Pac-10 Expansion (merged)

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nope this is the only list i have. the pac-10 tv deal is up in 2011 which is why they are talking about expansion. if you read the link thye make a pretty good argument that even with the current allignment hte pac-10's new deal should be worth a lot more.
 
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I figure most of that's about mainly how the Pac 10s deal is worth so much less than everyone else's

I also found, for those questioning Texas's independence move, that on it's own in 08-09, Texas's total school revenue was $138.4 million
 
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Word is also that, if this deal was real, the explanation for why KU is left out is b/c in order to get Texas, the feeling is you have to get all the Texas schools due to the political scene and nature of the state's setup of the colleges
 
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TrueOrange said:
I figure most of that's about mainly how the Pac 10s deal is worth so much less than everyone else's

I also found, for those questioning Texas's independence move, that on it's own in 08-09, Texas's total school revenue was $138.4 million
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i'm sure a good deal of that $138 mil is ticket revenues and seat licenses, but i don't know for sure.
 
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Here's an interesting read:

Link:Big Ten expansion: E-mails hint eyes are upon Texas | BuckeyeXtra

A story containing emails between Ohio State's President and the Big 10 Commissioner on the discussions he had recently (emails dated April 19th) had with Texas' President.

Apparently, the Texas president said that they had a, "Tech" problem. Unlike Texas and A&M, Texas Tech is not a member of the Association of American Universities, which the Big 10 has long-held was requirement for membership.....but who have also agreed to give a pass to Notre Dame (also not a member of AAU), noting their history of strong academic standards.

This is interesting to see (in contrast with yesterday's reports) that Texas believes that all three schools may be forced, or at least it is heavily preferred, that they all be in the same conference, given A&M's implicit confirmation of discussions being held with the SEC.

If the SEC fails to get Texas / Oklahoma, they remain the nation's best conference, at least for the short-term, but a newly formed Pac-10 + Texas and Oklahoma would vault them into a nearly-equal (and someday possibly a greater) level of stature. If the SEC secures Texas and Oklahoma, the other conferences will struggle to close the gap at any point in the near future, if ever at all.

I have a bad feeling about all of this, and wonder if Slive isn't arrogantly sleeping on this a little bit...while others are rapidly moving. It's ok to consider who you're going to be dancing with, and not rush to make a decision, but at some point as people pair up, your options can become so limited as to effectively force the decision for you.

The Pac-10 is going to be willing to take all of these schools, immediately - and the SEC better be willing to show an equal agility to do so, themselves.
 
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Tenacious D said:
Here's an interesting read:

Link:Big Ten expansion: E-mails hint eyes are upon Texas | BuckeyeXtra

A story containing emails between Ohio State's President and the Big 10 Commissioner on the discussions he had recently (emails dated April 19th) had with Texas' President.

Apparently, the Texas president said that they had a, "Tech" problem. Unlike Texas and A&M, Texas Tech is not a member of the Association of American Universities, which the Big 10 has long-held was requirement for membership.....but who have also agreed to give a pass to Notre Dame (also not a member of AAU), noting their history of strong academic standards.

This is interesting to see (in contrast with yesterday's reports) that Texas believes that all three schools may be forced, or at least it is heavily preferred, that they all be in the same conference, given A&M's implicit confirmation of discussions being held with the SEC.

If the SEC fails to get Texas / Oklahoma, they remain the nation's best conference, at least for the short-term, but a newly formed Pac-10 + Texas and Oklahoma would vault them into a nearly-equal (and someday possibly a greater) level of stature. If the SEC secures Texas and Oklahoma, the other conferences will struggle to close the gap at any point in the near future, if ever at all.

I have a bad feeling about all of this, and wonder if Slive isn't arrogantly sleeping on this a little bit...while others are rapidly moving. It's ok to consider who you're going to be dancing with, and not rush to make a decision, but at some point as people pair up, your options can become so limited as to effectively force the decision for you.

