Our real problem is not the players, it's the coaching

#26
#26
I disagree. our QB and receivers act like they've never played together. GA's receivers are no better than our when it comes to abilities. However, they burned us all night long. Kirby started from the first play letting us know what the game plan was. It's simple. They performed. We didn't. I don't even blame our secondary. They did a phenomenal job. But you can only do so much. We need to reconsider everything about our offense except RB. Including the QB. Nico is a bust as far as I'm concerned. Second year on the team. 5 star, #1 QB in his recruiting class, starting in a bowl game, this season under his belt, and the coach is scared to throw the ball? When we do throw it, we look inept.
 
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volgr said:
The offense is averaging 23 points in SEC games? This after averaging 24 points last season.

Last year we were told Milton couldnt run the offense and Heupel had to change his scheme due to that. Fast forward to this year and Heupel has his hand picked QB and we are a point worse than last season.

Once again, another season where Heupel's team is highly penalized and look undisciplined.

Can we not have a discussion about these issues without going to the extremes of fire them or do you want Pruitt and Butch back. Obviously both are idiotic responses.
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I can, as stated WR is part of the problem for 2 years. Route tree's are not good. We rarely use the middle of the field because we don't run many routes to the middle. We don't utilize Sampson in space catching the ball. Our TE's are successful because they exploit the middle. When a young QB( experience) wise doesn't believe his WR'S will be were they are supposed to or get open it makes him 2nd guess. Nico has over thrown some but his WR have absolutely not been dependable. OL has been a little better until last night. The penalties are a problem and have been. There is some merit to games not being called evenly. However I don't think we lost because of the penalties. 35 got exposed several times, as well as AC. DL failed to enter the game. Georgia was the better team. Two good teams played.
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
I disagree. our QB and receivers act like they've never played together. GA's receivers are no better than our when it comes to abilities. However, they burned us all night long. Kirby started from the first play letting us know what the game plan was. It's simple. They performed. We didn't. I don't even blame our secondary. They did a phenomenal job. But you can only do so much. We need to reconsider everything about our offense except RB. Including the QB. Nico is a bust as far as I'm concerned. Second year on the team. 5 star, #1 QB in his recruiting class, starting in a bowl game, this season under his belt, and the coach is scared to throw the ball? When we do throw it, we look inept.
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WR plays a part friend. Our WRs do not come back to the ball or work open when he rolls away from pressure. He threw some really good balls that were just dropped. WR and QB have growth to do but I really believe we need someone else developing our WR
 
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The coaching staff is a work in progress, better than the recent past but not quite ready for prime time games against the other top SEC coaches. Hopefully the learning process will not take much longer.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
WR plays a part friend. Our WRs do not come back to the ball or work open when he rolls away from pressure. He threw some really good balls that were just dropped. WR and QB have growth to do but I really believe we need someone else developing our WR
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As I said, the QB and receivers are both atrocious. We know the talent is there but it's absolutely inconsistent. One play Nico throws it too far. Next play too short. Next play hits them in the hands and they drop it. Next play they catch it out of bounds. It's maddening......
 
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Rarely does a D Line coached by Rodney Garner get handled like GA handled our guys. Rarely.

I don't know who the O Line coach is at GA but I tip my cap. Our guys are good and they were ready.

Elarbee, on the other hand, has had multiple weeks to get our O Line together and we've returned almost every week from games, even our wins, saying there's issues with the O Line.

Coach Garner doesn't like being beaten at his position. Coach Elarbee is used to it.

Look for our D Line to get better. Look for our O Line to remain mediocre.

That's a coaching problem.
 
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xpsyclonex2002 said:
As I said, the QB and receivers are both atrocious. We know the talent is there but it's absolutely inconsistent. One play Nico throws it too far. Next play too short. Next play hits them in the hands and they drop it. Next play they catch it out of bounds. It's maddening......
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My only thought about those things it makes it hard when the OL doesn't protect, wr's drop pass and a throw gets away. Rhythm is what they need. Going fast next week and just beating the piss out of someone might be what is needed. I just don’t believe our WR Coach has been able to make our guys better. I also think Nico was better before Halze and he is thinking to much.
 
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#34
There is a consistent lack of down the field production against even decent defenses. Some of that is a Fr QB struggling with the deep ball but the WR aren't impressing.
 
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volgr said:
The offense is averaging 23 points in SEC games? This after averaging 24 points last season.

