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Oh hey, South Florida lost by 23 to VCU, who Drexel beat during the regular season. But no, let's get some more 12/13 loss teams into the tournament!
 
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golfballs03 said:
I didn't expect them to lose tonight. If they made their champ game and lost, they would get at large consideration. Losing this early is death for their chances
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Ok gotcha. That makes sense.

Iona is a RPI 40!!! That's pretty impressive.
Oral Roberts...51
MTSU...59
Drexel...68
 
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The committee is trying to use RPI less and less (which is a good thing, because it's a very flawed statistic. Seriously, Southern Miss in the top 20?) and sites like KenPom more.
 
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govols120 said:
Oh hey, South Florida lost by 23 to VCU, who Drexel beat during the regular season. But no, let's get some more 12/13 loss teams into the tournament!
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You didn't answer my question.

How many wins do those teams have vs top 50???

Do you really think miss st and south Florida would have that many losses if they played in the little sister of the blind leagues like Iona o MTSU
 
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I'm not here to get into an argument. But tell me this: who would you rather see in the NCAA Tournament? A 13-loss power conference team that you pretty much know what you're getting from or a 5 or 6 loss mid-major squad that has a much higher upside?
 
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govols120 said:
I'm not here to get into an argument. But tell me this: who would you rather see in the NCAA Tournament? A 13-loss power conference team that you pretty much know what you're getting from or a 5 or 6 loss mid-major squad that has a much higher upside?
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IMO the big conference team. They play in the big leagues and what they have done is more impressive.

If Iona or mtsu don't want to get passed up for at large bids, then join a big boy conference or schedule a better OOC.

Not fair to punish miss st or usf for playing in a good conference. Much the same as BCS.

Would you have rather seen Houston and Lsu if Houston had gone undefeated???
 
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#285
Because scheduling is as easy as snapping your fingers and saying "hey, Syracuse, let's play on Friday, baby."
 
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I have Drexel right behind Tennessee right now, moving the Vols to 2nd team out. Still have Iona in, and the VCU win definitely helped them.

I also think that if Cal wins the Pac-12 tourney, it's a one bid league with Washington dropping out of my bracket and opening up another at large spot.

Seton Hall, Northwestern, Texas, and Xavier are right at the edge, and I think 1 or 2 probably do not get the wins they need to get them over the hump. Drexel definitely has an opportunity to sneak in.
 
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Dexel's resume isn't strong enough. Aside from their 1 win vs VCU, what other tournament teams have they beaten?

None

And if the committee looks at Ken pom, Tennessee will likely finish above Iona and possibly Drexel
 
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govols120 said:
Because scheduling is as easy as snapping your fingers and saying "hey, Syracuse, let's play on Friday, baby."
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Memphis plays a great OOC.

There are ways to play better teams than what they played this year.

As I said, if you don't want to be overlooked join a big boy conference.

Same as BCS. As I said though, you probably thought Houston should have played LSU, right? Same concept
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
IMO the big conference team. They play in the big leagues and what they have done is more impressive.

If Iona or mtsu don't want to get passed up for at large bids, then join a big boy conference or schedule a better OOC.

Not fair to punish miss st or usf for playing in a good conference. Much the same as BCS.

Would you have rather seen Houston and Lsu if Houston had gone undefeated???
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I don't think any big conference team has been punished for playing in a good conference. The argument against a team like Northwestern is "because they play in a good conference, they got 11 opportunities against top 50 opponents." They won exactly one of those. Why should going 1-10 against the top 50 mean the same as going 1-1 against the top 50 like Drexel.
 
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Cro said:
I have Drexel right behind Tennessee right now, moving the Vols to 2nd team out. Still have Iona in, and the VCU win definitely helped them.

I also think that if Cal wins the Pac-12 tourney, it's a one bid league with Washington dropping out of my bracket and opening up another at large spot.

Seton Hall, Northwestern, Texas, and Xavier are right at the edge, and I think 1 or 2 probably do not get the wins they need to get them over the hump. Drexel definitely has an opportunity to sneak in.
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Drexel in? Not a chance. SoS 225. Had to win.
 
