Ok let's say we concede the fact that

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titansvolsfaninga said:
Sometimes I wonder how some of our fans can be so out of touch with reality. Some of them are the type to march into their bosses office on the first day and demand a raise, and if they don't get it, something is wrong with the boss.
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Thanks for the salient point.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Sometimes I wonder how some of our fans can be so out of touch with reality. Some of them are the type to march into their bosses office on the first day and demand a raise, and if they don't get it, something is wrong with the boss.
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Actually some of us are like bosses who can accept reasonable underperformance from a new employee.... but not complete failures or regression.
 
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Sandvol said:
That is a reasonable approach. These next two games will be big for CBJ.
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Your absolutely right and for the young guys. Actually even the Sr's to finish their career at UT being able to go bowling. CBJ needs to finish strong this year, get us to a bowl. Gets extra practices for the young guys, helps gain recruiting momentum and for spring practice and beyond. Not to mention its another game for everyone, including HS prospects to see them play on TV. 3 straight yrs and 4 out of 5 yrs without a bowl is unacceptable at UT. Especially with the 12 game schedule and only having to win 6. I definitely would never place blame on CBJ and this staff for not making it, considering what they walked in to and playing 7 teams that were in the top 10 at some point during the year. With our lack of depth and talent combined with that schedule is brutal. Its a brutal schedule for a top 5 team loaded with talent to face. Schedule doesn't look very much easier next season either. Think 2015 is really the yr we start challenging for the East.
 
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87Vol said:
Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh, Waaaaaaaaaahhhhh !!!

Wow, so many excuses in one post that I lost count. However, no amount of excuses is sufficient to account for the fact that we have shown no improvement at all over the Doofus regime. Even if the W-L record was the same, we should at least be holding this coaching staff accountable for not showing at least some competitive improvement. Plus, we have regressed in all phases of the game as the year has gone on. That is unacceptable. Butch and this so called "best staff in America", needed to prove that they were capable of getting these players to overachieve at least a little bit, but it didn't happen. There is no excuse for it, PERIOD.
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Not so eloquent but accurate.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Your absolutely right and for the young guys. Actually even the Sr's to finish their career at UT being able to go bowling. CBJ needs to finish strong this year, get us to a bowl. Gets extra practices for the young guys, helps gain recruiting momentum and for spring practice and beyond. Not to mention its another game for everyone, including HS prospects to see them play on TV. 3 straight yrs and 4 out of 5 yrs without a bowl is unacceptable at UT. Especially with the 12 game schedule and only having to win 6. I definitely would never place blame on CBJ and this staff for not making it, considering what they walked in to and playing 7 teams that were in the top 10 at some point during the year. With our lack of depth and talent combined with that schedule is brutal. Its a brutal schedule for a top 5 team loaded with talent to face. Schedule doesn't look very much easier next season either. Think 2015 is really the yr we start challenging for the East.
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This coaching staff has given me doubt but I hope you're right.
 
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golf437 said:
Lets see not much talent, lack of speed makes it hard to get better.
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No. It does not... and that is if you accept the false premises that talent and speed are sufficient issues to explain the coaching failures.

MUCH less talented teams have performed better on D against these same 3 opponents than UT did.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Let's keep firing and hiring coaches until we find the right ones.:crazy:
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Who suggested that? No one but those using this VERY dishonest debate tactic that amounts to lying.

Pointing out failures is not the same as asking for someone to be fired. If you do not think the DC has underperformed and has earned suspicion or criticism... then you are ignoring the obvious.

I hope he pulls it together. He might. He wouldn't be the first to start slow and then catch fire. But what we are seeing this year is very, very poor coaching on the D side of the ball. Not sure how someone argues that when UT is LAST in D in the SEC.
 
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sjt18 said:
Actually some of us are like bosses who can accept reasonable underperformance from a new employee.... but not complete failures or regression.
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But if YOU give the employees outdated equipment you can't hold them accountable for the output. You have to either get new equipment or accept the output that you are getting from the outdated equipment that you have. Otherwise, you will continue to go through employees that will make your production suffer. But I am sure you know that....
 
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Sandvol said:
That's exactly how it works.
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No... no.... you have to commit to keeping coaches who aren't doing their jobs for 4 or 5 years to be successful.:no:

Jones should get at least 3 years. You just about have to give Jancek at least 2 if you are UT.

Jancek may have been a mistake or he may work OK. I am pretty certain Jones could have found and hired someone better.
 
