Ohio State in More Trouble (merged)

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#301
JT is busted. It's just a matter of time. Funny how your entire career can be turned upside down over some knucklehead kids.
 
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Tressel brought all those notes to the podium, didn't refer to them except in his opening statement, then proceeded to try and bullshart people into believing he was trying to protect the very players that got him in trouble in the first place. The AD might end up like Hamilton, saying he is still my coach, and possibly both might be in the unemployment line. Other than the lying, these the UT and osu cases are NOT similar at all. Even if they were, the 'AA will not handle them nearly the same. UT has public opinion going against it from the way the media has handled the Kiffen and Pearl fiasco. osu is their fair-haired child. Anyone can see that after all the rules they have broken and walked away from scot free. And what is with theVandy/osu connection? Gee and women's BB coach?
 
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golfballs03 said:
People here in Columbus are so indignant. They think it's an outrage that Tressel is getting in trouble for this. And think the self-imposed penalties are more than enough punishment.

I don't see any way that Tressel escapes being slapped with failure to monitor and failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. And for lying to both the school's compliance officers and the NCAA, me might get charged with unethical conduct. Those are major violations whose punishments will be more serious than a 2 game suspension and measly fine. It's unfortunate that Pearl's penalties will likely be punished before Tressel, because I have a feeling that Pearl will get worse based on the two programs' national standing.

I'd also like to say that Gordon Gee is a spineless dweeb. It figures someone like that would come from Vandy.
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Zack is this you? Lol
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VolClass75 said:
Tressel brought all those notes to the podium, didn't refer to them except in his opening statement, then proceeded to try and bullshart people into believing he was trying to protect the very players that got him in trouble in the first place. The AD might end up like Hamilton, saying he is still my coach, and possibly both might be in the unemployment line. Other than the lying, these the UT and osu cases are NOT similar at all. Even if they were, the 'AA will not handle them nearly the same. UT has public opinion going against it from the way the media has handled the Kiffen and Pearl fiasco. osu is their fair-haired child. Anyone can see that after all the rules they have broken and walked away from scot free. And what is with theVandy/osu connection? Gee and women's BB coach?
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Every team's fans believes the NCAA favors some other team. So, other than the charges that will be levied by the NCAA these cases are not similar?

They are similar and the perception is that tOSU did not take any sort of stance against the SV. The NCAA may very well pound both coaches.
 
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golfballs03 said:
Tressel knowingly played ineligible players. That is committing a violation much more serious than what Pearl did.
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I was under the impression the NCAA suspended the players and they were never declared ineligible. I don't know what difference it makes but I think there may be a distinction.
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SCOTSVOL62 said:
No Kiffin brought them here with his secondary violations and hostessgate and they looked around to find the phone calls and other stuff why they were here. I agree Pearl brought them back with the BBQ scandal but Kiffin got them interested
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No. They were investigating our BB program well before Kiffin's hostessgate.
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VolClass75 said:
Tressel brought all those notes to the podium, didn't refer to them except in his opening statement, then proceeded to try and bullshart people into believing he was trying to protect the very players that got him in trouble in the first place. The AD might end up like Hamilton, saying he is still my coach, and possibly both might be in the unemployment line. Other than the lying, these the UT and osu cases are NOT similar at all. Even if they were, the 'AA will not handle them nearly the same. UT has public opinion going against it from the way the media has handled the Kiffen and Pearl fiasco. osu is their fair-haired child. Anyone can see that after all the rules they have broken and walked away from scot free. And what is with theVandy/osu connection? Gee and women's BB coach?
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At least Tressel didn't provide fake tears.
 
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tripper said:
I was under the impression the NCAA suspended the players and they were never declared ineligible. I don't know what difference it makes but I think there may be a distinction.
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There is certainly a distinction to be made. How can the NCAA come down on Tressel for knowingly playing ineligible players if the NCAA has already ruled that those players were eligible?
 
