Ok let's say we concede the fact that

[FEARinSEC]

Some people just can't see logic. We take Georgia and South Carolina to the wire and beat South Carolina. Going forward if your team is improving or just staying the same wouldn't you expect them to at least take Missouri and Auburn to the wire or at least be somewhat close? Did the team not look exceptionally improved against Georgia and South Carolina and looked anemic against Alabama, Missouri, and Auburn? Isn't this the definition of regression. We weren't even staying the same. Weren't you sunshine pumpers saying we were going to beat Missouri and Auburn? You must have been somewhat shocked and disappointed?

Easy, they were both over rated. The others, not so much. How's that for logic?

 

[JettVol]

The 2 coaching mistakes that I could take away from that game.

1. kick the ball out of bounds, yes it is playing keep away, but you cant just let them continue to run kicks back on you.

2. On defense completely load the box, yes 8-10 guy up front and make that kid throw a pass, even if they complete a 80 yard TD, does it make it better than a 80 yard run???

If we aren't faster than our opponent its not going to matter anyways, at least if you blitz the crap out of them you might get a turnover or guess the correct gap and hold them for a loss, before the QB gets outside and them goes to the house. The stops for AU had to come in the backfield, we can't catch them/him in open space, no one on the team could obviously.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Hey genius, have you even watched the games. The regression is in how we have been playing, not that we're losing. We haven't even been remotely competitive. We've been totally obliterated. Our defense is the same sorry sad sack pitiful piece of crap that we watched last year. No improvement whatsoever. Furthermore, we have performed worse on offense, defense, and special teams as the year has gone on. We haven't seen progress, we're seeing each week a bigger crap performance than the week before.

Good grief, I think the majority of our fan base must be alumni of Tennessee School for the Blind !!!

Do you want to have a discussion, or just throw insults around. Conduct yourself any way you see fit.




So, back to my analogy... You're saying that the golden gloves welter weight wouldn't get hit more often by Mike Tyson, or get pinned against the ropes any more than usual. He'd just lose after looking just as sharp as he did winning against a golden gloves boxer.

Of course UT will look worse against better competition. That's the point.

 

[oregonvol]

comparing Auburn versus Tennessee is comparing apples to oranges. Would you "others" not concede the point that it is OK to expect the team to improve or at least "stay the same" and not regress from game to game like they have done for the last three games? Should we not expect their special teams play to at least continue to get better and not worse as the season progresses?

Makes perfect sense, but you have to realize that most on here spent 3 years defending Dooley. We could lose all of our games for the next two years and some of them would still refuse to hold Butch Jones accountable.

 

[tallyho]

comparing Auburn versus Tennessee is comparing apples to oranges. Would you "others" not concede the point that it is OK to expect the team to improve or at least "stay the same" and not regress from game to game like they have done for the last three games? Should we not expect their special teams play to at least continue to get better and not worse as the season progresses?

I believe the Vols have not regressed...I think that after we played well against UGA and USC at home then went through Bama, Mizzou and Auburn the competition increased and we weren't able to rise to the occassion.

Against Vandy we should play at the same level as we did in the Georgia and South Carolina games since its a home game and we had a week off. Plus the Vols are in playoff situation like a quarterfinal game where if you lose you are out of the tournament. If you win you move to the semis against Kentucky in Lexington and if you win there your off to Memphis and North Texas or whoever for the cup (bowl). That's the way I would be pushing it to the team...forget about all other games and play the next three as if you were in tournament play.

 

[Sandvol]

Easy, they were both over rated. The others, not so much. How's that for logic?

Not well thought out.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

comparing Auburn versus Tennessee is comparing apples to oranges. Would you "others" not concede the point that it is OK to expect the team to improve or at least "stay the same" and not regress from game to game like they have done for the last three games? Should we not expect their special teams play to at least continue to get better and not worse as the season progresses?

We are playing Vanderbilt and Kentucky the Next 2 weeks. we can sit here and cry about the Auburn game which was over last weekend or we can focus on Vandy and the future.

Whether we like it or not CBJ is going to get at least 3 years as our coach, unless something catastrophic happens. Either we show up to the Vanderbilt game and try to help this team win, which helps recruiting when you have a full house and Win or we sit on VN crying.

I do not want to go through another coaching change in 3 years, I would rather be competing for championships, and the only way we get to that point is recruiting, and this staff is doing a d@mn good job in that department.

This program needs a bowl game this year, if for nothing else the extra practices. Why not try to help this team get to a bowl, instead of tear it down?

I wish just for one week, people can put all the negative things aside and support this team and the coaching staff.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Some people just can't see logic. We take Georgia and South Carolina to the wire and beat South Carolina. Going forward if your team is improving or just staying the same wouldn't you expect them to at least take Missouri and Auburn to the wire or at least be somewhat close? Did the team not look exceptionally improved against Georgia and South Carolina and looked anemic against Alabama, Missouri, and Auburn? Isn't this the definition of regression? We weren't even staying the same. Weren't you sunshine pumpers saying we were going to beat Missouri and Auburn? You must have been somewhat shocked and disappointed?

