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[Mullet Vol]

The only thing these two situations have in common is that both coaches lied.

I really don't think one is worse than the other. Pearl committed the act himself, but it didn't involve an actual player that was enrolled at UT. Tressel OTOH didn't commit the act, but it did involve multiple players under his direction and not reporting it before the season could have directly affected his wins and losses that upcoming year.

 

[strongtower]

it certainly made it much worse, but knowingly committing a violation yourself as the HEAD COACH isn't exactly a minor issue.

What part of tressel committed a violation also do you not understand

 

[bamawriter]

Come on, really? Who doesn't know that players selling jerseys is a violation? It takes away their amaetuer status, therefore affecting their eligibility. How can the NCAA come to a conclusion about something that the just found out about? The AA was going of the presumption that Tressel did not know about the violations until December. They now know that he knew about them back in April of last year.

Your beef is with the NCAA. Yes, what OSU's players did has gotten many other players declared ineligible. The NCAA screwed up by not making OSU vacate the games the players participated in when they should have been ineligible (see Bama's textbook situation.)

But since the NCAA decided that the players were eligible during the 2010 season, in spite of the infractions, they can't possibly accuse Tressel of playing ineligible players. Those players were never ineligible according to the NCAA's own ruling.

 

[droski]

What coaches that commit violations don't know they are committing them? Every coach that commits a "bump" violations knows exactly what they are doing. Pearl knew what he was doing when he lied, and Tressel knew his players were ineligible and covered it up. He also knew misleading the NCAA was a violation. That is why they take a test before they can officially coach and recruit. Both coaches deserve severe punishments and potentially being fired.

i agree with the last sentence, but it's still worse if the coach himself comitted the violation.

Without the lie the world would be oblivious to the bbq.
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and the same can't be said for tressel?

 

[droski]

What part of tressel committed a violation also do you not understand

please link where i said he didn't committ a violation by covering it up? covering up your own violation is worse.

 

[Mullet Vol]

But since the NCAA decided that the players were eligible during the 2010 season, in spite of the infractions, they can't possibly accuse Tressel of playing ineligible players. Those players were never ineligible according to the NCAA's own ruling.

Problem with that is that the AA thought OSU and Tressel didn't know about it until after the season. If they had known that Tressel knew about the violations and hid them then I'm pretty sure they would have made them vacate the games they played. Which I still think is going to happen.

 

[VegasVol]

Get real
1. Pearl lied about a BBQ
2. Tressel lied and covered up playing ineligible players all year
Not the same

Get real. The lies are nowhere near the same. Pearl lied to a direct question by an NCAA investigator; Tressell just failed to disclose information on a report. Pearl asked others, including assistants and fathers of teen recruits, to lie for him. Tressell didn't disclose an email from a lawyer leaking confidential information about an ongoing inquiry. Finally, the BBQ is an improper benefit and illicit recruitment by the head coach himself, which is worse than a free tattoo for selling your own property to a guy unassociated with the program.

Tressell deserved to be canned, as does Pearl, but pretending Pearl is better is ludicrous.

 

[droski]

all of the 2010 games for ohio state are gone IMO>

 

[Orange Blazer]

Your beef is with the NCAA. Yes, what OSU's players did has gotten many other players declared ineligible. The NCAA screwed up by not making OSU vacate the games the players participated in when they should have been ineligible (see Bama's textbook situation.)

But since the NCAA decided that the players were eligible during the 2010 season, in spite of the infractions, they can't possibly accuse Tressel of playing ineligible players. Those players were never ineligible according to the NCAA's own ruling.

I have beef with coaches who lie and cheat. You are missing the point however. When the NCAA ruled on the players and suspended them for 5 games for the 2011 season, they were unaware that Tressel had known about the violations since April. Why is that? Because he told them he only found out about it in December. The players suspension is fine for next year. I am perfectly fine with that punishment. However, you can be assured that a new investigation will be opened and much bigger punishments for SV and tOSU will be handed down. tOSU's punished to Tressel was a joke.

 

[Orange Blazer]

all of the 2010 games for ohio state are gone IMO>

I agree. I think SV will miss more than 2 games as well in the 2011 season.

 

[droski]

Get real. The lies are nowhere near the same. Pearl lied to a direct question by an NCAA investigator; Tressell just failed to disclose information on a report. Pearl asked others, including assistants and fathers of teen recruits, to lie for him. Tressell didn't disclose an email from a lawyer leaking confidential information about an ongoing inquiry. Finally, the BBQ is an improper benefit and illicit recruitment by the head coach himself, which is worse than a free tattoo for selling your own property to a guy unassociated with the program.

