OK, TD or not TD, that is the question....

[YankeeVol]

No. It's not hard to see if you take off the orange glasses

 

[82_VOL_83]

You know, the more I watch that gif, I have two thoughts -

1. Was his thumb (along with the rest of his hand, obviously) still on the ball when it crossed the plane? If so, I guess I can see the argument that he still had possession (or at least, see the argument that it was inconclusive)

2. Does it look to anyone else that if he had just kept two hands on it, he might have made it to the plane before his knees touched anyway?

1. Point I have been trying to make. I think the thumb is the key.
2. I believe that you are correct sir.:hi:

 

[JMSqb11]

Then you also need to learn that all ya have to do is touch the plane of the goal line with the ball. After that it doesn't matter if it comes out or not!

It was a fumble dude. As much as I hated it. Even Pig's reaction was all I needed to see. He had to no reaction and wasn't arguing the call with the ref or jawing on the sideline. He didn't palm the end of the ball or have it secured. What you are implying is that I could run towards the endzone juggling the ball and once I cross, I score regardless if I am juggling the football from hand to hand.

 

[82_VOL_83]

If that were true, his right hand would be moving away from his left. It's simple physics man, he lost control, and the motion you see is the applied force from losing the ball

Thanks Sheldon.....good analysis, wrong universe.

 

[Bryan1]

It was a fumble dude. As much as I hated it. Even Pig's reaction was all I needed to see. He had to no reaction and wasn't arguing the call with the ref or jawing on the sideline. He didn't palm the end of the ball or have it secured. What you are implying is that I could run towards the endzone juggling the ball and once I cross, I score regardless if I am juggling the football from hand to hand.

Thing is, it wasn't moving from hand to hand. He let go of it with his right hand, reach with the ball in his left hand. I wasn't implying that he was juggling the ball. It clearly came out, but I still believe it broke the plane first!

 

[Bryan1]

the ball floated across the goalline by itself that was very clear

I guess the ball floated from the line of scrimmage all the way to the goal line, guess it was that clear!

 

[Boca Vol]

Seen that called a TD more often than not. Still, what's done is done. Mr. Ritter & Mr. Slive have saved yet another SEC "window dressing". It's all about the $$$. Pig Howard, you made a valiant effort & the VOLS gave it their all. CBJ & this team has it going.

Ritter had nothing to do with that call. It was up to the replay official and all scoring plays get reviewed.

 

[Jake]

Fumble

 

[VolsSportsFan]

One thing is clear, those who say it wasn't a fumble are clearly in the minority.

 

[82_VOL_83]

2/3 say no, which is actually higher than I expected but it still means a third of our fan base is in a serious state of denial right now.

LOL that this is what you take from the pole. The point here is that it is inconclusive. To overturn a call it has to be basically a unanimous decision by the refs, both those reviewing and the referee. Fortunately, jury decisions have to be unanimous. Good thing we don't convict on 2/3 of a jury. I am not comparing this to a trial (but you may take it that way), I am just saying that the call was a TD, there isn't a unanimous opinion here to overturn to a fumble.

Admittedly, many of us are homers, but several of us are seeing the same thing. If it was CLEARLY a fumble prior to a TD, I would call it that way. I just don't see the evidence to overturn.

 

[orangetd88]

There's no question, it was a fumble. There were several questionable calls yesterday, but this was not one of them.

 

[82_VOL_83]

One thing is clear, those who say it wasn't a fumble are clearly in the minority.

Meaning that it isn't unanimous.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

LOL that this is what you take from the pole. The point here is that it is inconclusive. To overturn a call it has to be basically a unanimous decision by the refs, both those reviewing and the referee. Fortunately, jury decisions have to be unanimous. Good thing we don't convict on 2/3 of a jury. I am not comparing this to a trial (but you may take it that way), I am just saying that the call was a TD, there isn't a unanimous opinion here to overturn to a fumble.

Admittedly, many of us are homers, but several of us are seeing the same thing. If it was CLEARLY a fumble prior to a TD, I would call it that way. I just don't see the evidence to overturn.

What are you smoking? The vast majority of those taking the poll say it was a fumble.

How you can spin that to state that the consensus is it's inconclusive is beyond me.

