OK, TD or not TD, that is the question....

Did Pig score in OT or not?

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#76
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VolSportsFan

I'm still waiting on that indisputable evidence that pig lost possession before the stripe?
What indisputable evidence do you have that possession was lost before the stripe?

How does fingers and thumb still on ball at stripe = proof of lost possession?

You may want to get a grip on the rules. The evidence shows clearly that pig touched the plane with fingers and thumb on ball, then released. Pretending pig dropped the ball before the stripe in the face of clear video evidence is silly. Insisting that indisputable evidence exists that he lost possession before the stripe is absurd.
 
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#77
#77
Looks like 71% don't understand that releasing the ball after touching the plane is not a fumble. It's a touchdown.

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That's a touchdown people. Overturning that score is an outrage.

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#78
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Mods, close the poll if you can, looks like a 25/75 or so split...... We are down to beating a dead horse.
 
#83
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VolsSportsFan said:
Or 71% aren't blind, or a homer.

When this many people are telling you you're wrong, maybe you should listen.
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It's those pesky facts you desperately refuse to face.
When you ignore facts and refuse to answer directly relevant questions about the facts, you KNOW you are dead wrong.

Explain how a football still in grasp of fingers and thumbs is proof of lost possession?

What indisputable evidence do you have to claim possession was lost BEFORE contacting the stripe?

(fact) His thumb and fingers are still on ball at stripe.

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That's a touchdown people. Overturning that score is an outrage.

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I know you wanted it to be a touchdown man, we all did. But you're going way overboard.

The sports talk shows have been asked about it probably 100 times today, and they said "it was a fumble, even coach Jones admitted it was a fumble. He said 'I wish I could sit here and say it was a touchdown, I wish I could look Alton in the eyes and tell him he got in, but it wasn't and he didn't', we just have to make sure we grow from this and it doesn't happen again."
 
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#85
#85
I wanted so badly for it to be a TD...but it wasn't. Yes, he was still touching the ball at the line, but he didn't have posession...maybe next time. GBO!!!
 
#86
#86
why do players reach out with one hand where the ball can be easily fumbled instead of using two hands?
 
#87
#87
Does anyone have an angle that clearly shows the ball is out of his hand before he crosses the line? The one in the gif doesn't show that, and I've watched it frame-by-frame.

Is there another angle?
 
#88
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WriterVol said:
Does anyone have an angle that clearly shows the ball is out of his hand before he crosses the line? The one in the gif doesn't show that, and I've watched it frame-by-frame.

Is there another angle?
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it wasn't completely out of his hand but it was out of his control
 
#89
#89
It was 110% a TD. There is absolutely no doubt. We wuz robbed.

Everyone who voted no is suffering from Dooleyitis. IT WAS A TD.
 
#90
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utvolpj said:
it wasn't completely out of his hand but it was out of his control
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Look, honestly, I get that the probability is that it's out of his control before he touches the plane, but the angle doesn't show where that happens until there is separation from the hand, and that doesn't happen until it's already crossed the plane. I can't establish a moment between the time he takes one hand off and the ball gets separation that control is lost. The momentum of the ball clearly goes forward with his hand until it falls down from his grip.

Probability does not make certainty and without certainty there is no irrefutability, which was my understanding to be the burden of proof needed to overturn a call on the field.

I know this is an academic exercise at this point, and any argument amounts to a hill of beans, but I have yet to find a frame showing clear loss of control before the ball crosses the plane. Short of that, do not the rules stipulate the call on the field must stand?
 
#91
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82_VOL_83 said:
LOL that this is what you take from the pole. The point here is that it is inconclusive. To overturn a call it has to be basically a unanimous decision by the refs, both those reviewing and the referee. Fortunately, jury decisions have to be unanimous. Good thing we don't convict on 2/3 of a jury. I am not comparing this to a trial (but you may take it that way), I am just saying that the call was a TD, there isn't a unanimous opinion here to overturn to a fumble.

Admittedly, many of us are homers, but several of us are seeing the same thing. If it was CLEARLY a fumble prior to a TD, I would call it that way. I just don't see the evidence to overturn.
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So, because 1/3rd of homer fans are disputing it, you assume that 1/3rd of unbiased, neutral observers would dispute it?

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: if "indisputable" means that every single homer fan is convinced, then there is no call that will ever be "indisputable".
 
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#92
#92
Where is footballref when we need him?
I spoke with a ref today who said he couldn't reverse that call either way. he would have deferred to the call on the field.
 
#94
#94
Right here...are his thumb and fore fingers grasping the ball at its end? At this point the question is whether he has control of the ball or not, right? It almost seems like the moment the ball touches the plane, pig flicks his wrist down which caused the ball to move forward faster. At this point, his momentum and the balls momentum are equal, when he flicks his wrist the ball accelerates. I agree it was a fumble but the point where he lost possession is not 100% clear...alls I'm saying
 

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chraos said:
Right here...are his thumb and fore fingers grasping the ball at its end? At this point the question is whether he has control of the ball or not, right? It almost seems like the moment the ball touches the plane, pig flicks his wrist down which caused the ball to move forward faster. At this point, his momentum and the balls momentum are equal, when he flicks his wrist the ball accelerates. I agree it was a fumble but the point where he lost possession is not 100% clear...alls I'm saying
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Clearly, that was an illegal forward pass. Can't understand why it wasn't called.











J/K
 
#96
#96
Pig gave his all on that play! It will come back to him down the road somewhere. Karma will give him one back. It was a fumble though.
 
#97
#97
It was a fumble. I now have a new rule to hate thanks to that play. But as the rule is currently written, the refs made the correct call.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, because 1/3rd of homer fans are disputing it, you assume that 1/3rd of unbiased, neutral observers would dispute it?

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: if "indisputable" means that every single homer fan is convinced, then there is no call that will ever be "indisputable".
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I already tried to make this point. I'm going to assume your attempt will be about as successful as mine.
 
#100
#100
I just can't wait until we destroy South Carolina so we can put this fumble / no fumble behind us.
 
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