Ohio State in More Trouble (merged)

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droski said:
do you think that if ohio state had reported this immediately all the players would have been ruled ineligible for the season? doubt it.
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No, they probably would have been suspended for 5 games this past season. The biggest deal here isn't what the players did, its the cover up that Tressel did.
 
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VegasVol said:
By itself, it's not "much worse" than Pearl. Tressell didn't commit the underlying violations; the underlying violations were kids selling their own property for fair market value. Tressell didn't lie directly to an NCAA inquiry, nor did his assistants to so, nor did he partake in the lies or ask a recruit's father to do so. On it's face, it's definitely not "far worse." He should still be fired for sending in a false certification and withholding information about violations concerning eligibility.

What would be far worse is something else that may be the case -- Tressell apparently asked for the names of the kids involved in order to have "collateral" on them. Sounds like he wanted something he could hold over the kids as practically blackmail. That would be worse than Pearl.
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Wrong on so many levels. He did lie. He lied to his school 3 times. He kept the kids qualified when if any of this got out the would have been disqualified from games. Read the emails and the deatails don't believe everything espn is barely reprting & wants you to know. Try claytravis.net
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Mullet Vol said:
I agree to an extent, but we know Pearl was asked directly about the violation and he lied. Tressel just didn't report. Now if the AA called Tressel and ask him about the possible violations committed and he lied then you could lump them together.

Both are equally as bad, but they are entirely different situations.
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That's not true. Tressel LIED 3 times about not knowing. That's in OSU's own report.
 
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Mullet Vol said:
I agree to an extent, but we know Pearl was asked directly about the violation and he lied. Tressel just didn't report. Now if the AA called Tressel and ask him about the possible violations committed and he lied then you could lump them together.

Both are equally as bad, but they are entirely different situations.
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Tressel signed a compliance report to the NCAA representing that he didn't become aware of the violations until 12/7/10. Kinda sounds like lying and covering up, no?
 
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Orange Blazer said:
In all do respect you don't know what exactly he told the NCAA. If they asked him when did you find out about the players, and he said December. He directly lied to them.
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Ohio State included the details in their self-report, and that wasn't in there. I don't think they would have excluded that if it were true, because it would make the whole institution look bad, as they and the NCAA know what Tressell was interviewed about.
 
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Mullet Vol said:
That's the thing. If both coaches would have been honest to begin with then neither one of them would be in much trouble. Now that they have lied it takes on a whole new level of punishment.
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Disagree. If the NCAA asked him originally if he knew what they did and he admitted to it. He would have admitted to a major NCAA violation by playing them despite his knowledge. The lying makes it worse. But Tressel would still have been in trouble.
 
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golfballs03 said:
It doesn't matter the duration, but they would clearly be ruled ineligible - that's why they have a 5 game suspension next year. Tressel knew it and played them anyway. That is clearly committing a major violation. Worse than what Bruce Pearl did.
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Did you miss all the major violations listed against Pearl, independent of the lying?
 
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VegasVol said:
Ohio State included the details in their self-report, and that wasn't in there. I don't think they would have excluded that if it were true, because it would make the whole institution look bad, as they and the NCAA know what Tressell was interviewed about.
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So do you think the NCAA is going to accept what punishments Ohio State gave SV and just move on? I surely hope not.
 
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Even more damning than Pearl is that at least he came clean. Tressel wasn't going to say anything. The school had to scour his emails to find this stuff.
 
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golfballs03 said:
Disagree. If the NCAA asked him originally if he knew what they did and he admitted to it. He would have admitted to a major NCAA violation by playing them despite his knowledge. The lying makes it worse. But Tressel would still have been in trouble.
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I think he was referring to being honest back in April. As in reporting the players for selling their stuff.
 
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VegasVol said:
Did you miss all the major violations listed against Pearl, independent of the lying?
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Failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance and failure to monitor are both tied to his coverup. What other major violations were there? The impermissible phone calls and the cookout were not major violations.
 