 

[82_VOL_83]

What are you smoking? The vast majority of those taking the poll say it was a fumble.

How you can spin that to state that the consensus is it's inconclusive is beyond me.

in·dis·put·a·ble
indisˈpyo͞otəbəl/Submit
adjective
1.
unable to be challenged or denied.
"a far from indisputable fact"
synonyms: incontrovertible, incontestable, undeniable, irrefutable, beyond dispute, unassailable, unquestionable, beyond question, indubitable, not in doubt, beyond doubt, beyond a shadow of a doubt, unarguable, airtight, watertight.

So 75% to you is indisputable? SMH.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Meaning that it isn't unanimous.

Come on....you're really reaching here. For one, it wouldn't matter what happened, there will always be some blind homer that would say he scored, so you would never get a "unanimous" opinion here.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

in·dis·put·a·ble
indisˈpyo͞otəbəl/Submit
adjective
1.
unable to be challenged or denied.
"a far from indisputable fact"
synonyms: incontrovertible, incontestable, undeniable, irrefutable, beyond dispute, unassailable, unquestionable, beyond question, indubitable, not in doubt, beyond doubt, beyond a shadow of a doubt, unarguable, airtight, watertight.

So 75% to you is indisputable? SMH.

Yes; because this isn't a jury in a court of law. Your comparison is highly flawed.

Obama didn't unanimously win the votes, I guess he shouldn't be president either.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Come on....you're really reaching here. For one, it wouldn't matter what happened, there will always be some blind homer that would say he scored, so you would never get a "unanimous" opinion here.

I would agree that 1 out of 181 would be a homer, but it is about 25% which I would say would make the call on the field (WERE WE THE REFS) stand.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I would agree that 1 out of 181 would be a homer, but it is about 25% which I would say would make the call on the field (WERE WE THE REFS) stand.

Again, you're reaching. 75% saw what the replay official saw. If you don't think that significant, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[American Pig]

Facts Matter: He possessed the ball as it touched the plane. Dropping it after touching the plane is irrelevant. That's a touchdown. Pig scored.

That's a touchdown people. Overturning that score is an outrage.

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[VolsSportsFan]

Facts Matter: He possessed the ball as it touched the plane. Dropping it after touching the plane is irrelevant. That's a touchdown. Pig scored.

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Just because you call something a fact doesn't make it one.

 

[American Pig]

Again, you're reaching. 75% saw what the replay official saw. If you don't think that significant, then I don't know what to tell you.

Unless you can show me where his hand is not in contact with ball as he touches the plane, you have absolutely ZERO basis to claim irrefutable proof exists that he lost possession prior to touchdown.

Is his hand still in contact with ball as he touches the plane?

That's a touchdown people. Overturning that score is an outrage.

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[VolsSportsFan]

Unless you can show me where his hand is not in contact with ball as he touches the plane, you have absolutely ZERO basis to claim irrefutable proof exists that he lost possession prior to touchdown.

Is his hand still in contact with ball as he touches the plane?

Yes in contact. No he doesn't have possession. Case closed.

 

[American Pig]

Yes in contact. No he doesn't have possession. Case closed.

Explain how a football still in grasp of fingers and thumbs is proof of lost possession?

What indisputable evidence do you have to claim possession was lost BEFORE contacting the stripe?

(fact) His thumb and fingers are still on ball at stripe.

That's a touchdown people. Overturning that score is an outrage.

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[American Pig]

Well done Pig. You delivered the ball to the stripe and then dropped it. You were robbed. The boys in the booth have some explaining to do.

That's a touchdown people. Overturning that score is an outrage.

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[American Pig]

Hey VolSportsFan.


I'm still waiting on that indisputable evidence that Pig lost possession before the stripe?
What indisputable evidence do you have that possession was lost before the stripe?

How does fingers and thumb still on ball at stripe = proof of lost possession?

You may want to get a grip on the rules. The evidence shows clearly that Pig touched the plane with fingers and thumb on ball, then released. Pretending otherwise in the face of clear video evidence is silly. Insisting that indisputable evidence exists that he lost possession is absurd.

That's a touchdown people. Overturning that score is an outrage.

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