The Pac-10 is going to be willing to take all of these schools, immediately - and the SEC better be willing to show an equal agility to do so, themselves.
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I saw that link, which of course is what led to me writing about the issue being that Texas legislature - which is very involved in the state's football programs, including requiring they all play each other - likely wont let moves occur that leave Texas Tech on its own to wither



You do realize - and i'm reading from what you're writing - but there's no way the SEC could possibly just get Texas and OU and that's it.

On the monetary front though, the addition of Texas is an absolutely huge one money wise. OU doesn't help as much as you think though market wise (which is really what this expansion is all about) as Big 10 would likely be adding the St. Louis, Kansas City, and attempts at into the NYC market
 
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droski said:
i'm sure a good deal of that $138 mil is ticket revenues and seat licenses, but i don't know for sure.
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well this is everything from all their sports combined (not the number I was looking for though) just to sort of show why Texas is such a cash cow to everyone. That number is $20 mil higher than the total that OSU brought in that same year.

I dont know what they made on conference fund sharing alone
 
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Tenacious D went ahead and put a link to this, I'm going to go ahead and post some more articles though, so I'm putting this one up too:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/conten...e-mails-hint-eyes-are-upon-texas.html?sid=101

A decision about expanding the Big Ten might be months away, but e-mail conversations indicate that the University of Texas is an object of the conference's attention. And the school's athletic director isn't making a commitment to stay in the Big 12.

Ohio State University President E. Gordon Gee sent an e-mail to Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany on April 20 saying that he had spoken with Texas President William Powers.

"I did speak with Bill Powers at Texas, who would welcome a call to say they have a 'Tech' problem," Gee wrote in an e-mail that was among several obtained by The Dispatch through a public-records request for documents and correspondence related to Big Ten expansion proposals.

Texas Tech is one of Texas' rivals in the Big 12 conference. Ohio State officials declined a Dispatch request to explain the "Tech" problem.

"Public record laws do not require us to provide further clarification on meaning," OSU spokeswoman Amy Murray said in an e-mail. "While a few of the e-mails are cryptic, we aren't obliged to provide additional explanation."

Although speculation about the Big Ten's interest in Texas has been widespread in the 51/2 months since the conference announced it would consider expansion, the e-mail is rare evidence of communication between the school and a high-ranking Big Ten representative.

Texas and Texas Tech are two of three state-sponsored schools from Texas in the Big 12. The other is Texas A&M.

Texas and Texas A&M are members of the Association of American Universities, a prestigious alliance of research-minded universities. Texas Tech is not. The Big Ten has made it clear that AAU membership is important for prospective members, with Notre Dame an exception because of its excellent academic reputation.

Although Texas Tech has had athletic success in recent years, it is considered a notch below Texas and Texas A&M athletically. After last season, Texas Tech endured an ugly firing of successful football coach Mike Leach amid allegations that he mistreated players.

Don Hale, Texas' vice president for public affairs, said he did not think the three Texas schools had a legal commitment to be in the same conference. But he said the Texas Legislature may apply pressure for that to happen.

"I think it's a political issue," he said yesterday. "Because they're state institutions, I think the concern is that one can't move without the others."

Shortly after Hale's comment, Rivals.com reported that multiple sources indicated that the Pacific-10 is prepared to invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league.

Gee's initial e-mail to Delany on April 19 said that he is "of the mind that we control our destiny at the moment, but the window will soon close on us. Agility and swiftness of foot is our friend."

That e-mail was a day after Delany addressed the Association of American Universities meetings in Washington, D.C. Expansion was expected to have been on the agenda.

In the same e-mail, Gee commended Delany on his "brilliant presentation."

Minutes after Gee sent the e-mail, Delany replied with a thank-you note.

"We are fast-tracking it but need to know the $ and observe contracts," Delany wrote. "Also need to make sure we leverage this to increase chances of hr additions. Finally double chess # of moving parts including not harming brand as we executy."

In baseball, HR means home run. In the Big Ten, the addition of Texas would certainly qualify. The Longhorns have the only college athletic program that earns more revenue than Ohio State. Texas' revenue for the 2008-2009 school year was $138.4 million, nearly $20million more than Ohio State.

