Oil Rig Explosion

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g8terh8ter_eric said:
This whole thing could have been adverted if we were able to drill more on-shore and extract the oil-shale in the Rockies. All it takes is common sense to realize that drilling that far down is going to cause problems.
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Hold on - where was that common sense when plenty of people were arguing that off-shore drilling was entirely safe, no questions asked? That's just silly 20/20 hindsight, IMO.
 
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TennTradition said:
Hold on - where was that common sense when plenty of people were arguing that off-shore drilling was entirely safe, no questions asked? That's just silly 20/20 hindsight, IMO.
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Ask the same politicians who got their pockets lined with money that are now clamoring for more legislation to fix this. If people thought deep sea drilling wasn't risky, then they were fooling themselves.
 
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Velo Vol said:
From what I was reading the initial pressure measurements were lower than some commentators thought they should be (7000 psi vs 8000-9000 psi).

But I haven't seen any other evidence of leaking . . . at least not yet.
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Quit listening to the talking heads... The video showing the pressure gauge came from my boat. We were NOT looking at a gauge monitoring pressure in the bore. We were looking at the pressure on the hydrualic manifold that supplied pressure to close the rams on the new "BOP" we just installed. Apparently CNN reported the pressures were WAY lower than expected because our gauge showed less than BP expected and that indicated the formation had failed and we had another blowout below the seabed.

The "hive" requested that I change the view and look at something else. CNN then reported that BP was trying to hide the fact that we had failed by changing the view.

FYI, the pressures are read by internal sensors through acoutics transmitters. The raw data is transmitted to Houston and is decoded. There are no gauges to look at or show video of.
 
#705
#705
g8terh8ter_eric said:
This whole thing could have been adverted if we were able to drill more on-shore and extract the oil-shale in the Rockies. All it takes is common sense to realize that drilling that far down is going to cause problems.
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This is one of the things that has been misreported by everyone from BP, the government, and the media. There are wells being drilled all around the world in water depths as deep as 10,000 ft and more. It's not uncommon and has been blown way out of proportion.

The Mexican state run oil company (Pemex) is even drilling in 10,000 feet right on the edge of the US territorial waters. Brazillian oil company (Petrobras) is working their way to 15,000 feet and are even drilling in OUR waters.

Let me ask everyone a question... why do you think the most highly advanced skimming technology resides overseas? Is it because they are more advanced than us? Or, is it possible that they need that technology more than we do? Is it because they have more spills than we do? When was the last you heard about in the GoM?

Back to the shallow water debate... I'll ask one more question. If this blow-out had happened in 500 feet of water instead of 5,000..... How would things have been different? Other than, of course, the fact that the oil would have reached shore in hours instead of days...

Would anyone on this board be willing to sacrifice a diver or two to fix the issue? I wouldn't because I know that a diver couldn't have done anything the ROV's couldn't do. This well had a catastrophic chain of failures that took three months to control. 50 feet, 500 feet, 5,000 feet... it wouldn't have changed a thing except the environmental impact.
 
#706
#706
All in all, this has been one of the most interesting threads that I have read on this forum. Thanks for the great info Orangetoes.
 
#707
#707
Orangetoes said:
This is one of the things that has been misreported by everyone from BP, the government, and the media. There are wells being drilled all around the world in water depths as deep as 10,000 ft and more. It's not uncommon and has been blown way out of proportion.

The Mexican state run oil company (Pemex) is even drilling in 10,000 feet right on the edge of the US territorial waters. Brazillian oil company (Petrobras) is working their way to 15,000 feet and are even drilling in OUR waters.

Let me ask everyone a question... why do you think the most highly advanced skimming technology resides overseas? Is it because they are more advanced than us? Or, is it possible that they need that technology more than we do? Is it because they have more spills than we do? When was the last you heard about in the GoM?

Back to the shallow water debate... I'll ask one more question. If this blow-out had happened in 500 feet of water instead of 5,000..... How would things have been different? Other than, of course, the fact that the oil would have reached shore in hours instead of days...

Would anyone on this board be willing to sacrifice a diver or two to fix the issue? I wouldn't because I know that a diver couldn't have done anything the ROV's couldn't do. This well had a catastrophic chain of failures that took three months to control. 50 feet, 500 feet, 5,000 feet... it wouldn't have changed a thing except the environmental impact.
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There goes that dang logic again. :good!:
 
#708
#708
Orangetoes said:
This is one of the things that has been misreported by everyone from BP, the government, and the media. There are wells being drilled all around the world in water depths as deep as 10,000 ft and more. It's not uncommon and has been blown way out of proportion.