Last year we were told Milton couldnt run the offense and Heupel had to change his scheme due to that. Fast forward to this year and Heupel has his hand picked QB and we are a point worse than last season.

Once again, another season where Heupel's team is highly penalized and look undisciplined.

Can we not have a discussion about these issues without going to the extremes of fire them or do you want Pruitt and Butch back. Obviously both are idiotic responses.
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I get it, this has been a frustrating and somewhat puzzling season on the offensive side of the ball. Concerns that other teams have caught on to Heupel's schemes, and he's having trouble adjusting, are valid. I'm not smart enough to analyze all the intricacies, but I suspect that it's taken Nico a little longer to grow into a stellar qb than we were expecting. Since the first half of the Alabama game, I'm encouraged that he's getting there. I predict he's going to be very good next year, although I'm concerned about the offensive line with what we're losing.

I guess my point is that we have to expect bumps in the road, and last night's loss, while disappointing, was far from a disgrace. Georgia, in recent years, absolutely dismantles good teams in these situations. We played them tough and were a few breaks from having a chance to win. In my opinion, this coaching staff, while not perfect, deserves some kudos.
 
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Yikesman said:
Reviewing the post mortem comments after last night's game, I see many comments blaming players. This is college ball, so you play the hand you are dealt. Nico always over throws his receivers on the long bomb, so delete it from the playbook. Sure, Dylan Samson is always good for 2-3 yards but we run that play up the middle too often. So if I, a TV room armchair doofus knows what play they will call next, then I'm pretty certain the opposing defense also knows it's coming.

Last night they called Sampson's number at mid field on a 2nd and 12. He gained 3 yards, and good for Sampson--that's what he does. But now the Vols are facing 3rd and 9, a low probability gain to convert. It stopped the drive. Are they incorporating their analytics?

The coaches have virtually no trick plays in their book. A fake punt at mid field is a play they can't even conceive of. They don't break up the plays enough to keep the opposing defense guessing. They don't have enough screen plays in their playbook; I saw only one screen last night. That stupid lateral pass to the sidelines has to go. The line of scrimmage discipline is atrocious, and it's obvious that all season Heupel has neglected the well established simple fix: execute pre-snap drills in practice.

The playbook needs a complete overhaul. Tailor the playbook to Nico's talents: short to mid range passes. More screens and more short slants to the sidelines. This will spread their defense deeper and wider and will enhance Sampson's rushing average. And finally, Josh Heupel needs to fire offensive coordinator Joey Halzle. The problem is the coaching.
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Heupel calls the plays, is he gonna fire himself?
 
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#37
These players struggle enough to execute our base plays. Their minds would probably melt if we tried to add trick plays right now
 
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I know the first drive was scripted, but it was a masterpiece. Why on earth did we move away from that aggressive and creative play calling. I just don’t get what is going on with the offensive scheme. Based on what Heupel is supposed to be, I am shocked. We had a less talented roster in 2021, his first year, but we were always fast and aggressive and tried to score whenever possible even if it was a long shot. It’s like Heupel has moved it an opposite direction. Has the press specifically asked him why they are using these ultra conservative game plans?
 
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#39
If you watch the replay and some of the "film guys" breakdowns with all 22 angles, there are throws to be made. For instance Beck rolled right and threw his man open in the middle of the field for a big gain. Those exact plays are available last night, we didn't make them. Nico is a RS Frosh and will get better. Let's face it, he's mediocre right now without a dynamic receiver to take a hitch to the house. We must go get a dynamic playmaker for Nico to gel with for the next 2-3 years. Having your TE as your leading receiver consistently over the year is not the recipe for this winning offense.
BTW-has Bru caught a TD all year? How can we not throw him 50/50 balls?
 
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#42
I hope Heupel isn’t a closet Butch type of coach where he says “I have a system and we’re going to run it regardless of our personnel” without making adjustments.
 
#43
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BernardKingGOAT said:
No one would have made that catch. That was on Nico for throwing a 98mph fastball.

Name them. Several?

Nope. Sorry
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Before I respond, let me be clear DS is an elite player who has carried this team in many ways this season.

Championship teams make those plays. No excuses. When the ball hits a target in stride in the hands, they make those plays.

Tennessee did not play like a Championship team. GA did.
 