UT's defense played each of those teams on par with pretty much everyone else that has played them. UT began playing their 3rd string, freshman QB at the beginning of that run.

 

[Sandvol]

We are playing Vanderbilt and Kentucky the Next 2 weeks. we can sit here and cry about the Auburn game which was over last weekend or we can focus on Vandy and the future.

Whether we like it or not CBJ is going to get at least 3 years as our coach, unless something catastrophic happens. Either we show up to the Vanderbilt game and try to help this team win, which helps recruiting when you have a full house and Win or we sit on VN crying.

I do not want to go through another coaching change in 3 years, I would rather be competing for championships, and the only way we get to that point is recruiting, and this staff is doing a d@mn good job in that department.

This program needs a bowl game this year, if for nothing else the extra practices. Why not try to help this team get to a bowl, instead of tear it down?

I wish just for one week, people can put all the negative things aside and support this team and the coaching staff.

I agree with all these points except the tearing down part. We're not tearing it down but just raising concern on a message board.

 

[oregonvol]

We are playing Vanderbilt and Kentucky the Next 2 weeks. we can sit here and cry about the Auburn game which was over last weekend or we can focus on Vandy and the future.

Whether we like it or not CBJ is going to get at least 3 years as our coach, unless something catastrophic happens. Either we show up to the Vanderbilt game and try to help this team win, which helps recruiting when you have a full house and Win or we sit on VN crying.

I do not want to go through another coaching change in 3 years, I would rather be competing for championships, and the only way we get to that point is recruiting, and this staff is doing a d@mn good job in that department.

This program needs a bowl game this year, if for nothing else the extra practices. Why not try to help this team get to a bowl, instead of tear it down?

I wish just for one week, people can put all the negative things aside and support this team and the coaching staff.

People have been supporting this staff all season. How many teams who haven't had a winning season in 3 years have gotten 90,000+ to their games?

If you are expecting total complacency and no criticism throughout 100% of the fanbase, then you have silly expectations. As is, this team is as well supported as any 4-6 team in the nation.

 

[rjd970]

(A) Please define "regress" before we have the conversation. By "regress", do you mean play worse, lose worse?

The past three games, we have played Alabama, MO and Auburn. Alabama is undefeated and has pounded everyone they've played except A&M. MO has pounded everyone they've played except SCe. Auburn has scored a bunch of points this year.

We have played a true freshman QB the past 3 games.

We beat up the first two. Lost the second two. W, L, W, L, L, L

I'm not so sure we've "regressed" as much as played to our potential against the competition we faced each week.

(B) Why are you so all-fired excited to come up with a valid reason our coaching staff sucks?

I mean... It just seams that way. "Well, if the first argument failed, can we consider this one?"

I would guarantee AU plays Bama better than us. And while we have played Freshman at QB...AU is also playing a converted CB at QB. The difference in one year between AU and UT is striking, even accounting for 3 years of Dooley, brutal schedule, ect.

Auburn didn't win a single conference game last year and is playing for a SECw championship this year. It would be one thing if AU improved to 8-4, or even 9-3....sure, the situation is different....but they are going into the Iron Bowl with one freaking loss, its perfectly valid to ask how they go from zero conf wins to 1 loss....and UT has one conference win and fighting just to be bowl eligible, both with first year head coaches taking over teams with losing records last year (AUs even being worse).

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

i would hope for at least a h@ll of a lot better special team play, and on the d you know vandy is going to run them 2 play a got 5oo yards on, hope we did adjust to that.:lolabove:

huh?

 

[Nashvol2]

This team hasn't regressed. They lost to better teams the past 3 weeks. I'll concede that they might have been intimidated by Alabama but that red team was 100 times better than ours. Fact!

Ultimately, if your expectations are not in order than you will be very dissapointed in the results. And some are stretching that into things like "regression" and "giving up." We are where we are in this rebuilding process and Butch has shown that there is light at the end of the tunnel. We all hope that Butch can get us out of the tunnel as quickly as possible but we are in the tunnel none the less.

 

[Sandvol]

UT's defense played each of those teams on par with pretty much everyone else that has played them. UT began playing their 3rd string, freshman QB at the beginning of that run.

You actually did make a good point there. I have been waiting for someone to raise that point but it still doesn't explain the special teams play which is all about the team buying into the coaching staff.

 

[FEARinSEC]

Not well thought out.

Look, I'm just as disappointed as anyone about how this season has played out. However, I'm not going to worry about it until Butch and Co. have had time to right the ship. If you expected different results from a staff that has not even been on the job for 1 year, then you are the one who has not put a lot of thought into it.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You actually did make a good point there. I have been waiting for someone to raise that point but it still doesn't explain the special teams play which is all about the team buying into the coaching staff.

