Parents With Little Screaming Kids

#126
#126
Rasputin_Vol said:
Personally, if I had a kid, I wouldn't sit my kid at a bar. But that is just me... not making a judgement call about you or your parenting. But either way, if you are going to sit a bar (or anywhere for that matter) and allow a kid to behave the way this kid did the other night, then maybe you should in this instance take it personally and your defensive response may have been appropriate. If not, then it was not directed towards you....
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If you hadn't described this kid's sin as being "talkative," then I probably wouldn't have said anything. But that just sounded a heck of a lot like the crap I've gotten over the last three years from people when my kid hasn't been doing a damn thing wrong other than existing.

Taking a kid out in public is all about context. I'm willing to sit at the bar with him, yes, but only in two particular establishments (where I have been known long enough that he's known too), and when we do so, the bar for acceptable behavior is a lot higher than it would be if we were sitting in the Waffle House, and that bar is a lot higher than it would be if we were at a fast food playground. The problem is that many of the childless don't seem to be aware that context is important, and therefore treat seeing a kid at the Waffle House as though they're enjoying a $130 prix fixe meal at a fine restaurant.
 
#127
#127
Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm sure that there are some obnoxious/sensitive people that would be easily upset about anything. But if you've experienced this type of confrontation multiple times with different people at different venues... :unsure:
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You know even less about this than you do everything else. My kid is the envy of all the moms at the playground, because he never screams, never pitches a fit, and rarely yells even when he's happy. Can't tell you how many times the moms have asked me to trade. But even I have had a dozen or two times over the last 3.5 years when the childless have complained to me that he was talking too loudly, or didn't like that he was standing in his seat loudly, or some other equally vapid and miserable complaint.
 
#128
#128
Vercingetorix said:
The problem is that many of the childless don't seem to be aware that context is important, and therefore treat seeing a kid at the Waffle House as though they're enjoying a $130 prix fixe meal at a fine restaurant.
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Yeah, I went over that in a latter post about being in certain locations and having different levels of expectation in terms of behavior. Just seemed like a few people overreacted to a general statement about unruly behavior from kids. This struck a nerve with me because I just happened to have a recent experience this week. It's not as though I encounter a situation like that all of the time or find myself scratching my eyes out everytime I hear some kid a few feet away laughing or talking. I hope I was clear in making the distinction in my particular case...
 
#129
#129
I unloaded on you mostly because you complained that the kid was "talkative." My kid was talkative while sitting at the bar the other day, too, but it was in a pub which A) I"ve been a regular for a dozen years, and B) they've all known him for his whole life, and C) it's a nonsmoking bar, and D) it was still daylight, and E) it wasn't busy. If any one of those things don't apply, I don't take him there and sit at the bar. Context is everything.

There are a pantload of parents who seem to have no idea about context, either. When your kid pitches a fit and acts like a little bitch at the playground, you him shriek and blow off and you tell him he looks like an idiot. Fine. But when he does the same thing in a grocery store or a restaurant, you get his ass out of there, because public behavior like that is unacceptable. And a three-year-old is old enough to get the difference. A parent that won't enforce that difference is, as I said upthread, a narcissist who doesn't give a crap about other people.
 
#130
#130
Rasputin_Vol said:
Personally, if I had a kid, I wouldn't sit my kid at a bar. But that is just me... not making a judgement call about you or your parenting. But either way, if you are going to sit a bar (or anywhere for that matter) and allow a kid to behave the way this kid did the other night, then maybe you should in this instance take it personally and your defensive response may have been appropriate. If not, then it was not directed towards you....
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It is very easy to say what you will and will not do IF you had a kid. When and if that day arrives, you may find that your perspective changes.
 
#132
#132
How the hell did all of the adults making judgement calls on parents taking their progeny into public grow up? Did you guys spend your youth at home eating all of your meals at the kitchen or dining room table? If so, we're all sorry for your sad upbringing. If not, it's amazing you guys were perfect gentlemen in an adult environment at such an early age.
 
#133
#133
hmanvolfan said:
How the hell did all of the adults making judgement calls on parents taking their progeny into public grow up? Did you guys spend your youth at home eating all of your meals at the kitchen or dining room table? If so, we're all sorry for your sad upbringing. If not, it's amazing you guys were perfect gentlemen in an adult environment at such an early age.
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Once it gets civil ole' Heman comes in. Rarrr! We get it.
 