The Longhorns have elite football and basketball programs, and Texas is considered a top-tier academic institution.

For Texas A&M, the allure of the Big Ten would be largely financial. The Big Ten Network has become a cash cow for member teams. Four years ago, Texas A&M's athletic programs were in such dire financial shape that the university loaned it $16 million.

Texas Athletic Director DeLoss Dodds did not douse speculation that the Longhorns could be leaving their conference when he spoke Wednesday at the Big 12 conference meetings in Kansas City.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe opened the meeting with a plea for the league members to stay together. But Dodds, whose school also could be a target for the Southeastern and Pacific-10 conferences, would not commit to that.

"You've known me for very long; I am not hanging back," Dodds said, according to the Associated Press. "I'm not waiting to see what other people are going to do. I'm going to know what our options are, so that's not going to change. My hope is that the Big 12 survives and you and I retire knowing it's a great conference. It's been very viable, and if it stays in place, it will continue to be very viable."

Dodds said Texas didn't start the talk about its possible departure from the Big 12.

"If we need to finish it, we'll finish it," he said. "We're going to be a player in whatever happens."
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Why Tech got the nod ahead of Kansas, Baylor | College Sports Blog | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | The Dallas Morning News

Some people in Kansas City have expressed surprise that Texas Tech was included among the six Big 12 schools getting possible invites to the Pac-10, ahead of Kansas and Baylor.

(Don't take offense, Red Raider fans. It's a fair question).

One person with knowledge of the college football landscape offered an interesting explanation. The Texas political scene might make it difficult for Texas and Texas A&M to exit, leaving Tech in a husk of a conference. Rather than risk losing the Longhorns and Aggies, the Pac-10 opted for Tech, which has been extremely competitive in football and has added capacity to Jones AT&T Stadium. Three members in Texas is not necessarily a bad thing.

Kansas has great basketball tradition and some name value, along with bringing the Kansas City market. But the Pac-10 would have probably have to take Kansas State along with KU.

Baylor, despite success in just about every sport except football, was hurt by being a private, church-affiliated school. The Pac-10 consists of large, secular, state schools. Remember the reports of how the conference was not sold on BYU? Baylor may have found itself in the same situation, which is a little bit of a shame given the basketball success this past season.
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High stakes at Big 12 meetings | Tulsa World

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — You apparently can add Texas Hold 'Em as the newest sport in the Big 12 Conference.

That card game seems to be the most logical explanation behind one of the wilder days in the 16-year history of the Big 12's spring meetings.

Someone at Texas, perhaps athletic director DeLoss Dodds, may have sent this message across the table to Nebraska and Missouri: "I'll see your two and raise you four, partners."

We're left to make assumptions because Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe mysteriously imposed a gag order late Thursday afternoon on himself and the league's CEOs. The league's ADs, meanwhile, bolted from the InterContinental Hotel and headed home without saying much about the latest and hottest rumor concerning the conference's future.

Orangebloods.com, a Rivals.com website devoted to coverage of Texas athletics, reported yesterday that the Pac-10 will extend invitations to six Big 12 institutions — Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Colorado.

Nebraska and Missouri have been the two Big 12 schools that have dominated the headlines for the past several months. Speculation has raged that the Cornhuskers and Tigers will accept if they are offered membership invitations by the Big Ten as part of its expansion plans.

Thursday's explosive story out of Austin, Texas, upped the ante to six Big 12 schools and instantly made the Nebraska-Missouri scenario back-page news. The story was broken by well-respected and well-connected sportswriter Chip Brown, who cited several unnamed sources.

The plan would be for the six Big 12 schools to join Arizona and Arizona State in the East Division of the Pac-16 (or whatever it's called). The West Division would be comprised of the remaining eight institutions already in the Pac-10.

Was it Dodds and/or other UT officials who leaked the Pac-10 speculation? Was it a way to show Nebraska and Missouri that they could be left holding the bag with four other Big 12 schools if they don't receive Big Ten invites?

