One of the things that really gets me....

[Sabanocchio]

Hendrix? I could see how his recruitment could rub people the wrong way, but I think he might have been a guy that would have kept Scroggins away.

Hendrix, Brunetti, Rees they were on for a long time. They should have offered both he and Rettig at or shortly after camp.

Scroggins isn't coming here anyway. You can't put all your eggs in one basket. Not when you are UT at this stage. This isn't USC anymore. You have to hit all your targets hard and early. This staff had considerable ground to make up on all of these guys and instead of flooding them all with interest, we focused too hard on one guy -- to our downfall.

That said, the coaches pulling a rabbit out of the hat prior to signing day in terms of a QB would not surprise me. I am at the very least hopeful.

 

[85Destiny]

I think the staffs problem started when they put all the eggs in Heaps basket. Yes, they offered Scroggins but weren't on him hard. Loose Heaps now we do the same with Scroggins.Offer rettig and some others but not on the guys hard. Really it was a slap in the face of rettig to be told to wait then he'd offered when it looks like we missed on Scroggins. BC been on him and was on him hard. That's why he committed to them. He wasn't told to wait by BC. They wanted him.
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This is exactly my point. You run the risk of pissing some people off when you are waiting on another prospect.

 

[imavolsfanforlife]

This is exactly my point. You run the risk of pissing some people of when you are waiting on another prospect.

I dunno but if I were a recruit I would read the top blogs, forums etc of schools I were going to recruit to see what the environment is like. You all so full of drama and whine like a bunch of babies. You win some, you lose some... on the field AND in recruiting. But we aren't trying to win SOME we are trying to win championships... and coming off of a 5-7 record that's gonna take time. We are going to have to go after the best. And right now, we are getting some of them... SOMEHOW. Be grateful and be positive and do your part in giving these kids a reason to come here. That's something our fans seem to have never understood.

Positive people don't gravitate towards negativity. Lane's done a good job so far. We have a lot going for us. So, wait and see. Because in the end, it's all speculation at this point. Being negative before we even know will never help. Being positive and upbeat and supporting your coach and the recruits and players we do have WILL.

 

[85Destiny]

I dunno but if I were a recruit I would read the top blogs, forums etc of schools I were going to recruit to see what the environment is like. You all so full of drama and whine like a bunch of babies. You win some, you lose some... on the field AND in recruiting. But we aren't trying to win SOME we are trying to win championships... and coming off of a 5-7 record that's gonna take time. We are going to have to go after the best. And right now, we are getting some of them... SOMEHOW. Be grateful and be positive and do your part in giving these kids a reason to come here. That's something our fans seem to have never understood.

Positive people don't gravitate towards negativity. Lane's done a good job so far. We have a lot going for us. So, wait and see. Because in the end, it's all speculation at this point. Being negative before we even know will never help. Being positive and upbeat and supporting your coach and the recruits and players we do have WILL.

Are you refering to me?

 

[3L with debt]

with the new staff is somehow they seem to think that they can slow play prospects and get on them later. It's really amazing how things have worked out on the QB front because of this. I have said it once before, that if you are going to take 2 QB's or any other position for that matter, if one of the guys you consider a #2 is ready to commit, then you take him and let the other #2's know that they need to wait and see. This way, if want to slow play the #1 guys and wait at least you have a backup plan already in place and you don't have to try and scramble and make it look like you are in trouble. I realize this is a weak class of QB's, but with a glaring need and no one committed it makes you wonder. They should have also offered most of these guys at camp so when the prospects left they would be on cloud nine and would be VERY happy they came. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think it shows some of the rust these guys have in recruiting QB's. Kiffin and Chaney have recruited QB's before, but they also had teams that were considered offensive juggernauts during the time they were there. I think we will get a QB, but honestly I have NO CLUE who it will be. If Scroggins somehow miraculously commits, I will be at an all day buffet of crow. Have a good evening VN. :hi:

I think you are right. UT just looks desperate right now and the love to a qb prospect may not appear genuine. At the very least, this can be used as a negative by other schools.

 

[kptvol]

I think you are right. UT just looks desperate right now and the love to a qb prospect may not appear genuine. At the very least, this can be used as a negative by other schools.

They really aren't behaving desperately at all.

 

[GAVol]

They really aren't behaving desperately at all.

I'm not seeing that either.