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jbeard82 said:
Zack is this you? Lol
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I could care less if jt gets more or less punishment. The ncaa is a joke. They make up rules and punishments as they go. Until they come up with a system then im all for a coach to hide info or do anything for an advantage. Bc we all know if you dont win today your gone tomorrow in college athletics. And i hate OSU.
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VOLywood said:
"In May of 2009, The Columbus Dispatch reported that since 2000, Ohio State had reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations -- the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided documents to the newspaper through public-records requests. Most of the infractions were minor and resulted in little or no punishment."

Taken from ESPN Jim Tressel gets two-game ban for NCAA violation - ESPN. It is ridiculous that UT is going through what it is going through when Ohio St repeatedly gets nothing.
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If ESPN had broken the story instead of Yahoo, it would be a bigger deal on there.
 
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tripper said:
I was under the impression the NCAA suspended the players and they were never declared ineligible. I don't know what difference it makes but I think there may be a distinction.
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They should have been ineligible the entire season, because SV found out about the violation in April before the season started. He told tOSU and the NCAA that he did not find out about the violations until December and signed off on an agreement to suspend the players the first 5 games in 2011 if they could play in the bowl game. He is in some deep stuff now.
 
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bamawriter said:
There is certainly a distinction to be made. How can the NCAA come down on Tressel for knowingly playing ineligible players if the NCAA has already ruled that those players were eligible?
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That could be interesting...wonder if the rule is the same on ineligible coaches??
 
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bamawriter said:
There is certainly a distinction to be made. How can the NCAA come down on Tressel for knowingly playing ineligible players if the NCAA has already ruled that those players were eligible?
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The timing of when Tressel knew the players were ineligible and when he told everyone he knew, is what will cause the players to be ruled ineligible for all of last season.
 
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golfballs03 said:
People here in Columbus are so indignant. They think it's an outrage that Tressel is getting in trouble for this. And think the self-imposed penalties are more than enough punishment.

I don't see any way that Tressel escapes being slapped with failure to monitor and failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. And for lying to both the school's compliance officers and the NCAA, me might get charged with unethical conduct. Those are major violations whose punishments will be more serious than a 2 game suspension and measly fine. It's unfortunate that Pearl's penalties will likely be punished before Tressel, because I have a feeling that Pearl will get worse based on the two programs' national standing.

I'd also like to say that Gordon Gee is a spineless dweeb. It figures someone like that would come from Vandy.
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We're talking about a fan base where, although there's 60,000 students at the university at any given time, actual alumni seem to be few and far between. OSU's fan base, as a whole, is basically what I call "Notre Dame Lite"; they didn't graduate from there, never took a class there, and yet walk around with their chest puffed out about "academic standards" and "integrity". Then when something bad happens, they simply lapse into talking about teams from the 30s or (my personal favorite) crying about how "everyone does it".

What area in central Ohio are you from?
 
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#323
Sir orangealot said:
Wouldn't say this is worse than Pearl (mainly because of the issue of trying to persuade a recruits father to change his story). But it is awfully close to being equal.
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:eek:lol: you don't say it's worse but pearl gets caught over a BBQ and tressel plays ineligible players all year I say it's worse
 
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VegasVol said:
By itself, it's not "much worse" than Pearl. Tressell didn't commit the underlying violations; the underlying violations were kids selling their own property for fair market value. Tressell didn't lie directly to an NCAA inquiry, nor did his assistants to so, nor did he partake in the lies or ask a recruit's father to do so. On it's face, it's definitely not "far worse." He should still be fired for sending in a false certification and withholding information about violations concerning eligibility.

What would be far worse is something else that may be the case -- Tressell apparently asked for the names of the kids involved in order to have "collateral" on them. Sounds like he wanted something he could hold over the kids as practically blackmail. That would be worse than Pearl.
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Get real
1. Pearl lied about a BBQ
2. Tressel lied and covered up playing ineligible players all year
Not the same
 
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