Ohio State in More Trouble (merged)

He didn't ask the source to keep any information secret nor did he ask anyone else to keep it secret. And he didn't ask anyone else to lie for him. That's the primary difference at the moment.

Just because he didn't ask the guy in an email to keep it secret doesn't mean it didn't happen. I really believe there is much more that is going to come out to what he really did. Ohio State thinks there is a lot more to this, otherwise they would not have suspended Tressel two games and fined him over an internet article.
 
I don't know if this has been said yet, but another thing that is going to come out of this is that when the NCAA starts snooping around, they won't stop with the football program. You can bet Thad Matta and his program are going to be put under a microscope, too.
 
My favorite part is that UT's self-imposed sanctions, in particular the one-year off-campus recruiting ban, + the SEC's 8-game suspension, now look like even bigger punishments in light of what OSU just gave Tressel.

This helps UT's case of how proactive they were.
 
I don't know if this has been said yet, but another thing that is going to come out of this is that when the NCAA starts snooping around, they won't stop with the football program. You can bet Thad Matta and his program are going to be put under a microscope, too.

I guess "snitching" eventually comes back to bite everybody.
 
Does it really matter which one is "worse"? What Tressel did clearly rises to the level of an unethical conduct charge, just like Pearl, and that's all that really matters.
 
Does it really matter which one is "worse"? What Tressel did clearly rises to the level of an unethical conduct charge, just like Pearl, and that's all that really matters.

valid point. I don't know if the NCAA has different degrees of unethical conduct, kind of like criminal codes have different levels of for crimes, i.e. stealing $50,000 carries a stiffer penalty than stealing $700.
 
He didn't ask the source to keep any information secret nor did he ask anyone else to keep it secret. And he didn't ask anyone else to lie for him. That's the primary difference at the moment.

Do you really believe he didn't tell his players to keep their mouths shut about it? He I know what you have been up to stop it and don't even talk about it or you could be suspended?

Come on, JT didn't cover this up on his own. Heck he had to have something hanging over all 5 players heads to get them ALL to come back 1 more year.
 
After reading this article, I have changed my mind. Give that man a medal!

Ohio State self-reports violations by Jim Tressel to NCAA, suggests fine and suspension.


Jim Tressel
Saying he wanted to protect his players and observe a request for confidentiality, Ohio State coach Jim Tressel said Tuesday he decided to essentially do nothing when he was first notified by a central Ohio attorney last April that two of his players had sold memorabilia to a local tattoo artist.

Because he failed to pass on that information to his superiors or OSU compliance officials, the university deemed he had violated provisions of NCAA Bylaw 10.1.

The transgressions of those two players and four others eventually came out in December when that group was issued suspensions for the 2011 season.

As part of its self-report, the university announced it has self-imposed the following sanctions on Tressel: a public reprimand and apology; a two-game suspension; attendance at a compliance seminar; and a $250,000 fine.

It was unclear which of Tressel's assistants may serve as the interim head coach for OSU’s first two games against Akron and Toledo. The NCAA reserves the right to accept the self-report and the penalties or add to them.

It was originally reported that Tressel would not be involved with coaching during spring football or the summer camp, however those sanctions were not part of OSU’s self report.

“I am sorry and disappointed this happened,” Tressel said. “At the time the situation occurred, I thought I was doing the right thing.” Gotta win those games, right Jim?

OSU athletic director Gene Smith and OSU president Gordon Gee joined Tressel at an evening press conference where the violations and sanctions were announced.

The university became aware of this situation on Jan. 13, while reviewing information on an unrelated legal issue. The university's Office of Legal Affairs notified the appropriate institutional officials and an investigation began immediately. After conducting additional fact finding, including questioning Tressel, the university notified the NCAA on Feb. 3.

"I am disappointed that we find ourselves in this situation. I want to thank the NCAA for being responsive and working collaboratively with us on this case. We ask Buckeye Nation to be patient as we resolve this matter and we thank them for all the support that they provide to our programs," Smith said. "I think everyone knows how I feel about Jim Tressel. There is no better coach at developing young people than Jim."