The Mexican state run oil company (Pemex) is even drilling in 10,000 feet right on the edge of the US territorial waters. Brazillian oil company (Petrobras) is working their way to 15,000 feet and are even drilling in OUR waters.

Let me ask everyone a question... why do you think the most highly advanced skimming technology resides overseas? Is it because they are more advanced than us? Or, is it possible that they need that technology more than we do? Is it because they have more spills than we do? When was the last you heard about in the GoM?

Back to the shallow water debate... I'll ask one more question. If this blow-out had happened in 500 feet of water instead of 5,000..... How would things have been different? Other than, of course, the fact that the oil would have reached shore in hours instead of days...

Would anyone on this board be willing to sacrifice a diver or two to fix the issue? I wouldn't because I know that a diver couldn't have done anything the ROV's couldn't do. This well had a catastrophic chain of failures that took three months to control. 50 feet, 500 feet, 5,000 feet... it wouldn't have changed a thing except the environmental impact.
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Because putting a cap on in 500 ft of water is 1,000x easier than doing in in 5,000 ft, if something were to happen. It's not the fact that it did happen, it's the fact there wasn't anything they could have done relatively quickly if it did. Now, I'm smart enough to know that this isn't something that happens on a regular basis, so sure there wasn't probably a good plan in place if the worst happened. Thing is, it took them how many days to get down to the depth the pipe busted?? So yeah, if it's shallower they can get control MUCH more quickly. Plus, it's much easier to maintain.
 
#709
#709
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Because putting a cap on in 500 ft of water is 1,000x easier than doing in in 5,000 ft, if something were to happen. It's not the fact that it did happen, it's the fact there wasn't anything they could have done relatively quickly if it did. Now, I'm smart enough to know that this isn't something that happens on a regular basis, so sure there wasn't probably a good plan in place if the worst happened. Thing is, it took them how many days to get down to the depth the pipe busted?? So yeah, if it's shallower they can get control MUCH more quickly. Plus, it's much easier to maintain.
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he pretty much addressed all of that in the last paragraph

50 feet, 500 feet, 5,000 feet... it wouldn't have changed a thing except the environmental impact.
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#711
#711
Because putting a cap on in 500 ft of water is 1,000x easier than doing in in 5,000 ft, if something were to happen.

I can name you several reasons why it's easier to work in deep water instead of shallow.

It's not the fact that it did happen, it's the fact there wasn't anything they could have done relatively quickly if it did. Now, I'm smart enough to know that this isn't something that happens on a regular basis, so sure there wasn't probably a good plan in place if the worst happened.

What do you mean it doesn't happen on a regular basis? Have you forgotten what I do for a living? I DO this stuff on a daily basis and have for 15 years. BP's best fields in the Gulf are in much deeper water then this.

Thing is, it took them how many days to get down to the depth the pipe busted??

It takes 45 minutes to get to the depth the pipe busted with an ROV.

So yeah, if it's shallower they can get control MUCH more quickly.

Link? Sorry - I couldn't resist... but, really... got a link?

Plus, it's much easier to maintain

Cheaper... yes.... easier? I'll disagree. By the way - have you ever seen what the visibility is like on the shelf in the Gulf of Mexico? It's pretty bad and in some cases zero. Please explain to me how that would make it easier to maintan or repair.

What I'm trying to say is that the "newness" has been dramatically misrepresented by all the parties in this mess.
 
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#712
#712
this thread reveals what we all knew deep down - relying on the press as the source of "facts" for an event is risky.
 
#713
#713
Orangetoes said:
Because putting a cap on in 500 ft of water is 1,000x easier than doing in in 5,000 ft, if something were to happen.

I can name you several reasons why it's easier to work in deep water instead of shallow.

It's not the fact that it did happen, it's the fact there wasn't anything they could have done relatively quickly if it did. Now, I'm smart enough to know that this isn't something that happens on a regular basis, so sure there wasn't probably a good plan in place if the worst happened.

What do you mean it doesn't happen on a regular basis? Have you forgotten what I do for a living? I DO this stuff on a daily basis and have for 15 years. BP's best fields in the Gulf are in much deeper water then this.

Thing is, it took them how many days to get down to the depth the pipe busted??

It takes 45 minutes to get to the depth the pipe busted with an ROV.

So yeah, if it's shallower they can get control MUCH more quickly.

Link? Sorry - I couldn't resist... but, really... got a link?

Plus, it's much easier to maintain

Cheaper... yes.... easier? I'll disagree. By the way - have you ever seen what the visibility is like on the shelf in the Gulf of Mexico? It's pretty bad and in some cases zero. Please explain to me how that would make it easier to maintan or repair.

What I'm trying to say is that the "newness" has been dramatically misrepresented by all the parties in this mess.
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educated me. Thanks.
 
