Ole Miss vs Tennessee

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Dougie_D said:
Georgia is projected to be in the SEC champ game. Alabama is not.
LSU beat ARK. We lost to ARK.
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Bama has head to head and other tie breakers over Georgia, Ole Miss has head to head over Georgia. The only way Georgia makes the SECCG is if basically everyone finishes with two conference losses and, if so, they would play Bama.
We beat Florida. LSU lost to Florida.
 
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deatojl said:
Bama has head to head and other tie breakers over Georgia, Ole Miss has head to head over Georgia. The only way Georgia makes the SECCG is if basically everyone finishes with two conference losses and, if so, they would play Bama.
We beat Florida. LSU lost to Florida.
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I keep forgetting LSU has only 2 losses in conference
 
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Another point that I feel needs to be made is the playoff committee's stated principles to use when ranking teams, which is on their official website:
  • Strength of schedule,
  • Head-to-head competition,
  • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
  • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
For those who keep pointing to how badly Ole Miss beat Georgia and Arkansas as reasons why that should outweigh their Kentucky loss, the third principle pretty clearly states that margin of victory is not to be used. I'm not saying they don't use it but it is clearly addressed that they are not to.
 
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I don’t disagree on the Tennessee vs. Ole Miss resume comparison, but the bigger point for our program is this:

Had we taken care of business against an inferior Arkansas team and there would be no doubt about us making the playoffs. We wouldn’t even need to have this debate. If you allow your fate to be in the hands of others, this is what you get.

Tennessee is still a program that doesn’t get it done on the biggest stage. That is the hurdle that Coach Heupel must clear to get Tennessee back to a true championship level.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
I don’t understand why it is hard for you all to grasp this.

Ole Miss barely lost both of their losses. Georgia outscored us 31-7 in the last 3 quarters.

Ole Miss absolutely destroyed one of the teams that beat us in that team’s stadium, and really solidly beat the other team at Ole Miss. We squeaked by one team that beat Ole Miss in Neyland and haven’t played the other. They have the more impressive showings and better record against common opponents.

They also destroyed South Carolina in Columbia, so their second best win is far better than our second best win. Even their win over a bad ACC team is better than our win over a bad ACC team, because Wake beat NC State.

Not to mention that their defense has been about on par with ours overall, but their offense has not been woeful for at least half of every conference game like ours has been.
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I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that they lost to Kentucky at home.. They’re 1-6 in the SEC. The only team they could beat was Ole Miss - at Oxford.
 
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Chad F said:
I don’t disagree on the Tennessee vs. Ole Miss resume comparison, but the bigger point for our program is this:

Had we taken care of business against an inferior Arkansas team and there would be no doubt about us making the playoffs. We wouldn’t even need to have this debate. If you allow your fate to be in the hands of others, this is what you get.

Tennessee is still a program that doesn’t get it done on the biggest stage. That is the hurdle that Coach Heupel must clear to get Tennessee back to a true championship level.
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I was with you until the last statement. There's not much of a bigger stage than the Alabama games in 2022 and 2024 and we got it done in both of those situations. We are not yet at the point of consistently delivering on the biggest stage, sure. In looking at this season, though, I can't really say anyone has done that. You might say Oregon has but they have only played one really good team(two if you consider Boise St to be a really good team) and they were really close to losing those. They also beat Idaho by 10 and Wisconsin by 3.
 
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deatojl said:
Another point that I feel needs to be made is the playoff committee's stated principles to use when ranking teams, which is on their official website:
  • Strength of schedule,
  • Head-to-head competition,
  • Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
  • Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
For those who keep pointing to how badly Ole Miss beat Georgia and Arkansas as reasons why that should outweigh their Kentucky loss, the third principle pretty clearly states that margin of victory is not to be used. I'm not saying they don't use it but it is clearly addressed that they are not to.
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Maybe it’s as simple as comparing common opponents then? We have 4 common opponents (KY, GA, OK & Ark). They went 3-1, we went 2-2. That’s a pretty common “tie-breaker” without getting into the weeds about which “bad loss” is “worse”….
 
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luthervol said:
Yea, Dart really feasted on that great KY defense and that nationally ranked LSU d.

So your role is to be as negative as possible on all things TN....I get it (kind of).

Everybody has a role to play.
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Negative or reality? Your original comment spoke about the Vols beating Ole Piss by 17. I called BS and it is SUPPORTED BY FACTS. Our offense is lucky to score 20 + against an SEC defense. The Vols defense has been stellar most of the season. They didn’t show up against the pups. Ole Piss destroyed pups offense and we were non existent. You can sunshine pump all you want but your prediction is ludicrous.
 
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Tenacjim said:
Maybe it’s as simple as comparing common opponents then? We have 4 common opponents (KY, GA, OK & Ark). They went 3-1, we went 2-2. That’s a pretty common “tie-breaker” without getting into the weeds about which “bad loss” is “worse”….
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That is a legitimate data point that would favor Ole Miss. I would argue that our best win and their best win pretty much cancel out and our two losses are better both individually and collectively than their two losses, which would be a legitimate data point for us. Their South Carolina win is currently better than our next best win. I think both teams have a legitimate argument as to which should be ranked higher. Of course, if Florida can knock them off in the swamp this weekend, none of it will matter.
 