Smith will serve as chairman of the NCAA men’s basketball tournament committee the rest of this week in Indianapolis. He said he had hoped that OSU’s internal investigation had been completed before he left for Indianapolis on Wednesday. But when YahooSports.com broke the story about Tressel’s alleged violation Monday night, the timetable was escalated and OSU made its self-report to the NCAA today.

“There was no question we had a leak,” Smith said. “We wanted to be responsive as we could. My goal all along was to try and get it done prior to my departure. We had hoped by the end of the week to have this self-report done by the end of the week.”

Smith was in New York City at an NCAA publicity event Monday night when the news broke.

“We were able to get (the report) done today and we submitted it to the NCAA,” he said.

Smith scoffed at any notion that the 58-year-old Tressel – who has won 106 games, seven Big Ten titles, nine Michigan games and six bowl games in 10 years – faced termination.

“There was speculation about him being terminated,” Smith said. “That was pure speculation. This case, in my view, does not warrant it. If you look at the body of work this man has put into this university and his profession and you think about who he is, there is no question in my mind that his decision was from the heart.

“Jim Tressel is a coach of young men and we support him 100 percent. There was no intent in what he did. He is our coach and we trust him implicitly.”

Gee was asked if the thought of terminating Tressel’s contract – valued at $3.5 million per year – ever crossed his mind. His response: “Are you kidding? Let me be very clear: I’m just glad that the coach doesn’t dismiss me.” Translation if I fired Jim Tressel, I'm a goner.

"This university president is committed to this coach,” Gee added. “Jim Tressel has devoted the past decade of his life to this university. He's had great success on the football field and off.

"The university has responded as rapidly as possible and worked with the NCAA to ensure full cooperation. Coach Tressel has acknowledged he has erred and takes full responsibility for his actions. During the past decade, he has devoted his life to the university, the students on his team, and so many others in the larger community. As an NCAA member school, we are committed to doing everything possible to comply with NCAA rules and bylaws."

Gee said he and Tressel met for three hours at his house to discuss this issue.

“I asked him questions that none of you would even dare to ask,” Gee said. “We have been through everything to make sure there is no kind of smoking gun and we’re just going on from there.” And I thought the emails were the smoking gun, you moron.

The Timeline

This whole episode can best be described as a complicated situation.

As was revealed in December, six OSU players – Terrelle Pryor, Boom Herron, DeVier Posey, Mike Adams, Solomon Thomas and Jordan Whiting – were found to have sold some of their OSU obtained memorabilia and equipment to a central Ohio tattoo artist at some point in 2009. That tattoo artist was Ed Rife, who subsequently was subject to a federal investigation.

A central Ohio attorney contacted Tressel in April 2010 regarding the players’ ties to Rife. Those contacts came via e-mails between the attorney and Tressel. The e-mails outline the memorabilia that was traded and contain other details regarding the OSU players.

"Last spring, I received some e-mails regarding an ongoing drug trafficking case,” Tressel said. “They outlined some of the parties involved and they were of tremendous concern to me. We get a lot of e-mails ... but this one was obviously different. It kind jogged in my mind some of the toughest losses I’ve had in coaching.

“I’ve had a player murdered. I’ve had a player incarcerated. I’ve had a player get taken into the drug culture and lose his opportunity for a productive life. It was obviously tremendously concerning. Quite honestly, I was scared. Two of our current players were mentioned in the e-mails.”So coach, were you scared FOR your players or because you might lose a few games if you disclosed?

However, Tressel never passed those e-mails on to Smith or OSU compliance officials.

“Admittedly, I never gave quite as much thought to the NCAA (violations) as I read it,” he said. “My focus was on the young people. Bull****e.