#135
#135
hmanvolfan said:
:neener2:
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I'm just messing around with you but seriously that was my parents one thing that I knew not to test. Of course, to learn that I had to test and I did it once at K-Mart. I remember it to this day.

My parents always said I was chill almost to the point of not caring. Even to this day if I'm with a group and someone is drunk and starts getting stupid be that on the Strip or around a bunch of other people in general I just walk away.

I just feel that loud people are insecure about something or are just really drunk. All kids are going to have their moment but it feels like recently all these kids moments come when they are around me.
 
#136
#136
hmanvolfan said:
How the hell did all of the adults making judgement calls on parents taking their progeny into public grow up? Did you guys spend your youth at home eating all of your meals at the kitchen or dining room table? If so, we're all sorry for your sad upbringing. If not, it's amazing you guys were perfect gentlemen in an adult environment at such an early age.
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I doubt I qualified as a perfect gentleman, but my parents took us to nice restaurants when we were quite young. it was made very clear that we were not to do anything but behave, and we knew the consequences of not behaving.
 
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#137
rbroyles said:
I doubt I qualified as a perfect gentleman, but my parents took us to nice restaurants when we were quite young. it was made very clear that we were not to do anything but behave, and we knew the consequences of not behaving.
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All the kids in my family knew how to behave in public, but that was a long time ago. Look what the kids have for an example today with all the crap on TV and the movies. You never saw a kid mouth-off to his parents on TV when I was young. Today's sit-coms are not only stupid. They are poor examples of how a child should behave. As soon as one of these dumb "TV kids" insults their parents, on comes the laugh box. :nono: Besides, they are not funny....unless your IQ is about equal to your shoe size.:crazy:
 
#138
#138
overseasorange2 said:
All the kids in my family knew how to behave in public, but that was a long time ago. Look what the kids have for an example today with all the crap on TV and the movies. You never saw a kid mouth-off to his parents on TV when I was young. Today's sit-coms are not only stupid. They are poor examples of how a child should behave. As soon as one of these dumb "TV kids" insults their parents, on comes the laugh box. :nono: Besides, they are not funny....unless your IQ is about equal to your shoe size.:crazy:
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Got that right. If I insulted any grown ups in public I would look like this :vava:
 
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#139
Rasputin_Vol said:
This brings up another issue that drives me crazy. I was at a bar here in Knoxville Monday evening and I get up there and some woman had her kid sitting right up at the bar just ranting and being talkative and carrying on.

I leave work and want to relax with a beer/Wild Turkey 101. The last thing I need is for some snot nosed kid running his mouth and making a scene. If I wanted to here somebody immature just running their mouths and talking about nothing, I could drink at my girlfriend's house.
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Kids are allowed in bars??? seriously are they?
 
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#144
KB5252 said:
It can't possibly be worse than the people with the EBT cards that try to argue they were over charged for a bag of apples. (happened in the line in front of me Sunday)
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Or taking grapes out of the bag to get the cost down. Happened in the checkout lane in front of me.
 
#145
#145
C H A R A C T E R , yes it matters.

It used to mean a great deal. Now a days, it's what's in it for me or if you aren't cheating you aren't trying. I'm sick of the lying, cheating, gaming the system people. ugh!
 
#149
#149
vols 30 said:
That lady got what she deserved. Telling a parent to calm their kids never ends well. Mind your damn business next time!
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I don't think it's a good lesson for her kid to see the mother use physical violence to respond to a person we may not like.
 
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#150
#150
BigPapaVol said:
I'll still make my kids get it right, but my wife is mortified when our kids make a peep in public. I have to routinely tell her that folks just aren't paying as much attention to our kids as she believes and if they are, they can get over it. That said, my two act foolish, it's on.
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This sounds like me wife. She stresses out every time we go out to eat if they are just laughing a little loud. I don't know how many times we have been told how well behaved our kids are after a meal by staff and near by patrons.

It's funny because I will pack up the kids and take them just about anywhere without a second thought whereas my wife frets about it the whole time. She swears it's because mothers are judged differently than dads in public.
 
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