Tressell deserved to be canned, as does Pearl, but pretending Pearl is better is ludicrous.

ridiculous. it's just about a couple of hot dogs. might as well give pearl an extension. no big deal.

 

[strongtower]

please link where i said he didn't committ a violation by covering it up? covering up your own violation is worse.

Get real you sweater vest lover tressel knew about it beginning of year and then when green was suspended for same thing tressel continued to cover it up committing a violation stop trying to church tressel up

 

[droski]

Get real you sweater vest lover tressel knew about it beginning of year and then when green was suspended for same thing tressel continued to cover it up committing a violation stop trying to church tressel up

i'd already said both should be fired. my only argument is that what pearl did was worse.

 

[Orange Blazer]

Get real. The lies are nowhere near the same. Pearl lied to a direct question by an NCAA investigator; Tressell just failed to disclose information on a report. Pearl asked others, including assistants and fathers of teen recruits, to lie for him. Tressell didn't disclose an email from a lawyer leaking confidential information about an ongoing inquiry. Finally, the BBQ is an improper benefit and illicit recruitment by the head coach himself, which is worse than a free tattoo for selling your own property to a guy unassociated with the program.

Tressell deserved to be canned, as does Pearl, but pretending Pearl is better is ludicrous.

In all do respect you don't know what exactly he told the NCAA. If they asked him when did you find out about the players, and he said December. He directly lied to them.

 

[golfballs]

I'm not sure that committing a minor violation and lying about is as bad as allowing ineligible players to play for an entire season.

THAT is a major violation and he lied about it. Worse than Pearl.

 

[strongtower]

ridiculous. it's just about a couple of hot dogs. might as well give pearl an extension. no big deal.

Exactly it's just a few ineligible players playing all season no biggie

 

[droski]

In all do respect you don't know what exactly he told the NCAA. If they asked him when did you find out about the players, and he said December. He directly lied to them.

if he did that and his AD said what he said yesterday than both him and his AD should be fired immediately.

 

[golfballs]

i agree with the last sentence, but it's still worse if the coach himself comitted the violation.



and the same can't be said for tressel?

Yes he did commit a violation. He used players that he knew were ineligible.

 

[strongtower]

i'd already said both should be fired. my only argument is that what pearl did was worse.

How is pearl worse? Both committed violations if tressel didn't commit one why is he suspended and pearl covered up a BBQ tressel covered up playing inelligible
players all season

 

[droski]

do you think that if ohio state had reported this immediately all the players would have been ruled ineligible for the season? doubt it.

 

[Mullet Vol]

THAT is a major violation and he lied about it. Worse than Pearl.

I agree to an extent, but we know Pearl was asked directly about the violation and he lied. Tressel just didn't report. Now if the AA called Tressel and ask him about the possible violations committed and he lied then you could lump them together.

Both are equally as bad, but they are entirely different situations.

 

[Orange Blazer]

if he did that and his AD said what he said yesterday than both him and his AD should be fired immediately.

If he did I agree, what I said is hypothetical though.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Your beef is with the NCAA. Yes, what OSU's players did has gotten many other players declared ineligible. The NCAA screwed up by not making OSU vacate the games the players participated in when they should have been ineligible (see Bama's textbook situation.)

But since the NCAA decided that the players were eligible during the 2010 season, in spite of the infractions, they can't possibly accuse Tressel of playing ineligible players. Those players were never ineligible according to the NCAA's own ruling.

Bama - you keep harping on the NCAA decision to allow the wins from 2010 to count and suspend them prospectively in 2011. This decision was, in large part, based on tOSU's claim that "we didn't know until 12/7/10 and now that we do we will educate the lads." The NCAA says ok 5 game suspension.

Fastforward to today... now we find out that SV found out PRIOR to the season and FAILED to either educate or report and, in fact, covered up the violation by lying to the NCAA. Now the NCAA will go back and vacate wins for 2010. Now if Tressel's defense is as you suggest he will get the career ending penalty.

 

[golfballs]

do you think that if ohio state had reported this immediately all the players would have been ruled ineligible for the season? doubt it.

It doesn't matter the duration, but they would clearly be ruled ineligible - that's why they have a 5 game suspension next year. Tressel knew it and played them anyway. That is clearly committing a major violation. Worse than what Bruce Pearl did.

 

[Mullet Vol]

do you think that if ohio state had reported this immediately all the players would have been ruled ineligible for the season? doubt it.

That's the thing. If both coaches would have been honest to begin with then neither one of them would be in much trouble. Now that they have lied it takes on a whole new level of punishment.