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Manvol said:
Wrong on so many levels. He did lie. He lied to his school 3 times. He kept the kids qualified when if any of this got out the would have been disqualified from games. Read the emails and the deatails don't believe everything espn is barely reprting & wants you to know. Try claytravis.net
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Actually, he just withheld information on the report, more akin to what Pearl's assistants did than what Pearl did. I've read the emails, and I think there is worse potential in there for Tressell, but Pearl was unique in getting caught in a cover-up involving 1) his own personal major violations; 2) asking for his assistants to partake; and 3) asking for a recruit's father to partake.

The underlying violations may be worse for OSU, but the scope of the cover-up and the nature of the lie were for worse for Pearl. And guess what the NCAA considers more important? It ain't the underlying violation.
 
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VegasVol said:
Did you miss all the major violations listed against Pearl, independent of the lying?
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We don't know what Major Violations that SV will get based on the news broken this week though. He very well could get a lot of the same violations Pearl got. Unethical conduct, failure to promote, and so on... It will be easier to compare the two after the NCAA gives tOSU their letter.
 
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golfballs03 said:
Disagree. If the NCAA asked him originally if he knew what they did and he admitted to it. He would have admitted to a major NCAA violation by playing them despite his knowledge. The lying makes it worse. But Tressel would still have been in trouble.
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Not if he had come forward in April with the information. The AA would have suspended the players and Tressel would have never gotten in trouble.
 
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golfballs03 said:
Failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance and failure to monitor are both tied to his coverup. What other major violations were there? The impermissible phone calls and the cookout were not major violations.
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Contacting the recruit's parents to issue a thinly veiled threat about their son's eligibility is a potentially major violation.
 
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VegasVol said:
Actually, he just withheld information on the report, more akin to what Pearl's assistants did than what Pearl did. I've read the emails, and I think there is worse potential in there for Tressell, but Pearl was unique in getting caught in a cover-up involving 1) his own personal major violations; 2) asking for his assistants to partake; and 3) asking for a recruit's father to partake.

The underlying violations may be worse for OSU, but the scope of the cover-up and the nature of the lie were for worse for Pearl. And guess what the NCAA considers more important? It ain't the underlying violation.
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You don't know that yet. The NCAA and tOSU are just finding out about Tressels cover up.
 
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bamawriter said:
Contacting the recruit's parents to issue a thinly veiled threat about their son's eligibility is a potentially major violation.
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We know Pearl's violations. Thanks for sharing though. Tressel stands a good chance at getting many of the same major violations as well. Also, if you read Clay Travis's blog or article, you will see there could potentially be some legal troubles for Tressel if he and the lawyer told the players to keep quite about everything. This is just the tip of the iceberg for SV and we won't know all of what he really did to cover up this mess until the NCAA does their investigation.
 
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Mullet Vol said:
Not if he had come forward in April with the information. The AA would have suspended the players and Tressel would have never gotten in trouble.
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Right, but that would have precluded an opportunity for Tressel to lie about it.
 
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bamawriter said:
Contacting the recruit's parents to issue a thinly veiled threat about their son's eligibility is a potentially major violation.
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Yes, that is tied to the coverup. Coverup of what? A minor violation.

Tressel was trying to cover up a major violation.
 
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strongtower said:
How is pearl worse? Both committed violations if tressel didn't commit one why is he suspended and pearl covered up a BBQ tressel covered up playing insoluble players all season
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pearl talked to players and recruits and asked them to lie. tressel simply ignored a couple of emails and then lied about knowing about them. both are firable offenses, but one is worse.
 
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droski said:
pearl talked to players and recruits and asked them to lied. tressel simply ignored a couple of emails. both are firable offenses, but one is worse.
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He didn't ignore them. He responded to them, and then covered them up. One is worse.
 
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droski said:
of course it is. because pearl himself comitted the violation.
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Put it this way. Imagine both parties came clean from the start. Pearl probably gets very little, if anything, and the OSU players still get a 5 game suspension. That's my justification for thinking Tressel's scenario could very possibly be considered worse.
 
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