That theory stems from an interesting comment Dodds made to the Kansas City Star on Tuesday, the first day of the four-day event.

"We did not start this," said Dodds of the speculation that the Big Ten could raid the Big 12. "If we need to finish it, we'll finish it. We're going to be a player in whatever happens."

Nebraska AD Tom Osborne has repeatedly complained that the South Division in general, and Texas in particular, wield too much conference power. Dodds is obviously tired of hearing those complaints, along with Mizzou officials' constant complaints about the Big 12's revenue-sharing format.

So, are Dodds and other Big 12 South schools playing some high-stakes poker with Nebraska and Mizzou, waiting to see who blinks first?

Perhaps it isn't a bluff tactic. Colorado AD Mike Bohn told the Boulder Daily Camera after Thursday's meetings that he believes there is credence to the Pac-10's interest in the six schools, and a decision could be reached as soon as this weekend when the Pac-10 holds its spring meetings in San Francisco.

"The longer that we were together in Kansas City, it appeared that that rumor or speculation did have some validity to it," Bohn told the Boulder Daily Camera. "We're led to believe that that may be the case."

Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott adamantly denied the expansion reports in an interview with the Associated Press. But that all could be semantics, because Scott's league has yet to convene for this weekend's meetings.

OSU athletic director Mike Holder only said "no habla (speak)" when I asked him if the Cowboys have been in talks with the Pac-10.

Joe Castiglione was a bit more forthcoming. But the Sooner AD insisted that the focus of the meetings this week has been on how to keep the Big 12 intact and make it even stronger.

Asked if he'd had any talks with Pac-10 officials, Castiglione said, "not yet. And hopefully I don't have to."

While Castiglione has championed the Big 12 repeatedly during these meetings, he acknowledged that the current unsettled condition of the college landscape has prompted him to consider OU's future if the Big 12 folds.

"We'd certainly have options if we need them," said Castiglione, who helped start the process in 1994 of putting the Big 12 together. "But from Day One (OU), has said we're all about the Big 12."

Several college administrators have predicted four 16-team conferences is the future for BCS schools. So perhaps the Pac-10 is staying ahead of the curve with its apparent bold plan to be the first mega-conference.

Membership in the Pac-10 could be a major plus for the Sooners and Cowboys. Not only would it allow the Bedlam Series to continue uninterrupted, it more importantly would open up some major recruiting possibilities in talent-rich California.

Beebe's decision to cancel Thursday's press conference involving himself and Texas president William Powers added fuel to a rumor mill that's churning at warp speed.

Did the Pac-10 speculation force the CEOs to extend their meeting into Thursday night? Are the Big Ten CEOs, who are also meeting today, on the verge of formally inviting Nebraska and Missouri? Can't the Big 12 CEOs agree on solidarity?

It seemed obvious that some late-breaking development forced Beebe into making his surprising "no comments today" statement.

The Big 12 meetings will conclude with a CEOs-only gathering Friday morning. Beebe and Powers are once again slated to partake in press conferences.

Will the Big 12's powerbrokers be willing to show their cards in what could be a historic game of Texas Hold 'Em?

Or maybe Texas and some other Big 12 South schools are playing verbal tennis. If so, they just smacked the ball squarely back in the courts of Nebraska and Mizzou.

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Missouri chancellor won’t commit to Big 12
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Chancellor Brady Deaton was giving no assurances Thursday morning that missouri intended to remain in the Big 12.

Nebraska and missouri have both indicated they might be interested if the more lucrative Big Ten Conference decides to expand. That has led to speculation that Oklahoma, Colorado and Texas might also bolt.

Realignment has been the major point of discussion during the Big 12’s spring meetings this week. The presidents will meet on Friday.

Deaton said Missouri remained a proud member of the Big 12, but he added that, “We’re not shutting our ears to anything.”

