OU DT Charles Walker leaving during season to prepare for NFL Draft

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butchna said:
It's going to hurt him when they run em in shorts and ask em questions. They LOOK for red flags at that pony show. He emailed his in early.
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Possibly, but his coach threw him under the bus for his own self-serving interest and I suspect it doesn't help the coach in the future either or the program.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Possibly, but his coach threw him under the bus for his own self-serving interest and I suspect it doesn't help the coach in the future either or the program.
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Stoops will be more than fine. Not a fan myself, but his last two seasons show he hasn't tanked it up. And comments like these aren't unique in the coaching world. Imagine Saban's thoughts/words if Jonathan Allen made a similar move. Most fans don't disagree with the baseline thought.
 
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butchna said:
Stoops will be more than fine. Not a fan myself, but his last two seasons show he hasn't tanked it up. And comments like these aren't unique in the coaching world. Imagine Saban's thoughts/words if Jonathan Allen made a similar move. Most fans don't disagree with the baseline thought.
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If I remember correctly Saban just didn't want him going to a SEC school which he said was the norm. Even if he did, its self-serving bs if that is the case, I honestly don't remember him bad mouthing a kid.

LSU has had some dismissals from the team, not one word from coaching staff as to why other than.... violation of team rules or similar. The coach is butthurt and looks like a baby.... a baby with a big bank account.

I'm not sure if this coach would appreciate this guy calling up OK recruits and telling them why they shouldn't go there... yet that is basically what he did.

Is the coach all crying because he didn't finish the year or that he plans on declaring? What does it matter? It doesn't.
 
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butchna said:
For your analogy to work, the NFL would need to be able to use his services immediately. A newly hired coach starts recruiting and setting up his staff for his new employer...vital stuff...and most likely with the blessing of his former boss. Because they pretty much all get started under similar circumstances. This kid is skipping out to prepare for a combine and pro days months away. Fair or unfair (I vote fair), this smacks of lack of dedication.

Edit: I'll add for the benefit of your analogy. Stoops would have had to resign to PREPARE to be interviewed for a yet unnamed job.
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The coach is immediately preparing for the new job, and so is Charles Walker. The combine is months away, just like Signing Day and the start of a new season are for the coach. I don't see the distinction.
 
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butchna said:
It's going to hurt him when they run em in shorts and ask em questions. They LOOK for red flags at that pony show. He emailed his in early.
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This is a much less damaging red flag for him than a serious injury would be
 
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NashVol11 said:
This is a much less damaging red flag for him than a serious injury would be
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Disagree. You can rehab injuries. If you're branded a me first malcontent, it's hard to defeat that notion. Your college coaches are your most significant references at draft time. They gonna go with his pastor?
 
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NashVol11 said:
The coach is immediately preparing for the new job, and so is Charles Walker. The combine is months away, just like Signing Day and the start of a new season are for the coach. I don't see the distinction.
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Then you'd suck as a recruiter. You think they'd land anybody if they STARTED in February? They're already way behind and that first class is patchwork...if they're hired in December. The next draft is April 27...how much is he gaining physically with the extra two months that will offset the quitting his team redflag?
 
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butchna said:
Then you'd suck as a recruiter. You think they'd land anybody if they STARTED in February? They're already way behind and that first class is patchwork...if they're hired in December. The next draft is April 27...how much is he gaining physically with the extra two months that will offset the quitting his team redflag?
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The combine is in early March. Do you think athletes would perform well there if they STARTED training in March?
 
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butchna said:
Disagree. You can rehab injuries. If you're branded a me first malcontent, it's hard to defeat that notion. Your college coaches are your most significant references at draft time. They gonna go with his pastor?
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You can't rehab anywhere close to all injuries. Dozens of NFL superstars have been "malcontents." Dez Bryant got kicked off his team for lying to NCAA investigators or whatever; how's he doing?
 
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NashVol11 said:
The combine is in early March. Do you think athletes would perform well there if they STARTED training in March?
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Thinking more mid January. The ones that get drafted highly have been using that time frame VERY well. :)
 
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NashVol11 said:
You can't rehab anywhere close to all injuries. Dozens of NFL superstars have been "malcontents." Dez Bryant got kicked off his team for lying to NCAA investigators or whatever; how's he doing?
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Gundy didn't kick him off the team. The NCAA disqualified him (or whatever). :lol:
 
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NashVol11 said:
So you're telling him how much time he needs to prepare for his job interview.

Pretty paternalistic, no?
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No...realistic. He's going to eat like a pig during the holidays and get started basically around the same time as his former teammates. Not really a selling point to the dudes evaluating him as a future teammate.
 
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Did this guy play in the OU vs Texas Tech game ? If he did he wasnt much of a factor
 
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Freak said:
Sounds like a familiar story: has a concussion, not sure how much he'll play.

Stoops didn't mince words: "Quitting on your teammates is hard to take as a coach."

Thoughts?
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This was DC Mike Stoops, not Bob, just as a side note
 
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butchna said:
Yeah the NFL teams considering drafting him are huge on player rights. :)
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That addresses the quitting accusations. As far as the NFL, if he can play, he'll have a solid career. If not, he won't. Ending his season after suffering a concussion isn't going to be a deal breaker.
 
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I agree that NFL teams look for red flags, but IMO there are much worse ones. I think he understood the risks and I can see why he did it anyway. I'm actually surprised more players don't.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I agree that NFL teams look for red flags, but IMO there are much worse ones. I think he understood the risks and I can see why he did it anyway. I'm actually surprised more players don't.
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Because it'll cost him. NFL teams will make a cautionary tale out of this one. Domestic assault and drugs are bigger red flags but showing a propensity to make business decisions instead of finishing with your team ain't getting him a bigger signing bonus.
 
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NashVol11 said:
That addresses the quitting accusations. As far as the NFL, if he can play, he'll have a solid career. If not, he won't. Ending his season after suffering a concussion isn't going to be a deal breaker.
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It isn't the concussion that's going to cost him. It's using it as an excuse to bail on his team. Sit through the rest of the season and leave after the bowl game. That's finishing what you started. His potential will get him his opportunity at the next level. They're not going to want to pony up an investment so he's going to drop and he's playing for that SECOND contract a little harder than if he'd shown a little dedication.
 
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I just knew this thread would be filled with "I hate quitters" nonsense. Focus on making your family money, not Stoops.
 
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It's nonsense until it becomes a trend. When Tennessee is preparing for the playoffs and the starting DL are making "business decisions", don't put down the You Do You banner. :)
 
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NashVol11 said:
I wouldn't. The players don't owe us anything
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Never argued otherwise. This isn't about a debt to fans. It's the hole in the dam. When the individual sections decide to worry about only themselves, the whole thing collapses...end analogy. When your starting QB leaves midseason to prepare for the draft...the product you're cheering for is already rotten. That's why this particular kid slides a round or four in April.
 
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