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bolvols said:
Negative or reality? Your original comment spoke about the Vols beating Ole Piss by 17. I called BS and it is SUPPORTED BY FACTS. Our offense is lucky to score 20 + against an SEC defense. The Vols defense has been stellar most of the season. They didn’t show up against the pups. Ole Piss destroyed pups offense and we were non existent. You can sunshine pump all you want but your prediction is ludicrous.
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I agree in regard to the assumption we would beat them by 17, although nobody really knows what the outcome would be because hypotheticals are mostly nonsense. I will say, you can't emphatically state your point as being supported by facts then follow up with a statement like "our offense is lucky to score 20+ against SEC defenses. That statement is not factual and I don't recall luck playing any part of the points we have scored. You could argue that our offense has been unlucky in not scoring more points than we have. That would be closer to a true statement, although I don't think "luck" has played much of a role either way.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
I’m of the opinion they have their tentacles in everything
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There should be some heat for everyone associated with it for having Penn State and Notre Dame ranked so high. Notre Dame lost to a 6-5 MAC team AT HOME! That should almost be an automatic disqualifier for them, especially since they don't play in a conference.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
There should be some heat for everyone associated with it for having Penn State and Notre Dame ranked so high. Notre Dame lost to a 6-5 MAC team AT HOME! That should almost be an automatic disqualifier for them, especially since they don't play in a conference.
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Ole Miss lost to 4-6 Kentucky AT HOME as well as 6-4 LSU

Tennessee lost to #10 8-2 Georgia on the road and 5-5 Arkansas on the road

Ole Miss’ best win is #10 Georgia

Tennessee’s best win is #7 Alabama
 
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deatojl said:
I was with you until the last statement. There's not much of a bigger stage than the Alabama games in 2022 and 2024 and we got it done in both of those situations. We are not yet at the point of consistently delivering on the biggest stage, sure. In looking at this season, though, I can't really say anyone has done that. You might say Oregon has but they have only played one really good team(two if you consider Boise St to be a really good team) and they were really close to losing those. They also beat Idaho by 10 and Wisconsin by 3.
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Our wins against Bummer were pi$$ed away by subsequent losses when so much more was still there for the taking. South Carolina (and UGA) in 2022 … UGA (and, inexplicably, Arkansas) in 2024.

But, yes, the team deserves credit for finally breaking through against the Bummers. That was (is) huge.
 
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adam.vol said:
I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that they lost to Kentucky at home.. They’re 1-6 in the SEC. The only team they could beat was Ole Miss - at Oxford.
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And we struggled with Kentucky to a point that we were losing in the second half and only up 3 with 5 minutes to go. You can scream about them losing to Kentucky until you’re blue in the face, but any unbiased look at the resume and the eye test says that Ole Miss is more deserving than us.
 
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adam.vol said:
I don’t understand why you can’t grasp that they lost to Kentucky at home.. They’re 1-6 in the SEC. The only team they could beat was Ole Miss - at Oxford.
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Ole Miss is 2-0 vs the teams we lost too.... That trumps the loss at home to Kentucky..... There is no sane and rational person who thinks that just because Ole Miss lost to Kentucky at home should somehow make their resumê worse than ours. Stop the tomfoolery

of course I don't understand why there is this big commotion pitting Ole Miss vs Tennessee as if we are being picked for the last spot.... There are far more non SEC teams that we are up against that the resumê convo is much more legitimate.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
And we struggled with Kentucky to a point that we were losing in the second half and only up 3 with 5 minutes to go. You can scream about them losing to Kentucky until you’re blue in the face, but any unbiased look at the resume and the eye test says that Ole Miss is more deserving than us.
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No. We beat Kentucky and we are their biggest rival. You can’t justify Ole Miss being their only SEC win and say they deserve to be inside the top 10 of anything.

Georgia is bad and it took the refs to give them a win at home. We would have beaten Georgia the same way we beat everyone else at home because the refs wouldn’t have made it out of Knoxville in one piece if they cheated that badly, surrounded by 100,000 Tennessee fans.

You’re a TN hater and that’s the only valid point you’ve made thus far, by omitting anything negative to the teams you’re comparing TN to.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Ole Miss is 2-0 vs the teams we lost too.... That trumps the loss at home to Kentucky..... There is no sane and rational person who thinks that just because Ole Miss lost to Kentucky at home should somehow make their resumê worse than ours. Stop the tomfoolery

of course I don't understand why there is this big commotion pitting Ole Miss vs Tennessee as if we are being picked for the last spot.... There are far more non SEC teams that we are up against that the resumê convo is much more legitimate.
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So you don’t think being Kentucky’s only win of the season, at home means anything. Ole Miss just took the day off because Kiffin is smarter than everyone else.. I think you’re an Ole Miss fan to fantasize so shamelessly.
 
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adam.vol said:
So you don’t think being Kentucky’s only win of the season, at home means anything. Ole Miss just took the day off because Kiffin is smarter than everyone else.. I think you’re an Ole Miss fan to fantasize so shamelessly.
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Of course it matters, but other factors matter as well.

They have 2 big wins...we have 1.
They have been dominant in a way we have not.
 
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