 

[thestrip]

Because that's just the way it works. That's typical number they cut to before the fall. Does that mean all 5 are in it?? Not really, because with success and failures of the teams they are considering that Top 5 could change before December.

:stop: so the top 5 changes based on how well a team does? deep...
i just don't think there is that much difference between #2 and #4 or #5 ... but can you guarantee the ones we've missed out on are the next peyton?

 

[imavolsfanforlife]

Are you refering to me?

This is exactly my point. You run the risk of pissing some people off when you are waiting on another prospect.

I am referring to anybody that is whining on here about Kiffin, rettig, or anything else for that matter. But no, I just hit reply with a quote to the entry at the bottom of my browser when I was reading someone's negative post and started typing.

 

[governmentmule]

See though, it's only a matter of time before you tempt the bear long enough and he eats you. Why not have a #2 already on board?? Sure makes waiting on a #1 MUCH easier.

Well that makes sense Eric ,but I hate to ask this,are we not getting a good QB prospect because we don't have a good QB coach ? Isn't our QB coach, Laylas twiced removed cousins sister ? lol: could that be hurting the Vols too ?seems like a detriment to me

:wavey: just thought I'd ask

 

[VegasVol]

I keep hearing we're in the "top 5" of a "bunch" of elite prospects, but when I look it up on various recruiting boards, I find no such thing. In past years, during our good recruiting years, we finished in the top 5 with about 30% of the top players; I've seen nothing to show we're there yet. Instead, we basically offered everybody under the sun, getting us listed in their sheet, but are usually listed with anywhere from 10 to 20 other programs of interest, not their "top 5." Who exactly are these elite recruits in our top 5? How does that compare to other top-5 caliber recruiting classes/teams? Where is the evidence of this supposed claim?

 

[gorockytop]

No need to get mad at Kiffin we can still get Cam Newton, Garret Grayson, and Scroggins. Heck I like all 3 of those QBs.

 

[cwil74`]

They really aren't behaving desperately at all.

The guys on this board freaking out about the QB situation in July are behaving desperately. Our coaches are doing quite the opposite.

 

[VolDC]

Somebody please axe this thread. It has turned into a whine fest. Everyone of you guys that post on here a lot are now craw fishing the coaching staff, when five months ago, you could not get enough of them. They have not even coached a game yet. That is what I am actually excited about. It will be nice to see second half adjustments on both sides of the ball. No more mustang package! No more rolling over and playing dead in the fourth quarter against teams that have a better talent level than us. We will get a competent qb this year. It will be someone that is under the radar. It will be next year before we land an elite qb. My suggestion would be to quit cannibalizing the coaching staff until we see the product on the field. No one person outside of the war room knows exactly who we went after hardest. We can only go on quotes from these high school kids that generally have pretty big egos. The staff has done a great job recruiting. If they could get everyone it would be called getting and not recruiting. If your not down with that, move to South Carolina and warm up the gas pump for Alshon.k:

 

[VolDC]

I keep hearing we're in the "top 5" of a "bunch" of elite prospects, but when I look it up on various recruiting boards, I find no such thing. In past years, during our good recruiting years, we finished in the top 5 with about 30% of the top players; I've seen nothing to show we're there yet. Instead, we basically offered everybody under the sun, getting us listed in their sheet, but are usually listed with anywhere from 10 to 20 other programs of interest, not their "top 5." Who exactly are these elite recruits in our top 5? How does that compare to other top-5 caliber recruiting classes/teams? Where is the evidence of this supposed claim?

Rivals and Scout do not update that often. That is why you have to have the inside membership to the web sites to get info from the guys that specifically follow Tennessee.

 

[zidanefan]

This is almost comical.

I don't post much, and when I do, it generally doesn't garner any response. Perhaps that's because I don't have a fancy avatar or "UT IS GOD!" motto underneath, or perhaps it's because my posts just aren't that interesting or insightful (I go for some combination of the two).

But, WOW. . . there is a serious need for bi-polar medication in this joint. Cats who could be heard chanting "Fear the Kiffin" and praising him wildly two months ago are suddenly lambasting him for not signing a QB (yet). IT'S JULY. Yes, yes QB's commit early, etc... I understand that. Our wide receiver pool is shallow, our OL pool is puddle-esque, and the staff hasn't been in office for a year, or coached their first game. God have mercy on them (and us) if they (let alone any potential recruits) actually read these boards.