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sjt18 said:
Who suggested that? No one but those using this VERY dishonest debate tactic that amounts to lying.

Pointing out failures is not the same as asking for someone to be fired. If you do not think the DC has underperformed and has earned suspicion or criticism... then you are ignoring the obvious.

I hope he pulls it together. He might. He wouldn't be the first to start slow and then catch fire. But what we are seeing this year is very, very poor coaching on the D side of the ball. Not sure how someone argues that when UT is LAST in D in the SEC.
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I have seen some fire the coaches post but we all know that is not happening this year.
 
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Bigorangedad3528 said:
Just wondering what you thought Tennessee's record would be at the start of the year?
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I was hoping for 7 or 8 wins (if you count the bowl game).

However, I was expecting at least 6 wins, but it looks like we'll only get 5. That's because I don't expect to beat Vandy, who I think is a little bit better team. I do expect to beat Kensucky. Even beating Kensucky is not a given however, considering the way we are playing. Therefore, we we could wind up 4-8, with the most losses in one season in our entire history. Yet even if we do, the majority of our idiot fan base will be there to lay down the excuses.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. It does not... and that is if you accept the false premises that talent and speed are sufficient issues to explain the coaching failures.

MUCH less talented teams have performed better on D against these same 3 opponents than UT did.
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how do some people remain so oblivious to this?
 
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sjt18 said:
No... no.... you have to commit to keeping coaches who aren't doing their jobs for 4 or 5 years to be successful.:no:

Jones should get at least 3 years. You just about have to give Jancek at least 2 if you are UT.

Jancek may have been a mistake or he may work OK. I am pretty certain Jones could have found and hired someone better.
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I agree they have to give Jancek 2 years if they do not the perception in the coaching world would become if you fail in year one you will be fired.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
But if YOU give the employees outdated equipment you can't hold them accountable for the output.
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Yes... you can. You hold them accountable for using that equipment to its best potential. With this roster, that isn't competing for the SEC. It also isn't losing six to 8 games.

You have to either get new equipment or accept the output that you are getting from the outdated equipment that you have. Otherwise, you will continue to go through employees that will make your production suffer. But I am sure you know that....
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If an employee will not run the old equipment well... there is almost no chance they will do better with the new equipment except to the degree the equipment runs itself.

IOW's, if Jancek is a coach who gets the most out of the talent he has... he'll do it when he has little and do it when he has alot. If he's a coach who doesn't... then he will likely undercoach alot of talent just as surely as he HAS undercoached less talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
Jancek may have been a mistake or he may work OK. I am pretty certain Jones could have found and hired someone better.
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no doubt that he could have found someone better.

doubtful that he could have hired anyone better, given the salary cap restrictions administered by cheek et al.
 
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Bigorangedad3528 said:
Just wondering what you thought Tennessee's record would be at the start of the year?
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Six minimum. However six would not prove this is the right staff. Seven if the team received great coaching. Eight if the team received great coaching and caught a break or two.

I was looking for them to be "competitive" vs everyone except Oregon and Bama... and I did not expect those to be the embarrassments they were.
 
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tm3 said:
no doubt that he could have found someone better.

doubtful that he could have hired anyone better, given the salary cap restrictions administered by cheek et al.
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Salary and the overall stability of the program. I mean look we are year one and there is some ready to fire coaches.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes... you can. You hold them accountable for using that equipment to its best potential. With this roster, that isn't competing for the SEC. It also isn't losing six to 8 games.



If an employee will not run the old equipment well... there is almost no chance they will do better with the new equipment except to the degree the equipment runs itself.

IOW's, if Jancek is a coach who gets the most out of the talent he has... he'll do it when he has little and do it when he has alot. If he's a coach who doesn't... then he will likely undercoach alot of talent just as surely as he HAS undercoached less talent.
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Huh? Are you drunk? So it's the EMPLOYEES fault that the equipment is outdated. The employee is maximizing the output, but its still their fault. You are truly a piece of work.
 
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tm3 said:
no doubt that he could have found someone better.

doubtful that he could have hired anyone better, given the salary cap restrictions administered by cheek et al.
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Not sure what those were but I still think he could have gotten someone better than Jancek at $475K.
 
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Chilmonty said:
I don't think we have regressed as much as our late season opponents have improved dramatically!

What most considered possible wins, Mizzou and AU are currently #8 and #6! WTH????



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I can't pay attention to anything you post with that avatar!!
 
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