Our season (just an observation)

#76
#76
J.Quest said:
But with the number of teams in the conference and every single one of them trying to do the exact same thing...how can UT possibly do this or even be expected to do this every single year? Recruiting is tougher and kids are more athletic...statistics just don't support this theory.
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Who has ever said that UT should win the SEC every year?
 
#77
#77
We are better with Phil than without him. Look at the past records for Tenn. in the 70s and 80s. We weren't exactly a powerhouse. J.M. had terrible seasons in '80, '82, '84, '86 and '88. The '70s were the dark ages in UT football and the bottom line is Phil has brought us the best years in modern UT football history!! Yes I'm ready for a title but Phil did get us one, which more than anyone else could do.
 
#78
#78
JZVOL said:
We are better with Phil than without him. Look at the past records for Tenn. in the 70s and 80s. We weren't exactly a powerhouse. J.M. had terrible seasons in '80, '82, '84, '86 and '88. The '70s were the dark ages in UT football and the bottom line is Phil has brought us the best years in modern UT football history!! Yes I'm ready for a title but Phil did get us one, which more than anyone else could do.
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Right. TCHFCATUTK is the only coach who can win at UT. Stoops, Carroll, et al would all fail miserably at UT. TCHFCATUTK is the only thing between UT and a status equivalent to Vanderbilt. In fact, we should give him another raise. God forbid some program steal him away.
 
#80
#80
Here is the way I look at it. In 2004 I was mad that Auburn was the class of the SEC, and UT did not look like they should be on the field with the Tigers.

In the second season since 2004 what in the heck have the Vols done? Now they are outclassed by LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas? Arkansas?

They have been consistently dominated (don't even belong on the field) by the conference's best teams (whether it be Florida, Georgia, LSU or Auburn) for three years in a row. How can that be justified in any form or fashion barring probation?
 
#81
#81
Lexvol said:
Here is the way I look at it. In 2004 I was mad that Auburn was the class of the SEC, and UT did not look like they should be on the field with the Tigers.

In the second season since 2004 what in the heck have the Vols done? Now they are outclassed by LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas? Arkansas?

They have been consistently dominated (don't even belong on the field) by the conference's best teams (whether it be Florida, Georgia, LSU or Auburn) for three years in a row. How can that be justified in any form or fashion barring probation?
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Quit fighting it, Lex. The people are getting what they so richly deserve. They value the continued employment of TCHFCATUTK much more than they value competing for titles. Therefore, we should all just get fired up for that huge Chick Fil A matchup with insert mediocre ACC team here or a titanic, yet wholly meaningless, battle with Penn State on New Year's Day.
 
#82
#82
hatvol96 said:
It depends on how heavily you weight winning a National Title. If you place great credence on national honors, then it's LSU. If your focus is on conference honors, Georgia is the answer. Auburn has also been good in that stretch, but they've failed to cash in some nice opportunities.
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I would think LSU is the pick in all your categories. However, no team in the SEC wins its division every year. If Arkansas wins the West this year, then there will be 6 teams that have won all the divisions since 2000, with none of them winning less than 2. I would have to dig further, but I think Auburn has lost more divisional tie-breakers than any other team. However, they usually lose a big game in November to drop them into the tie.

SEC WEST
National Championships - LSU ('03 co-champion)
SEC Championships - LSU ('01, '03), Auburn ('04)
Division Championships - LSU ('01,'03,'05); Auburn ('00, '04), Arkansas ('02)

SEC EAST
National Championships - none
SEC Championships - Georgia ('02,'05), Florida ('00)
Division Championships - Georgia ('02,'03*,'05), Tennessee ('01,'04), Florida ('00, '06)

* 3-way tie-break over Florida and Tennessee
 
#83
#83
allvol said:
I would think LSU is the pick in all your categories. However, no team in the SEC wins its division every year. If Arkansas wins the West this year, then there will be 6 teams that have won all the divisions since 2000, with none of them winning less than 2. I would have to dig further, but I think Auburn has lost more divisional tie-breakers than any other team. However, they usually lose a big game in November to drop them into the tie.