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#714
volinbham said:
this thread reveals what we all knew deep down - relying on the press as the source of "facts" for an event is risky.
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Orwelian at best.



Orangetoes said:
85 or 86... something like that.
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Thanks, I just wondered if it were the same (78) as the duration of Clinton's illegal bombing of Yugoslavia with neither congressional or UN approval.



Orangetoes said:
This is one of the things that has been misreported by everyone from BP, the government, and the media. There are wells being drilled all around the world in water depths as deep as 10,000 ft and more. It's not uncommon and has been blown way out of proportion.

The Mexican state run oil company (Pemex) is even drilling in 10,000 feet right on the edge of the US territorial waters. Brazillian oil company (Petrobras) is working their way to 15,000 feet and are even drilling in OUR waters.

Let me ask everyone a question... why do you think the most highly advanced skimming technology resides overseas? Is it because they are more advanced than us? Or, is it possible that they need that technology more than we do? Is it because they have more spills than we do? When was the last you heard about in the GoM?

Back to the shallow water debate... I'll ask one more question. If this blow-out had happened in 500 feet of water instead of 5,000..... How would things have been different? Other than, of course, the fact that the oil would have reached shore in hours instead of days...

Would anyone on this board be willing to sacrifice a diver or two to fix the issue? I wouldn't because I know that a diver couldn't have done anything the ROV's couldn't do. This well had a catastrophic chain of failures that took three months to control. 50 feet, 500 feet, 5,000 feet... it wouldn't have changed a thing except the environmental impact.
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Needless to say many if not most of the facts have been misrepresented in the media and by government spokesmen and furthermore the same goes for lots and lots of other topics of public interest.
 
#715
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Because putting a cap on in 500 ft of water is 1,000x easier than doing in in 5,000 ft, if something were to happen. It's not the fact that it did happen, it's the fact there wasn't anything they could have done relatively quickly if it did. Now, I'm smart enough to know that this isn't something that happens on a regular basis, so sure there wasn't probably a good plan in place if the worst happened. Thing is, it took them how many days to get down to the depth the pipe busted?? So yeah, if it's shallower they can get control MUCH more quickly. Plus, it's much easier to maintain.
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I find it absolutely hilarious that you are trying to tell "them" what "they" are and are not capable of doing, when "they" just told you otherwise....no intermediary.

You are replying directly to a guys post, which has information directly from the horse's mouth...someone who does this stuff professionally and is working on THIS operation, and basically telling him no - you don't know what you're talking about - and I know this because I've done research on the interwebz.

Maybe you would have believed it if he had posted it as a status update on facebook.
 
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#717
TennTradition said:
I find it absolutely hilarious that you are trying to tell "them" what "they" are and are not capable of doing, when "they" just told you otherwise....no intermediary.

You are replying directly to a guys post, which has information directly from the horse's mouth...someone who does this stuff professionally and is working on THIS operation, and basically telling him no - you don't know what you're talking about - and I know this because I've done research on the interwebz.

Maybe you would have believed it if he had posted it as a status update on facebook.
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That all seems to be par for the course in the politics forum.
 
#718
#718
TennTradition said:
I find it absolutely hilarious that you are trying to tell "them" what "they" are and are not capable of doing, when "they" just told you otherwise....no intermediary.

You are replying directly to a guys post, which has information directly from the horse's mouth...someone who does this stuff professionally and is working on THIS operation, and basically telling him no - you don't know what you're talking about - and I know this because I've done research on the interwebz.

Maybe you would have believed it if he had posted it as a status update on facebook.
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He gets all his info from Hubbs. Orangetoes can't compete with that.
 
#719
#719
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Because putting a cap on in 500 ft of water is 1,000x easier than doing in in 5,000 ft, if something were to happen. It's not the fact that it did happen, it's the fact there wasn't anything they could have done relatively quickly if it did. Now, I'm smart enough to know that this isn't something that happens on a regular basis, so sure there wasn't probably a good plan in place if the worst happened. Thing is, it took them how many days to get down to the depth the pipe busted?? So yeah, if it's shallower they can get control MUCH more quickly. Plus, it's much easier to maintain.
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How about you guys call a truce? Don’t tell orangetoes how to cap a leaking underwater oil well and he will not tell you how to make a pizza.
 
#723
#723
VolDad said:
How about you guys call a truce? Don’t tell orangetoes how to cap a leaking underwater oil well and he will not tell you how to make a pizza.
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Uh... I'm going to put a quaint Italian themed brunch area by our pool in the next couple of years. It will be centered around a nice-sized brick oven. We will make our own cheese, doughs, and sauces. So, can I offer something else besides that for the truce?
 
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