"Also in those e-mails, it was very emphatic with the nature of federal investigation that there be confidentiality. The tenor as I read them … was it was serious and confidentiality was critical." Uh Coach, how about the first email you received two weeks prior that contained no mention of confidentiality? Also, I am not familar with the "coach's privilege" I am however familiar with breach of contract and I believe JT's requires disclosure of "ANY POSSIBLE" violation.

None of the players were suspended or missed game time for the Buckeyes as they embarked on a 12-1 regular season where they won a sixth straight Big Ten championship. And, although the players were suspended for the first five games of 2011, they were permitted to play against Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl. Each of them played an integral role as the Buckeyes won that game 31-26.

Tressel was asked how he could justify playing players if he knew their eligibility had been jeopardized.

“Well, I was in a situation where you’ve got two guys who can play who are out there doing the practicing and they’re eligible and all of those things,” the coach said. “There was another situation going on and in my mind it was larger than anything. So as not to disrupt that, a focus of mine was not to interfere with a federal investigation.This is just red, white and blue, honest to god hero **** right here.

“If you all of a sudden sit down players who have earned the right to play, there are a whole new set of questions that are asked.”

In December, things took a turn when OSU officials were notified how the probe of Rife’s activities involved the six players who were subsequently suspended.

“When December came and we were given information from the attorney general’s office that six of our current student-athletes were involved, that was discouraging,” Tressel said. “It was encouraging, though, that there were no criminal acts of any kind. That was a huge relief.Screw the NCAA, its all about staying out of jail and getting that tOSU sheepskin.
“I knew at that point we would have NCAA ramifications and we would deal with that immediately, which we did.”

Smith said members of OSU’s Office of Legal Affairs discovered the e-mails from and to the coach on Jan. 13. A new inquiry was launched and Tressel was questioned by OSU officials Jan. 16 and jointly by NCAA officials on Feb. 8.

“When we came back from the bowl game, we discovered that there were some e-mails that Coach Tressel had that revealed he had some prior knowledge regarding the matter with our student-athletes,” Smith said. “We sat down with Coach Tressel and he shared why he did not share those e-mails.”

Smith said OSU retained The Compliance Group to serve as an outside consultant on this matter.

“President Gee was out of the country at the time, so we didn’t go too far with it until he returned,” Smith said. “As he returned, we shared with him immediately what we had and developed our strategy from there.”

Ultimately, Tressel discovered that by keeping quiet last spring he had also broken NCAA bylaws.

"An NCAA violation occurred on my part ... I learned that I probably needed to go to the top legal counsel person at the university to get help on how to handle criminal investigations and confidentiality and the protection you need within the process,” he said.

"Obviously, I'm disappointed this happened at all. I take my responsibility for what we do at Ohio State very seriously. I am saddened by the fact I let some people down and didn't do things as well as I could have.

“I am pleased that the young people involved are safe. They’re not involved in any criminal activity. They are all in college and they’re all going to graduate from Ohio State. To me, that’s what it’s all about.” Again, hero **** here. Molder of men.

Smith said he, Tressel and Gee could not go into too much detail on the case as it remains pending with the NCAA.

The appeal process for the suspended players is ongoing, Smith said. OSU is hopeful it can get the five-game suspensions knocked back to four or fewer games.
 
Anything UT receives from the NCAA will be about lying to the NCAA in general. That is, UT has been punished more than enough for the underlying violations. So, anything that is tacked on will be for the act of lying. If Pearl gets hammered by the NCAA for his lie, than OSU is in major trouble, because I think we can all agree that their punishments don't even cover the underlying violations.
 
OSU said Yahoo only gave them 30 minutes to respond before they posted.
Yahoo then says they gave them 3 hours.

Good Lord.

Well since he (Tressel) knew about it for 11 months and the school has been trying to clean up the mess for 2 months......30 minutes seems about right.
 
I missed the part that said he lied to the NCAA.

That's because he lied to EVERYBODY. Yeah, he jumped right it on this as soon as he found out (at least that's what he said in his presser in December). Odd when he knew about 8 months earlier and got on it ASAP (ASAP must mean something different in Ohio, than what it does in the rest of the world).