SEC WEST
National Championships - LSU ('03 co-champion)
SEC Championships - LSU ('01, '03), Auburn ('04)
Division Championships - LSU ('01,'03,'05); Auburn ('00, '04), Arkansas ('02)

SEC EAST
National Championships - none
SEC Championships - Georgia ('02,'05), Florida ('00)
Division Championships - Georgia ('02,'03*,'05), Tennessee ('01,'04), Florida ('00, '06)

* 3-way tie-break over Florida and Tennessee
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Is anybody the least bit concerned that the better teams are blowing UT's doors off, and that 5 years ago when UT had arguably better talent they got themselves smoked in the SEC championship game.

At this rate I will have to slow my lifestyle and shed a few pounds so that I can be around in 2030 when the Vols compete for their next championship.
 
#84
#84
volfanbill said:
which is what you just did before him. give us valid reasons to keep fulmer.. i'm still on the fence but i'm about to fall off to hat and kpt's side... give me reason to at least stay the fence
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No Luke.....Nooo Luuuuuuke...the dark side is strong, but you must resist!!
 
#85
#85
allvol said:
Since 2000, which team in the SEC fits this best?
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How about if we count by BCS bowl appearances? Under the current system, that's a good indicator of a program's success. If you're an elite program, you're playing in those bowls -- maybe not every year, but frequently.

Since the 2000 season, Florida, LSU, and Georgia have each appeared in two BCS bowls. Auburn has appeared in one.

Tennessee has not appeared in a BCS game since getting pounded by Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl following the 1999 season.
 
#86
#86
J.Quest said:
Arrest does not equal guilty. And smoking weed but not getting caught doesn't make it legal...just means you didn't get caught.

You're a Tennessee Boo-Bird, man...just say it. You're only happy when UT is winning.
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Vickie??.....Is that you again?
 
#87
#87
Vercingetorix said:
How about if we count by BCS bowl appearances? Under the current system, that's a good indicator of a program's success. If you're an elite program, you're playing in those bowls -- maybe not every year, but frequently.
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I think that is as good of an indicator of a program's success as any, and frustratingly, we fall very short using that measure. In fact, I would say that only the 2001 team was "BCS Caliber" during the last 7 year span.

Five years since fielding a team of that quality is starting to try my patience a little.
 
#88
#88
hatvol96 said:
Quit fighting it, Lex. The people are getting what they so richly deserve. They value the continued employment of TCHFCATUTK much more than they value competing for titles. Therefore, we should all just get fired up for that huge Chick Fil A matchup with insert mediocre ACC team here or a titanic, yet wholly meaningless, battle with Penn State on New Year's Day.
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Well then, who exactly would you hire right now to replace him? Who do you honestly think can come in and make an immediate impact and turn the program around? I'm not talking about hypotheticals here. I'm not asking what Caroll, Spurrier, Richt, Saban, Madden, or Lombardy would do. Who in your opinion right now would be best fit for this replacement??
 
#89
#89
Spurrier or Saban would make an immediate impact and turn the program around. Neither would keep mediocre assistants around, and Spurrier would never be conservative with this offense.
 
#90
#90
Lexvol said:
Spurrier or Saban would make an immediate impact and turn the program around. Neither would keep mediocre assistants around, and Spurrier would never be conservative with this offense.
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That's not realistic though. I'm talking actual avaliable coaches who could come in. Realistically speaking, who out there that's honestly avaliable do you see coming in and doing a better job?
 
#91
#91
The reason I think that CFP needs to go is the following:

The team has fallen apart by mid season ans seems to self implode every year!

Recuriting has been good over the last couple of years, but it's how you develope the talant and skills these players bring. Look at LSU,Florida,Aurburn,Ark and except for this year ,GA. Always getting better and better and ole CPF and UT seems to be sliding down hill each year.

Attendance is and will always be good. Merchandise , the same!!! The problem is that with our talant, we should this day be at least 5th in the bcs or higher.


What talant lost!!!!:focus:
 
#92
#92
Brave Volunteer said:
Well then, who exactly would you hire right now to replace him? Who do you honestly think can come in and make an immediate impact and turn the program around? I'm not talking about hypotheticals here. I'm not asking what Caroll, Spurrier, Richt, Saban, Madden, or Lombardy would do. Who in your opinion right now would be best fit for this replacement??
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With Butch Davis lost due to our dawdling, my first choice would be Greg Schiano, with Rich Rodriguez, Bobby Petrino, Tom O'Brien, and Steve Mariucci as other candidates. That excludes various NFL coaches, like Saban, whose futures are cloudy.
 