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Yikesman said:
Reviewing the post mortem comments after last night's game, I see many comments blaming players. This is college ball, so you play the hand you are dealt. Nico always over throws his receivers on the long bomb, so delete it from the playbook. Sure, Dylan Samson is always good for 2-3 yards but we run that play up the middle too often. So if I, a TV room armchair doofus knows what play they will call next, then I'm pretty certain the opposing defense also knows it's coming.

Last night they called Sampson's number at mid field on a 2nd and 12. He gained 3 yards, and good for Sampson--that's what he does. But now the Vols are facing 3rd and 9, a low probability gain to convert. It stopped the drive. Are they incorporating their analytics?

The coaches have virtually no trick plays in their book. A fake punt at mid field is a play they can't even conceive of. They don't break up the plays enough to keep the opposing defense guessing. They don't have enough screen plays in their playbook; I saw only one screen last night. That stupid lateral pass to the sidelines has to go. The line of scrimmage discipline is atrocious, and it's obvious that all season Heupel has neglected the well established simple fix: execute pre-snap drills in practice.

The playbook needs a complete overhaul. Tailor the playbook to Nico's talents: short to mid range passes. More screens and more short slants to the sidelines. This will spread their defense deeper and wider and will enhance Sampson's rushing average. And finally, Josh Heupel needs to fire offensive coordinator Joey Halzle. The problem is the coaching.
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I've been saying the lack of trick plays/creative play calling has allowed defense to stymie us on offense even going back a few years. When we have 2 weeks of practice during bye weeks, why not cook up something that keeps defenses honest or can guarantee a 1st down when you need it to sustain a drive? Everything you said is the truth, we need a complete playbook overhaul
 
#45
#45
Tennessee controlled its own destiny through last night's game, i don't think Heupel has the staff or personnel in place to play and win at a high level in the conference against the best and more talented programs in this conference and with a 16 team conference, we will not play the best teams every year in the regular season, but when we do, those are must wins, not times to be exposed or revealed as imposters overrated this late in the season
 
#46
#46
madbamahater said:
It's not the coaching, it was lack of execution last night. I go full blast on bad coaching with no shame, but last night the Vols just got that ass whooped on both sides of the line of scrimmage, plain and simple.
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I agree, except for the inability to pressure Beck at all. Banks should've been a bit more aggressive trying to pressure Beck. The defense looked different last night, they looked tame.
 
#47
#47
Yikesman said:
Reviewing the post mortem comments after last night's game, I see many comments blaming players. This is college ball, so you play the hand you are dealt. Nico always over throws his receivers on the long bomb, so delete it from the playbook. Sure, Dylan Samson is always good for 2-3 yards but we run that play up the middle too often. So if I, a TV room armchair doofus knows what play they will call next, then I'm pretty certain the opposing defense also knows it's coming.

Last night they called Sampson's number at mid field on a 2nd and 12. He gained 3 yards, and good for Sampson--that's what he does. But now the Vols are facing 3rd and 9, a low probability gain to convert. It stopped the drive. Are they incorporating their analytics?

The coaches have virtually no trick plays in their book. A fake punt at mid field is a play they can't even conceive of. They don't break up the plays enough to keep the opposing defense guessing. They don't have enough screen plays in their playbook; I saw only one screen last night. That stupid lateral pass to the sidelines has to go. The line of scrimmage discipline is atrocious, and it's obvious that all season Heupel has neglected the well established simple fix: execute pre-snap drills in practice.

The playbook needs a complete overhaul. Tailor the playbook to Nico's talents: short to mid range passes. More screens and more short slants to the sidelines. This will spread their defense deeper and wider and will enhance Sampson's rushing average. And finally, Josh Heupel needs to fire offensive coordinator Joey Halzle. The problem is the coaching.
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Totally agree about our play calling, w exception of our first drive. We need to call plays to our offensive strengths and avoid our weaknesses. Been harping about this all season.
 
#49
#49
Clad in Big Orange said:
They script the first several plays in a comfortable office with no play clock. That’s why we look sharp out of the gate. Then whoever calls the plays resorts back to middle run, sideline pass, overthrown deep pass. Rinse and repeat.
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Get it time, it will work out, but are you going to panic and change everything out. Nico is good and will adjust. Everybody needs an excuse after a loss, I can give you 10 right off the cuff, but excuses are for losers.
If that is the case then repeat the script over and over again until they figure it out. That drive was executed to perfection and is a glimpse of what can be, but it will not be if you change HCs and OCs and even the DC.
 
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