He also lied when he checked the box back in July '10 on his contract that he knew of no wrong doing by OSU.

Yeah, only BP lies. They ALL pretty much do it and that is just the way it is.

Pearl was so full of himself and went and stepped in it big time.
 
Pearl = shoplifting and coerecing friends to lie about it

Tressel = learning about a chop shop that his employees were running

while pearl did commit and conceal his infraction his degree of infraction was minor in comparison to Tressel's knowledge of a much more severe infraction.
 
So the players actions didn't make them ineligible, only Tressel's knowledge?

How can the NCAA come to OSU and say "You should have known the players were ineligible!" when the NCAA said they were never ineligible. Tressel can simply say "I didn't think the infraction would merit ineligibility, and the NCAA apparently came to the same conclusion."

Please pretty please elaborate on the part about how the NCAA came to the conclusion that the infraction didn't merit ineligibility.
 
Please pretty please elaborate on the part about how the NCAA came to the conclusion that the infraction didn't merit ineligibility.

They didn't force OSU to vacate any wins from last season. If the players were deemed ineligible, the first thing to happen would be a vacation of wins. They are being penalized with a five game suspension, but they were not declared ineligible.
 
Does it really matter which one is "worse"? What Tressel did clearly rises to the level of an unethical conduct charge, just like Pearl, and that's all that really matters.
Whether it matters or not depends on your opinion, but the situations aren't the same. OSU could hurt themselves a lot if they stick with the proposed penalties.
 
Do you really believe he didn't tell his players to keep their mouths shut about it? He I know what you have been up to stop it and don't even talk about it or you could be suspended?

Come on, JT didn't cover this up on his own. Heck he had to have something hanging over all 5 players heads to get them ALL to come back 1 more year.

Oh, I think he did worse -- I think his "collateral" comment in the emails was intended to hold leverage against them. But proving that is a whole different story.
 
They didn't force OSU to vacate any wins from last season. If the players were deemed ineligible, the first thing to happen would be a vacation of wins. They are being penalized with a five game suspension, but they were not declared ineligible.

I could be wrong here, but I am under the impression that they are eligible, because they are paying back the benefits and serving suspensions. That is, one could say their eligibility was restored when they paid it back. I don't recall it being put that way in this case, which is why I started my post with the "I could be wrong" disclaimer, but there have been other cases where players were declared ineligible and then had their eligibility restored after paying back the benefits and serving suspensions.
 
There is certainly a distinction to be made. How can the NCAA come down on Tressel for knowingly playing ineligible players if the NCAA has already ruled that those players were eligible?

I see it as an eligibility issue still. The players should have been ruled ineligible by the university when Tressel first found out about the potential violations. The NCAA could have then ruled them eligible. The question is, what is the penalty for failing to report the potential eligibility issues until you get caught and then lying, in certifications submitted to the NCAA, about when you found out there could be eligibility issues.
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pearl committed the violation and then covered it up. tressel simply covered it up.

not the same

I think he did cover up a violation. He had information about potential player eligibility issues that he failed to report. I believe that is a violation. He then proceeded to cover up when he obtained this information by signing certification documents that were submitted to the NCAA saying that he didn't know about the potential eligibility issues until December, when the AA was informed.
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I could be wrong here, but I am under the impression that they are eligible, because they are paying back the benefits and serving suspensions. That is, one could say their eligibility was restored when they paid it back. I don't recall it being put that way in this case, which is why I started my post with the "I could be wrong" disclaimer, but there have been other cases where players were declared ineligible and then had their eligibility restored after paying back the benefits and serving suspensions.

Alabama's textbook recipients paid back everything, but they still vacated wins. In every case I'm aware of prior to the OSU Five, the players have to pay back the benefits in order to be reinstated, but if they participated in any wins between the time they committed the violation and when they got reinstated, the wins get vacated.
 

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