Please support that assertion.

 

[rjd970]

This team hasn't regressed. They lost to better teams the past 3 weeks. I'll concede that they might have been intimidated by Alabama but that red team was 100 times better than ours. Fact!

Ultimately, if your expectations are not in order than you will be very dissapointed in the results. And some are stretching that into things like "regression" and "giving up." We are where we are in this rebuilding process and Butch has shown that there is light at the end of the tunnel. We all hope that Butch can get us out of the tunnel as quickly as possible but we are in the tunnel none the less.

I think comparing the AU and UT situations....it looks like regression by comparison. Again, AU is one win away from playing for a SEC championship. How about that for tempered AU expectations at the beginning of the year? I'm sure they would have been happy with 7 wins, not knowing anything else.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You actually did make a good point there. I have been waiting for someone to raise that point but it still doesn't explain the special teams play which is all about the team buying into the coaching staff.

And for that record, if you were waiting for someone to make that point, why didn't you?

:hi:

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

I would guarantee AU plays Bama better than us. And while we have played Freshman at QB...AU is also playing a converted CB at QB. The difference in one year between AU and UT is striking, even accounting for 3 years of Dooley, brutal schedule, ect.

Auburn didn't win a single conference game last year and is playing for a SECw championship this year. It would be one thing if AU improved to 8-4, or even 9-3....sure, the situation is different....but they are going into the Iron Bowl with one freaking loss, its perfectly valid to ask how they go from zero conf wins to 1 loss....and UT has one conference win and fighting just to be bowl eligible, both with first year head coaches taking over teams with losing records last year (AUs even being worse).

Do you pay attention to sports, or do you just look at the box scores and go from there. CGM is one year removed from AU. He recruited most if not all of the players there, except for sophomores MAYBE.

Are you seriously asking how a coach that was at AU for 3 years, that recruited there for 3 years, leave for 1 year and come back and have success. While running the same system that he ran for three years while he was there and is running now. Is that the question that you are asking?

 

[oregonvol]

(A) Please define "regress" before we have the conversation. By "regress", do you mean play worse, lose worse?

The past three games, we have played Alabama, MO and Auburn. Alabama is undefeated and has pounded everyone they've played except A&M. MO has pounded everyone they've played except SCe. Auburn has scored a bunch of points this year.

We have played a true freshman QB the past 3 games.

We beat up the first two. Lost the second two. W, L, W, L, L, L

I'm not so sure we've "regressed" as much as played to our potential against the competition we faced each week.

(B) Why are you so all-fired excited to come up with a valid reason our coaching staff sucks?

I mean... It just seams that way. "Well, if the first argument failed, can we consider this one?"

Ummm, we gave up more rushing yards and total yards against Missouri than any FBS team they faced this year. That includes such powerhouses as Toledo, Indiana, and Arkansas State. The only FBS team they beat by a larger margin than us was Kentucky. And we are the only team they've faced all year who hasn't managed to score at least double digit points against them. I think it's pretty fair to say, yes, we "played worse."

 

[Orange_Crush]

Do you pay attention to sports, or do you just look at the box scores and go from there. CGM is one year removed from AU. He recruited most if not all of the players there, except for sophomores MAYBE.

Are you seriously asking how a coach that was at AU for 3 years, that recruited there for 3 years, leave for 1 year and come back and have success. While running the same system that he ran for three years while he was there and is running now. Is that the question that you are asking?

With all of those recruiting classes being top 10 classes...

 

[Sandvol]

And for that record, if you were waiting for someone to make that point, why didn't you?

:hi:

Because that point should be made on your side of the argument.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Because that point should be made on your side of the argument.

Oh... So this is a case where you are trying to make the argument that the staff sucks. It's not about what you know or don't know, but about you successfully making a point, despite facts that you already know. I got ya.

 

[rjd970]

Do you pay attention to sports, or do you just look at the box scores and go from there. CGM is one year removed from AU. He recruited most if not all of the players there, except for sophomores MAYBE.

Are you seriously asking how a coach that was at AU for 3 years, that recruited there for 3 years, leave for 1 year and come back and have success. While running the same system that he ran for three years while he was there and is running now. Is that the question that you are asking?

He had one really great year there with Cam. With the same basic players he leaves and they only win 3 games with zero conference wins. The next year he comes back they are one win away from an SECw championship.

Yes, I'm asking how that happens playing in the SECw, with a converted DB playing QB, and with a defense that is on par with UTs.

 

[Sandvol]

Please support that assertion.

I don't need to support that assertion. Coach Jones supports it because he talks a lot about it all the time- that special teams is about heart. It is 11 guys who want to earn more playing time and trying to show what they can do. Western Carolina, Arkansas State and Florida Atlantic played better on special teams against Auburn than we did. Did they have more talent than us or just better coaching?