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Memphis has the money, pull, and name recognition to play anyone anywhere. You're not able to do that if you're Iona or Drexel.

And why do you keep pulling Houston and LSU into this? It was obvious Houston wasn't at the level of LSU/Alabama/OKST/etc. It's not obvious in this sport.
 
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Cro said:
I don't think any big conference team has been punished for playing in a good conference. The argument against a team like Northwestern is "because they play in a good conference, they got 11 opportunities against top 50 opponents. They won exactly one of those. Why should going 1-10 against the top 50 mean the same as going 1-1 against the top 50 like Drexel.
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I'm fine with northwestern not being in.

But usf and miss st at this point are deserving IMO.
 
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Cro said:
I have Drexel right behind Tennessee right now, moving the Vols to 2nd team out. Still have Iona in, and the VCU win definitely helped them.

I also think that if Cal wins the Pac-12 tourney, it's a one bid league with Washington dropping out of my bracket and opening up another at large spot.

Seton Hall, Northwestern, Texas, and Xavier are right at the edge, and I think 1 or 2 probably do not get the wins they need to get them over the hump. Drexel definitely has an opportunity to sneak in.
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That was the conference championship so VCU is in. No way Drexel gets in before us, they have 0 wins over top 50 RIP and their SOS is in the 200's. Well I shouldn't say no way, crazier things have happened.
 
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govols120 said:
Memphis has the money, pull, and name recognition to play anyone anywhere. You're not able to do that if you're Iona or Drexel.

And why do you keep pulling Houston and LSU into this? It was obvious Houston wasn't at the level of LSU/Alabama/OKST/etc. It's not obvious in this sport.
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How was it obvious they didn't play those teams?

Colorado state played a decent schedule.

You can find ways to do it, but many teams don't. I'm not saying top 20, but top 100 really isn't that difficult.

Hell if Evansville can finish top 80 SOS there's no excuse.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm fine with northwestern not being in.

But usf and miss st at this point are deserving IMO.
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Again, not here to argue; I just don't want to write this paper I haven't started on and I enjoy talking about basketball. But what has USF done to warrant a bid other than consistently losing to Top 25 teams? Also, MSU has been awful for the last month.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm fine with northwestern not being in.

But usf and miss st at this point are deserving IMO.
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South Florida and Drexel both have 3 sub 100 losses. South Florida lost to Old Dominion who Drexel beat twice. South Florida is 1-9 against the top 50. Drexel is 1-1. South Florida has, as of right now, the lowest RPI loss of the two.

Just throwing a couple counter arguments out there.
 
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govols120 said:
Again, not here to argue; I just don't want to write this paper I haven't started on and I enjoy talking about basketball. But what has USF done to warrant a bid other than consistently losing to Top 25 teams? Also, MSU has been awful for the last month.
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USF #23 sos the teams your referring to +150 SOS

12-6 in big east...those teams don't go 12-6 in the BE

most likely gonna finish with 20+ wins, that's much more impressive than the 25 Iona has with a 160 SOS

Miss st may have played poorly the last month but little weight s put on that. It's the whole body of work.

They are a 21+ win team in the #4 bball conference. As I said before 21+ wins with a good SOS is much better than 25 wins with the Iona +160 SOS

Mississippi state has beaten 3/4 NCAA tournament teams. How many has Iona or mtsu beaten?
 
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Cro said:
South Florida and Drexel both have 3 sub 100 losses. South Florida lost to Old Dominion who Drexel beat twice. South Florida is 1-9 against the top 50. Drexel is 1-1. South Florida has, as of right now, the lowest RPI loss of the two.

Just throwing a couple counter arguments out there.
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But their SOS is not even comparable to Drexel

Their rpi is much better

12-6 in big east is very impressive

20+ wins with that SOS is impressive as well

USF has beaten 3 NCAA teams, how many has drexel beaten?
 
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