Pac-10 Expansion (merged)

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Ericvol2096 said:
Once again a very interesting scenario...if this happens, and the Big 10 grabs Mizzou, Neb, Rutgers, Pitt and ND.

Then the SEC will be left scrambling for the likes of VT, GT, Clemson, FSU and Miami.
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Ga Tech, Va Tech, and Miami would be poor additions, and really wouldn't add anything to the SEC.

The report I heard was that SEC had talked with FSU, Texas, Texas A&M and Clemson. I'm not sure Clemson really adds anything other than a large, passionate fanbase, and a fun place to visit for away games. I slightly prefer WVU to Clemson, but both would be okay in my opinion.

I do like the fact that taking Clemson and FSU would decimate the ACC (particularly in bowl tie-ins), as they are the two largest football fanbases in the conference, and are the only ACC teams that travel well.
 
#53
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droski said:
i think most of the commisioners are off the round robin thing anyway. it hasn't helped the pac-10 at all. they also want the $$$ for a championship game and realize that their tv contract isn't going to improve materially wiht the same teams. i wouldn't be surprised in teh slightest if many pac-10 ADs talked to the individual big-12 ads to see if they had any interest in switching.
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that still runs highly counter to part 2 though. whether there is interest or not, if any sort of "alliance" agreement were in place, conference expansion isnt a dirty business or mob like....it just almost runs a pretty unethical route, even for college football and especially on a stage that big
 
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The Big 10, with their own network, already makes more money per school than the SEC and its gigantic ESPN/CBS deal (I think its $22M to $17M per school?).

As the article says, there is only so much money that the SEC can command through a network partner, as no one is going to broadcast their games at a loss.

So, Texas sees that they will (allegedly) make about $1M more per season in the Big 16 (Pac10 + 6 from Big 12) than they will make under the SEC's current deal. Almost certainly, adding even a single school would give rise to the SEC seeking to renegotiate its deal. Problem is seemingly solved, and Texas would make more money in the SEC again. However, the SEC's contract, while higher, would remain "capped" as it wouldn't be through their own network. Simply, Texas' long-term earning potential seems to be higher in the rumored in the "uncapped" confines of the Big 16's network deal.

If I am Texas, and I hear the A&M AD implicitly confirm the rampant rumors that they have spoken to the SEC, and OK seems enamored with the SEC, and Mizzou won't even confirm their attendance beyond 2011......my hope of holding the Big 12 together appears to be evaporating, and rapidly so. If I can't have that wish, guess what is next on my list? To convince the other 5 members of the Big 12 to go with me wherever I go (it makes the deal much more lucrative, and keeps many of the same Big 12 rivalries intact), namely, the Big 16....and not the SEC. We can make more money via the the Big 16 Network than we can in the SEC, the competition isn't as tough, the recruiting will be far more widely dispersed, the academics are more on par with our standards, and even if A&M bolts to the SEC, the TX Legislature doesn't appear prepared to force us to go together. Guess which of the two conferences can most easily and readily absorb 6 additional teams - the Pac-10 or the SEC? Here's a hint: It ain't the SEC.

Likely, I am not the first person to consider all of this.

When the last SEC tv deal was inked, the Big 10 Network was suffering as the laughing stock of the country, and worse, was losing money. That's no longer the case. Likely, Slive has noticed this trend.

Perhaps there is a false assumption that Slive wants to (quickly) add another SEC school as a means to renegotiate the current CBS/ESPN deal, when in fact, he wants to do so as a means to make some exorbitant demand (i.e. we always make more money than any other school with its own network) which he knows they cannot and will not agree to.....in order to rescind the contract itself, and do what he should have done to begin with, and that's to form an SEC Network.

You can talk all you want about proximity, similiar cultures, etc. - but if Slive can't offer an SEC Network to Texas, that's going to be a quick conversation with an abrupt ending, and we stand a greater chance of being on the outside looking in, watching the Pac-10 scoop us, than not.

Either way, Texas has to be somewhat nervous in all of this, and the Pac-10 seems intent on forcing both their hands, and Slive's.
 
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I am afraid True Orange that if the Pac 10 and Big 10 scenario's did go down like these wild scenario's are saying that the SEC could be in trouble.