I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been said five different ways. I suppose it's entirely possible that Kiffin and Co. are all sitting in little pools of piss everyday over the QB situation. Lord knows they probably are if they believe there's any correlation between their job security and the fickle opinions on this board. But is there any chance that we should wait until:

1) Scroggins, et al from the 2010 class have signed those LOI's

2) Cam Newton and all the potential Juco's are snatched up

3) They've coached a few games

and, oh yes, can't forget this one,

4) We've given the professional recruiters who pulled Bryce Brown, Janzen Jackson, Nu'Keese Richardson, and Marsalis Teague in last year after only a couple of months on the job the opportunity to at least have a year's worth of time here

before we toss them all directly under the recruiting bus?

There are so many variables here this all just seems completely asinine to me.

Just my opinion. . .

carry on!

:hi:

EDIT: And, VOlDC beat me to it!

 

[Lexvol]

with the new staff is somehow they seem to think that they can slow play prospects and get on them later. It's really amazing how things have worked out on the QB front because of this. I have said it once before, that if you are going to take 2 QB's or any other position for that matter, if one of the guys you consider a #2 is ready to commit, then you take him and let the other #2's know that they need to wait and see. This way, if want to slow play the #1 guys and wait at least you have a backup plan already in place and you don't have to try and scramble and make it look like you are in trouble. I realize this is a weak class of QB's, but with a glaring need and no one committed it makes you wonder. They should have also offered most of these guys at camp so when the prospects left they would be on cloud nine and would be VERY happy they came. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I think it shows some of the rust these guys have in recruiting QB's. Kiffin and Chaney have recruited QB's before, but they also had teams that were considered offensive juggernauts during the time they were there. I think we will get a QB, but honestly I have NO CLUE who it will be. If Scroggins somehow miraculously commits, I will be at an all day buffet of crow. Have a good evening VN. :hi:

Is it really "slow playing" if they are not all that excited about them? People aren't waiting in lines at Best Buy for Playstation 2s anymore because they are a dime a dozen.

LWS has hit the nail on the head with his assessment throughout this process. I don't think our coaches think they have anything to really lose by waiting. They aren't blown away by anything they've seen yet.

They have track record of recognizing and offering exceptional talent based on camps. In other words, if you are good enough, it seems that they offer you on the spot.

 

[ooltewahvol]

This is almost comical.

I don't post much, and when I do, it generally doesn't garner any response. Perhaps that's because I don't have a fancy avatar or "UT IS GOD!" motto underneath, or perhaps it's because my posts just aren't that interesting or insightful (I go for some combination of the two).

But, WOW. . . there is a serious need for bi-polar medication in this joint. Cats who could be heard chanting "Fear the Kiffin" and praising him wildly two months ago are suddenly lambasting him for not signing a QB (yet). IT'S JULY. Yes, yes QB's commit early, etc... I understand that. Our wide receiver pool is shallow, our OL pool is puddle-esque, and the staff hasn't been in office for a year, or coached their first game. God have mercy on them (and us) if they (let alone any potential recruits) actually read these boards.

I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been said five different ways. I suppose it's entirely possible that Kiffin and Co. are all sitting in little pools of piss everyday over the QB situation. Lord knows they probably are if they believe there's any correlation between their job security and the fickle opinions on this board. But is there any chance that we should wait until:

1) Scroggins, et al from the 2010 class have signed those LOI's

2) Cam Newton and all the potential Juco's are snatched up

3) They've coached a few games

and, oh yes, can't forget this one,

4) We've given the professional recruiters who pulled Bryce Brown, Janzen Jackson, Nu'Keese Richardson, and Marsalis Teague in last year after only a couple of months on the job the opportunity to at least have a year's worth of time here

before we toss them all directly under the recruiting bus?

There are so many variables here this all just seems completely asinine to me.

Just my opinion. . .

carry on!

:hi:

EDIT: And, VOlDC beat me to it!

Great post. Post more often

 

[Jewbaccah]

Is it really "slow playing" if they are not all that excited about them? People aren't waiting in lines at Best Buy for Playstation 2s anymore because they are a dime a dozen.

LWS has hit the nail on the head with his assessment throughout this process. I don't think our coaches think they have anything to really lose by waiting. They aren't blown away by anything they've seen yet.

They have track record of recognizing and offering exceptional talent based on camps. In other words, if you are good enough, it seems that they offer you on the spot.