#93
#93
steve24151 said:
The reason I think that CFP needs to go is the following:

The team has fallen apart by mid season ans seems to self implode every year!

Recuriting has been good over the last couple of years, but it's how you develope the talant and skills these players bring. Look at LSU,Florida,Aurburn,Ark and except for this year ,GA. Always getting better and better and ole CPF and UT seems to be sliding down hill each year.

Attendance is and will always be good. Merchandise , the same!!! The problem is that with our talant, we should this day be at least 5th in the bcs or higher.


What talant lost!!!!:focus:
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You can't just fire someone. You have to replace them. So again I ask the question, who out there that is realistically avaliable for the job would you hire that would do a better job than what CPF has done over the last 15 years?
 
#94
#94
steve24151 said:
The reason I think that CFP needs to go is the following:

The team has fallen apart by mid season ans seems to self implode every year!

Recuriting has been good over the last couple of years, but it's how you develope the talant and skills these players bring. Look at LSU,Florida,Aurburn,Ark and except for this year ,GA. Always getting better and better and ole CPF and UT seems to be sliding down hill each year.

Attendance is and will always be good. Merchandise , the same!!! The problem is that with our talant, we should this day be at least 5th in the bcs or higher.


What talant lost!!!!:focus:
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interesting, all the antivols keep saying is that the recruiting has sucked the last few years.
 
#95
#95
hatvol96 said:
With Butch Davis lost due to our dawdling, my first choice would be Greg Schiano, with Rich Rodriguez, Bobby Petrino, Tom O'Brien, and Steve Mariucci as other candidates. That excludes various NFL coaches, like Saban, whose futures are cloudy.
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Another thing you have to remember, at 2 mil a year til' what, 2012? Do you honestly think we will just buy Phil's contract out?
 
#96
#96
Brave Volunteer said:
You can't just fire someone. You have to replace them. So again I ask the question, who out there that is realistically avaliable for the job would you hire that would do a better job than what CPF has done over the last 15 years?
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I dont think anyone could come in and not have a couple of down years, But if i did have to choose it would be Gruden if TB fires him this year. Maybe we could get spurrier so that I could root for us to loose so we could fire him.
 
#97
#97
Brave Volunteer said:
You can't just fire someone. You have to replace them. So again I ask the question, who out there that is realistically avaliable for the job would you hire that would do a better job than what CPF has done over the last 15 years?
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What do seasons a decade ago have to do with the here and now? By that logic, Bobby Bowden should be the coach at Florida State until death, even if he goes 0-12 for the next 5 years. Using your reasoning, all a coach has to do is have a stretch of success, then they're immune from accountability.
 
#98
#98
How do you define available. I am not sure that UT couldn't woo Spurrier away from SC. Here is a short list:
Butch Davis
Steve Spurrier
Bobby Petrino
Greg Schiano
Mike Stoops
Al Borges
Jimbo Fisher
Nick Saban
Howard Schnellenburger (can never spell his name)

On the fence:
Mike Leach
Guy Morris
Chris Hatcher
Jeff Tedford
Pat Hill

Sorry for the redundancy, I was thinking about my post.
 
#99
#99
Brave Volunteer said:
Another thing you have to remember, at 2 mil a year til' what, 2012? Do you honestly think we will just buy Phil's contract out?
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1. Nobody ever pays the full amount on a buyout.
2. The UTAD would have no problem raising the money if necessary.
 
#100
#100
ddubb76 said:
interesting, all the antivols keep saying is that the recruiting has sucked the last few years.
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I am certainly not an anti-vol, and I wouldn't say that the recruiting has sucked, but anybody who thinks we have the 5th most talented team in the country needs to stop eating so many mushrooms.

LSU and Florida certainly have better players than we do, and I'm going to call it a draw with Arkansas without McFadden, and I'm not sure any of those teams compare with OSU, Michigan, or USC. That is six without thinking very hard, and I didn't even consider WVU, Louisville, Notre Dame, Auburn, or Texas. Beyond that, from what I have seen, there is a very big difference between the tops in the conference and us in the defensive front seven and the o-line.
 
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