-Associated Press
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and to even further the rumor talks, ESPN picked up rumors in its blogs of a full two conference merger:

Full Pac-10/Big 12 merger in play - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

The official moves have yet to be made, but the Pac-10 is remaining open minded in their approach to expansion. One option still being considered: A full merger between the Big 12 and Pac-10 that would blow yesterday's news away but still raise plenty of questions while making teams like Iowa State, Baylor and Kansas feel a little more secure.

"There is an enormous amount of speculation about conference expansion right now and I think with the Pac-10 that anything is possible, all the way from remaining with the status quo, where we are today, to a full merger with the Big 12 and anything in between,'' Washington athletic director Scott Woodward told the Seattle Times on Thursday. "All possibilities are viable and open for discussion.''

A reminder: None of this would be anything the Big 12 brass are discussing--or possibly even aware of--this week in Kansas City, but the Pac-10 is making it clear they won't be happy with handing over the first move of conference realignment to the Big Ten.

And after yesterday's talk--or lack thereof--it's hard to be surprised by anything in relation to the Big 12's future.
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Finally word from UW's A.D.

Husky Football Blog | Woodward talks about expansion rumors | Seattle Times Newspaper

I got a hold of UW athletic director Scott Woodward this afternoon to ask him about the expansion rumors making the rounds today.

He said that as of now, any reports are "all speculation.''

But he also said that many options remain on the table as the conference gets set to hold meetings this weekend in San Francisco, with expansion sure to be a major topic.

"There is an enormous amount of speculation about conference expansion right now and I think with the Pac-10 that anything is possible, all the way from remaining with the status quo, where we are today, to a full merger with the Big 12 and anything in between,'' Woodward said Thursday afternoon. "All possibilities are viable and open for discussion.''

Woodward is headed out tomorrow morning to San Francisco where he and UW president Mark Emmert (along with senior women's administrator Stephanie Rempe) will represent the school at Pac-10 meetings, that will be held Friday through Sunday.

Woodward said it was "too early'' to make a judgment on how expansion would impact the University of Washington. "I want to make sure I'm given all the data and all the reasons why a particular institution should or shouldn't join if we go that route,'' he said
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to be fair to my local media guy, it was his main topic this morning. The Ad's are still in meetings, but something is supposed to go down today or Monday.

Its looking more and more like this might happen. I think the folks at Colorado will go regardless of what anyone else does. Tech can be dubbed a "tag along" at this juncture.

Baylor might be able to make it to a bowl game when they get stranded with nowhere left to go but the WAC or CUSA. Suck it Waco.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
to be fair to my local media guy, it was his main topic this morning. The Ad's are still in meetings, but something is supposed to go down today or Monday.

Its looking more and more like this might happen. I think the folks at Colorado will go regardless of what anyone else does. Tech can be dubbed a "tag along" at this juncture.

Baylor might be able to make it to a bowl game when they get stranded with nowhere left to go but the WAC or CUSA. Suck it Waco.
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you know, feasibly, the Baylor, Kansas, K state, Iowa St, could absorb several Mountain West (TCU being one) or other nearby teams and still call themselves the Big 12


but yes, CU is going to go unless their revenue share gets increased; I think what all you are seeing though is a "while we're at it, this is what would have to happen for Texas to easily move"
 
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ESPN's take (per Shad) is that since noone refutes this, the teams are serious about this happening if NEB and MIZZ leave
 
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We dont call them "Media darlings" for nothing. Yes, Texas gets more run than ANYONE in the Big12.

Saw em off.
 
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That's why they are a "cash cow" (pun intended). Most money, most fans, that's why people want em.
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Isn't the only reason tech and baylor got the invite to the big 12 because the tx legislature basically said either they get added or we will cut texas and a and m funding?

Good ol politics.
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tech got in because of state politics.

Baylor got in because of $ and their Law and Medical schools.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Isn't the only reason tech and baylor got the invite to the big 12 because the tx legislature basically said either they get added or we will cut texas and a and m funding?

Good ol politics.
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yeah mentioned something on that earlier in the thread

I mean they are state schools
 
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