+1

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

This is almost comical.

I don't post much, and when I do, it generally doesn't garner any response. Perhaps that's because I don't have a fancy avatar or "UT IS GOD!" motto underneath, or perhaps it's because my posts just aren't that interesting or insightful (I go for some combination of the two).

But, WOW. . . there is a serious need for bi-polar medication in this joint. Cats who could be heard chanting "Fear the Kiffin" and praising him wildly two months ago are suddenly lambasting him for not signing a QB (yet). IT'S JULY. Yes, yes QB's commit early, etc... I understand that. Our wide receiver pool is shallow, our OL pool is puddle-esque, and the staff hasn't been in office for a year, or coached their first game. God have mercy on them (and us) if they (let alone any potential recruits) actually read these boards.

I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been said five different ways. I suppose it's entirely possible that Kiffin and Co. are all sitting in little pools of piss everyday over the QB situation. Lord knows they probably are if they believe there's any correlation between their job security and the fickle opinions on this board. But is there any chance that we should wait until:

1) Scroggins, et al from the 2010 class have signed those LOI's

2) Cam Newton and all the potential Juco's are snatched up

3) They've coached a few games

and, oh yes, can't forget this one,

4) We've given the professional recruiters who pulled Bryce Brown, Janzen Jackson, Nu'Keese Richardson, and Marsalis Teague in last year after only a couple of months on the job the opportunity to at least have a year's worth of time here

before we toss them all directly under the recruiting bus?

There are so many variables here this all just seems completely asinine to me.

Just my opinion. . .

carry on!

:hi:

EDIT: And, VOlDC beat me to it!

People keep referencing what's in bold, but the problem with it is they flipped a couple of players, not a whole class. It's not something they are going to make a living doing and it was something last year that just happened. If they have to go into December and January with the intent of flipping players, we WILL not be successful here.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Is it really "slow playing" if they are not all that excited about them? People aren't waiting in lines at Best Buy for Playstation 2s anymore because they are a dime a dozen.

LWS has hit the nail on the head with his assessment throughout this process. I don't think our coaches think they have anything to really lose by waiting. They aren't blown away by anything they've seen yet.

They have track record of recognizing and offering exceptional talent based on camps. In other words, if you are good enough, it seems that they offer you on the spot.

If they want to wait, that's up to them. The only issue I have with what they have done is they could have had a legit #2 guy by now at least to fill a part of the need they have. If they wanted to wait on a #1 guy, it makes the process MUCH easier than having to fill two spots later on and trying to flip one guy, which is what I think they believe they can do.

 

[Lexvol]

If they want to wait, that's up to them. The only issue I have with what they have done is they could have had a legit #2 guy by now at least to fill a part of the need they have. If they wanted to wait on a #1 guy, it makes the process MUCH easier than having to fill two spots later on and trying to flip one guy, which is what I think they believe they can do.

The boards say that he was the number 2 guy....I'm not completely convinced of the differences between 1,2,3,4,5,6....ect. If he had blown them away they would have offered. It is not slow playing, it is compromising a value system that you have sold to the rest of the team.

 

[cwil74`]

If they want to wait, that's up to them. The only issue I have with what they have done is they could have had a legit #2 guy by now at least to fill a part of the need they have. If they wanted to wait on a #1 guy, it makes the process MUCH easier than having to fill two spots later on and trying to flip one guy, which is what I think they believe they can do.

Why are you so convinced that they are taking 2 high school kids this year? If the class is so bad, maybe they'll only take one high schooler. Lamaison is a lock.

 

[VolDC]

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Sabanocchio
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governmentmule


Quit Whining! Let the coaches coach!

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

The boards say that he was the number 2 guy....I'm not completely convinced of the differences between 1,2,3,4,5,6....ect. If he had blown them away they would have offered. It is not slow playing, it is compromising a value system that you have sold to the rest of the team.

Once again, why offer this late if they didn't believe that?? See, that's what's most confusing because it seems that they were playing damage control with him by offering him that late. Also, Tommy Rees was offered bdfore him and I think that might have sealed the deal with Rettig going to BC. Rettig has been said to be one of the top guys in this year's class without having a big ranking. So, if your not taking the top guys, then why are we offering?? The only top guy we have a shot with right now is Scroggins, and he's piggy backing USC by all accounts so that doesn't seem realistic either.