Our season (just an observation)

#51
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J.Quest said:
So it's all about having a winning horse every year and riding it with a smile on your face provided they win? What if the program someone "deserves" is one they are proud of even though they don't win every game? If the majority were as disgusted as you then I would think that could be seen in the attendance...but it isn't...why is that? Merchandisers haven't complained...why is that?
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Good point. This team's off the field behavior the last couple of years should really be a source of pride for all UT fans. I can't believe I've overlooked all these positives.
 
#52
#52
Wow, I thought by Monday this nonsense would be over, and we could start concentrating on Basketball season, but I guess I am wrong.

I am a Fulmerite who does believe that this season has been a success, mainly because a turn-around has occured from last season.

It was evident in the Cal, Georgia, and Alabama games, as we were able to win those ballgames, that a year ago we would have lost.

David Cutcliffe has done wonders with Erik Ainge, and I believe that Crompton would have been even worse last Saturday if Randy Sanders was still OC.

The reason Cutcliffe has been able to do wonders with Ainge is because Coach Fulmer has let Cut do as Cut believes it right. If Fulmer were to leave, Cutcliffe is gone, and Ainge's confidence is once again rattled.

The only way Tennessee is going to win a Championship next year is if Coach Fulmer stays. Ainge will be ready to get that Championship next year if the current offensive coaching staff (with a possible exception of Adkins) remains intact. Fulmer's vision of greatness can still be achieved in a reasonable amount of time, and while it has not been as soon as I like, I still see it happening next year.

I was the opposite with Buzz, as I wanted him gone as soon as possible. However, I do not think that situation relates to the current state of the football program. After a terrible year last year, this coaching staff put together the pieces of a team that challenged for the SEC Eastern Division Championship, despite finishing a few games short. This was a very talented year for the conference, and while we are not at the top, I still believe we have earned our respectability back. That was the main thing I wanted to say about this football team back in the summer, and I feel that that major goal has been accomplished.
 
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Bobby Dodd said:
Wow, I thought by Monday this nonsense would be over, and we could start concentrating on Basketball season, but I guess I am wrong.

I am a Fulmerite who does believe that this season has been a success, mainly because a turn-around has occured from last season.

It was evident in the Cal, Georgia, and Alabama games, as we were able to win those ballgames, that a year ago we would have lost.
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1. Calling this season a success is akin to praising an alcoholic for getting a liver transplant.
2. So, beating a wildly overrated team, a mediocre team, and a flat bad team now merits kudos at UT. We're actually closer to rock bottom than I thought.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Good point. This team's off the field behavior the last couple of years should really be a source of pride for all UT fans. I can't believe I've overlooked all these positives.
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So with this logic, you're now anti-Bruce and the men's basketball program (despite your previous and numerous positive remarks for Bruce)...I mean now that our big man has been kicked for smoking weed.
 
#55
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hatvol96 said:
I think the loss to Arizona Saturday confirmed what I've said about Cal all year.
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Yours was truly on of the exceptions, I tend to disagree with most of your post, but you had our season pegged pretty close.

And as far as me starting a thread telling you guys to "shut up" with this argument, That was not what I said, I just wanted to point out that alot of you are hypocritical in your calls and very fairweather, I pointed out no names, just bringing it to your attention that maybe the Vols had exceeded expectations, and that their early success had jumped up your expectations of the year.
 
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J.Quest said:
So with this logic, you're now anti-Bruce and the men's basketball program (despite your previous and numerous positive remarks for Bruce)...I mean now that our big man has been kicked for smoking weed.
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If the next three post players we recruit suffer the same fate, you'd have equivalent situations. Also, exactly when was Wingate arrested? Like comparing apples to ostriches.
 
#57
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hatvol96 said:
1. Calling this season a success is akin to praising an alcoholic for getting a liver transplant.
2. So, beating a wildly overrated team, a mediocre team, and a flat bad team now merits kudos at UT. We're actually closer to rock bottom than I thought.
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Technically, above a .500 rating is a winning season.
 
#59
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hatvol96 said:
If the next three post players we recruit suffer the same fate, you'd have equivalent situations. Also, exactly when was Wingate arrested? Like comparing apples to ostriches.
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Also, Wingate was Buzz's player.
 
#60
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hatvol96 said:
If the next three post players we recruit suffer the same fate, you'd have equivalent situations. Also, exactly when was Wingate arrested? Like comparing apples to ostriches.
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Arrest does not equal guilty. And smoking weed but not getting caught doesn't make it legal...just means you didn't get caught.

You're a Tennessee Boo-Bird, man...just say it. You're only happy when UT is winning.
 
#62
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allvol said:
thanks for the intelligent post. when all else fails, resort to negative baseless comments. its the easy way out.
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you had the nerve to express a different opinion than hat. thus, you are a moron. just ask him.
you should know by now this is his m.o.
 
#63
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J.Quest said:
Arrest does not equal guilty. And smoking weed but not getting caught doesn't make it legal...just means you didn't get caught.

You're a Tennessee Boo-Bird, man...just say it. You're only happy when UT is winning.
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So, you're happy when UT is losing?
 
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SCSmokey said:
you had the nerve to express a different opinion than hat. thus, you are a moron. just ask him.
you should know by now this is his m.o.
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Thanks for mentioning me, even though I wasn't involved in the exchange you quoted. Very impressive attention to detail.
 
#68
#68
J.Quest said:
Point is..it's a winning season.
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Given that I never used the term "winning season," it really doesn't matter to me. I speak in terms of successful seasons. Merely winning more than you lose doesn't constitute success.
 
#69
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hatvol96 said:
So, you're happy when UT is losing?
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Of course I'm not happy...sure ALL the games didn't go like we all know they can...but what can YOU do about it besides gripe and stay PO'd? Nothing you do will change anything unless you have an influencial position. At the end of the day, it is only a game.
 
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#70
Ask Fulmer if he's happy with this season. He would say the same as Hat has been quoting. He Yea, better BUT COMMA. We ain't there. We have not crossed the finish line. Until we get back to the SECG and win we have not arrived back to where we want to be.

We are doing better and I am happy about that. A decent Bowl on New Year's day will be good. Next year we need to compete for the SECG. Be satisfied but not content.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Given that I never used the term "winning season," it really doesn't matter to me. I speak in terms of successful seasons. Merely winning more than you lose doesn't constitute success.
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OK, no problem...I misinterpretted. Maybe you should define what you think constitutes a successful season and a successful program? Tennessee didn't get to where it is with regard to tradition and national coverage by being Tallahassee State.
 
#72
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J.Quest said:
OK, no problem...I misinterpretted. Maybe you should define what you think constitutes a successful season and a successful program? Tennessee didn't get to where it is with regard to tradition and national coverage by being Tallahassee State.
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A successful season at a high level program at a minimum entails winning your conference division. A successful program is one that wins, or at least legitimately contends for, its conference title on an almost annual basis.
 
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hatvol96 said:
A successful season at a high level program at a minimum entails winning your conference division. A successful program is one that wins, or at least legitimately contends for, its conference title on an almost annual basis.
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Since 2000, which team in the SEC fits this best?
 
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But with the number of teams in the conference and every single one of them trying to do the exact same thing...how can UT possibly do this or even be expected to do this every single year? Recruiting is tougher and kids are more athletic...statistics just don't support this theory.
 
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allvol said:
Since 2000, which team in the SEC fits this best?
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It depends on how heavily you weight winning a National Title. If you place great credence on national honors, then it's LSU. If your focus is on conference honors, Georgia is the answer. Auburn has also been good in that stretch, but they've failed to cash in some nice opportunities.
 
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