Ohio State in More Trouble (merged)

[UTHorsey]

pearl committed the violation and then covered it up. tressel simply covered it up.

not the same

Not reporting a violation is, in itself, a violation.

Furthermore, if you follow Clay Travis' take on the whole thing, SV could be in even more trouble for impeding a federal investigation.

 

[droski]

Not reporting a violation is, in itself, a violation.

Furthermore, if you follow Clay Travis' take on the whole thing, SV could be in even more trouble for impeding a federal investigation.

so pearl comitted two violations?

 

[UTHorsey]

so pearl comitted two violations?

Absolutely. IIRC in the notice of allegations his lying to NCAA officials is noted.

 

[UTHorsey]

See sections 4-8. Failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance. Failure to report, giving misleading information, etc.

http://www.utsports.com/genrel/030211-NOA.pdf

 

[tvolsfan]

pearl committed the violation and then covered it up. tressel simply covered it up.

not the same

I'm not sure that committing a minor violation and lying about is as bad as allowing ineligible players to play for an entire season.

 

[tvolsfan]

The NCAA never declared the players ineligible. They did not vacate any games the players participated in.

The NCAA considered it a violation, but apparently not a violation that affected their eligibility.

I would think that knowing about it a year ago makes them ineligible from that point until after the season when the NCAA said they could play.

 

[bamawriter]

The timing of when Tressel knew the players were ineligible and when he told everyone he knew, is what will cause the players to be ruled ineligible for all of last season.

So the players actions didn't make them ineligible, only Tressel's knowledge?

How can the NCAA come to OSU and say "You should have known the players were ineligible!" when the NCAA said they were never ineligible. Tressel can simply say "I didn't think the infraction would merit ineligibility, and the NCAA apparently came to the same conclusion."

 

[Mullet Vol]

No they weren't. They have a history of being one of the most penalized programs in the country.

I'm wasn't comparing the two programs history with violations. I'm just saying that everyone thought So. Cal was untouchable before the NCAA hammered them. No one thought the NCAA would come down that hard on one of the nation's elite programs.

 

[tim]

pearl committed the violation and then covered it up. tressel simply covered it up.

not the same

Depends on your definition of a lie. Failure to divulge is lying. Especially when you can expect to gain by keeping the information from the ncaa.
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[strongtower]

pearl committed the violation and then covered it up. tressel simply covered it up.

not the same

lol: tressel committed a violation by covering it pearl covered up ribs and hotdogs tressel covered up inelligble
players not the same hoss

 

[UTHorsey]

Depends on your definition of a lie. Failure to divulge is lying. Especially when you can expect to gain by keeping the information from the ncaa.
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Exactly. And you can also add, especially when you are contractually/legally obligated to divulge such information.

 

[droski]

I'm not sure that committing a minor violation and lying about is as bad as allowing ineligible players to play for an entire season.

of course it is. because pearl himself comitted the violation.

 

[UTHorsey]

lol: tressel committed a violation by covering it pearl covered up ribs and hotdogs tressel covered up insomnia players not the same hoss

Insomnia players? I'm assuming this is a case of "damn you autocorrect"

 

[bamawriter]

of course it is. because pearl himself comitted the violation.

Right.

There is nothing that Jim Tressel did that Bruce Pearl did not.

There are several things that Pearl did that Tressel did not.

 

[tim]

of course it is. because pearl himself comitted the violation.

The actual violation is not really the issue. Lying about it is. Imo
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[Orange Blazer]

So the players actions didn't make them ineligible, only Tressel's knowledge?

How can the NCAA come to OSU and say "You should have known the players were ineligible!" when the NCAA said they were never ineligible. Tressel can simply say "I didn't think the infraction would merit ineligibility, and the NCAA apparently came to the same conclusion."

Come on, really? Who doesn't know that players selling jerseys is a violation? It takes away their amaetuer status, therefore affecting their eligibility. How can the NCAA come to a conclusion about something that the just found out about? The AA was going of the presumption that Tressel did not know about the violations until December. They now know that he knew about them back in April of last year.

 

[tim]

Right.

There is nothing that Jim Tressel did that Bruce Pearl did not.

There are several things that Pearl did that Tressel did not.

Incorrect. Tressel played potentially ineligible players. Knowing that players who sold memorabilia had recently been suspended is evidence that he knowingly delayed this information from surfacing.
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[droski]

The actual violation is not really the issue. Lying about it is. Imo
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it certainly made it much worse, but knowingly committing a violation yourself as the HEAD COACH isn't exactly a minor issue.

 

[strongtower]

Insomnia players? I'm assuming this is a case of "damn you autocorrect"

My iPad put that crap in I changed it

 

[droski]

lol: tressel committed a violation by covering it pearl covered up ribs and hotdogs tressel covered up inelligble
players not the same hoss

right. keep telling yourself that.

 

[bleedorange1983]

So the players actions didn't make them ineligible, only Tressel's knowledge?

How can the NCAA come to OSU and say "You should have known the players were ineligible!" when the NCAA said they were never ineligible. Tressel can simply say "I didn't think the infraction would merit ineligibility, and the NCAA apparently came to the same conclusion."

What are you talking about? The ncaa did rule them ineligible....for next season. 5 games ineligible.
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[Orange Blazer]

it certainly made it much worse, but knowingly committing a violation yourself as the HEAD COACH isn't exactly a minor issue.

What coaches that commit violations don't know they are committing them? Every coach that commits a "bump" violations knows exactly what they are doing. Pearl knew what he was doing when he lied, and Tressel knew his players were ineligible and covered it up. He also knew misleading the NCAA was a violation. That is why they take a test before they can officially coach and recruit. Both coaches deserve severe punishments and potentially being fired.

 

[tim]

it certainly made it much worse, but knowingly committing a violation yourself as the HEAD COACH isn't exactly a minor issue.

Without the lie the world would be oblivious to the bbq.
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[strongtower]

of course it is. because pearl himself comitted the violation.

Your intelligence astounds me tressel committed a violation as well :crazy:

 

[VegasVol]

Just a couple of questions for ya...You think Playing players you know are ineligable might be a violation.Do you know that he didnt lie to investigators?

He knew two players had likely sold their Big-10 merchandise, a violation for sure. However, he didn't know they would be declared ineligible in April or June when he first got the information. He did know there was a risk of it, and by fall (with the A.J. Green suspension), he knew the likely penalty.

The Ohio State self-report doesn't have the NCAA ever asking him for information, and they would have so disclosed I assume. In fact, he apparently gave the compliance department a bit of an answer back in December, but it was vague. His real dishonesty and unethical conduct toward the NCAA was the failure to disclose, not an overt lie to a direct question.