We would basically be stuck trying to raid the ACC to compete and if we were unsuccesfull in doing so in a manner which improved our league finacially and competitvley then we could be in trouble.
 
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droski said:
i disagree. they are almost always football based. very much doubt the MWC is thinking of adding boise for their bball team.
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they're market and market area biased more than anything else....I still dont understand why people think it's about who's sports teams are good, it's all about $$$

I'm also though one on the wagon of thinking that the Boise addition might be a preparation move b/c - if Mizzou leaves, and this whole pac 10 thing turns out to be untrue - TCU is expected to be the first in line on the list of big 12 invites
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
104.5 in Nashville just had Andy Staples from Sports Illustrated on and he said DO NOT discount these rumors. He was in Destin at the SEC meetings and said he's gonna try to interview school presidents this afternoon when they get out of their meetings just to get their thoughts.

If this happens I can't help but think how Kiffin will fare now with Texas and OU in his conference. He ran from the toughest conference to win to perhaps the easiest. Oh how his world might get flipped upside down.
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So essentially what Andy Staples said was "we don't know anything yet and we haven't talked to anyone"



"but keep listening to our station!"
 
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I'll add this since we're talking about these rumors and reporters ect ect. The Big 12 coaches are currently in their meeting and our local guy has not reported anything concerning these possible situations. I would assume, if were being discussed, he would have reported it.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
I am afraid True Orange that if the Pac 10 and Big 10 scenario's did go down like these wild scenario's are saying that the SEC could be in trouble.

We would basically be stuck trying to raid the ACC to compete and if we were unsuccesfull in doing so in a manner which improved our league finacially and competitvley then we could be in trouble.
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ok, We wouldnt be in any sort of trouble. We just relatively would no longer be making the most money. We still have a massive deal in place with ESPN and would still be raking in a ton of money. The expansion of a large pac-10 and big-10 isnt going to cause the SEC to fold, fall apart, or any such

if we had to - which im not sure why that's a necessity - we would either get some ACC teams (a Ga Tech and another team FSU, Clem, whoever) and/or more likely some Big East teams (a USF or whoever is likely)

we're not enduring any sort of financial losses either way in all this, so I promise you the conference is going to be just fine
 
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TXVOL07 said:
I'll add this since we're talking about these rumors and reporters ect ect. The Big 12 coaches are currently in their meeting and our local guy has not reported anything concerning these possible situations. I would assume, if were being discussed, he would have reported it.
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Good and fair point.

Of course, this is assuming that this is the only forum that such discussions will or have been held, or that they would be held in a public forum such as this, were they even to occur.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
I'll add this since we're talking about these rumors and reporters ect ect. The Big 12 coaches are currently in their meeting and our local guy has not reported anything concerning these possible situations. I would assume, if were being discussed, he would have reported it.
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Yeah I would think so.

Again too, if there were weight to this, I figure ESPN would already be all over it at this point in the day, especially on such a slow overall sports news day as its been so far (women's baseball)
 
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TrueOrange said:
ok, We wouldnt be in any sort of trouble. We just relatively would no longer be making the most money. We still have a massive deal in place with ESPN and would still be raking in a ton of money. The expansion of a large pac-10 and big-10 isnt going to cause the SEC to fold, fall apart, or any such

if we had to - which im not sure why that's a necessity - we would either get some ACC teams (a Ga Tech and another team FSU, Clem, whoever) and/or more likely some Big East teams (a USF or whoever is likely)

we're not enduring any sort of financial losses either way in all this, so I promise you the conference is going to be just fine
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i'd think FSU, miami, clemson and G tech would make the most sense.
 
#70
#70
If this goes down, Droski is buying my first 4 beers when I fly out West. Mark it down.
 
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droski said:
i'd think FSU, miami, clemson and G tech would make the most sense.
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most would - though apparently IIRC the SEC commish said the conference would likely only expand to 14 - though there's alot of word that the ACC conference is in such a strong setup/connection/bond/whatever that it's pretty well expected that the ACC teams aren't going to move or leave....which is where several analysts have also brought in some Big East teams, like USF for example
 
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