Paris Terror Attack Underway

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SpaceCoastVol said:
Was there a debate? I was watching the _______ football game. (just like they knew everybody would be doing by scheduling it on a Saturday night) What a bunch of douchebags.
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I think their next debate is up again Sunday night football, brilliant ****ing strategy. The less the public hear the better off they are.
 
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fort_vol said:
You guys realize that Syrian refugees are fleeing from these types of attacks right? The single greatest purpose of this country is to give people like this opportunities to have a new life.

If you genuinely believe all of these people are terrorists then, uh, okay. You're on an internet forum and can be as insensitive as you want.
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You're right. Absolutely. Since they are predominantly young males that should be fighting for their people and their homeland, they are far worse. They are cowards. I'd just as soon have the terrorists.


Insensitive. What a farce you leftists are. Don't worry though, I'm armed, and I've got your back.
 
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fort_vol said:
You guys realize that Syrian refugees are fleeing from these types of attacks right? The single greatest purpose of this country is to give people like this opportunities to have a new life.

If you genuinely believe all of these people are terrorists then, uh, okay. You're on an internet forum and can be as insensitive as you want.
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You also know this is one dandy way to sneak in cells of people to commence attacks on a hated enemy, correct?

Nobody on here has claimed each of the refugees are terrorists. But what many on here would probably like to know is the vetting process behind allowing them in. Because in a group of 10,000 people, sneaking 50 trained terrorists isn't exactly a hard task. And in turn, those 50 personnel could cause major damage to any number of soft targets in the United States if unleashed.

I have no doubt many if not most of the refugees coming in are only trying to escape the death and destruction of their original nation. And their intentions are to find a new life in the land that promises safety and opportunity. But I also know if I was in charge of ISIS or Al Qaeda or any number of terrorist groups out there I'd be using my enemy's weaknesses (specifically our propensity for compassion) against them to sneak in teams that would strike against the plethora of soft targets we have in this nation.

And that right there is what concerns me. How are we vetting the individuals coming in? Are there any kinds of backgrounds being performed? Are we just dumping them on the streets with an EBT card and saying "check in if you need anything" and going on our merry way? And seeing this government's history of half-assing almost everything it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they hadn't thought this through entirely.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
I think their next debate is up again Sunday night football, brilliant ****ing strategy. The less the public hear the better off they are.
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It's just marking time anyway, they KNOW that Cankles is their candidate. Hopefully she will do her first State of the Union from a prison cell.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You're right. Absolutely. Since they are predominantly young males that should be fighting for their people and their homeland, they are far worse. They are cowards. I'd just as soon have the terrorists.


Insensitive. What a farce you leftists are. Don't worry though, I'm armed, and I've got your back.
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We're getting the best of both worlds..
 

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Grand Vol said:
I understand the deep cover investigations, sources and methods, linking back to parent organizations/other cells, so on and so forth in many of the cases. However, I've personally seen selected three letter agencies state "yes, group X is working in this particular area and no, you have no need to know what specifically they are doing."

Being that I happened to be at a pretty substantial target at the time, it was frustrating. And sometimes the legs on the ground at the tip of the spear need to know what kind of work to look for. Surveillance? Elicitation? Planning? Rehearsals? Just a generic "yep, bad guys are in your area" doesn't suffice even with local LEOs that had far more jurisdiction than we did.
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This sounds frustrating. Let me ask, why do you think the guys above you seemed to be stonewalling you when you had suspects within reach? What could have been their motivation? Trying to build a better case? Trying to get more names involved in the plot? What could it possibly be?
 
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Grand Vol said:
You also know this is one dandy way to sneak in cells of people to commence attacks on a hated enemy, correct?

Nobody on here has claimed each of the refugees are terrorists. But what many on here would probably like to know is the vetting process behind allowing them in. Because in a group of 10,000 people, sneaking 50 trained terrorists isn't exactly a hard task. And in turn, those 50 personnel could cause major damage to any number of soft targets in the United States if unleashed.

I have no doubt many if not most of the refugees coming in are only trying to escape the death and destruction of their original nation. And their intentions are to find a new life in the land that promises safety and opportunity. But I also know if I was in charge of ISIS or Al Qaeda or any number of terrorist groups out there I'd be using my enemy's weaknesses (specifically our propensity for compassion) against them to sneak in teams that would strike against the plethora of soft targets we have in this nation.

And that right there is what concerns me. How are we vetting the individuals coming in? Are there any kinds of backgrounds being performed? Are we just dumping them on the streets with an EBT card and saying "check in if you need anything" and going on our merry way? And seeing this government's history of half-assing almost everything it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they hadn't thought this through entirely.
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I am sure the State Department of Syria has awesome records on the passports they issue.
 
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Also something is missing with all these US landmark lit up in Red, White & Blue... The White House. Weird since they lit it up in Rainbow colors
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This sounds frustrating. Let me ask, why do you think the guys above you seemed to be stonewalling you when you had suspects within reach? What could have been their motivation? Trying to build a better case? Trying to get more names involved in the plot? What could it possibly be?
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Yes to identifying more names, sources, cells and leadership/overseas connection.

I understand that, but mushrooming local LEO and other protection agencies without giving specifics doesn't help the overall fusion of the intelligence gathering. Basically it's a case of the right hand not talking to the left. Both sides have information to share, but neither side knows what the other is looking for or can help in that regard.

Tim is correct that loose lips sink ships and months/years of investigation work can be destroyed by a single comment given to the wrong person. But at the same time, local LEOs and other investigative agencies can offer substantial intelligence on the matter which federal agencies might miss otherwise. It's the difference in a local cop working a beat that notices something out of place and reporting it than an FBI Agent walking into the same neighborhood where everything seems out of place.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I am sure the State Department of Syria has awesome records on the passports they issue.
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There is a better way and a way that has worked before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Signal

I was there during this operation from the start and it would give the proper time to vet any refugees and provide them a safe environment. And at the same time keep our population safe from the potential terrorist cells trying to work their way in.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Also something is missing with all these US landmark lit up in Red, White & Blue... The White House. Weird since they lit it up in Rainbow colors
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Warm and fuzzies aside, I don't think lighting up our preeminent national symbol/institution with the flag of another nation is a good idea. Apparently some one else thought the same.

The rainbow flag incident is another matter.
 
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volprof said:
Warm and fuzzies aside, I don't think lighting up our preeminent national symbol/institution with the flag of another nation is a good idea. Apparently some one else thought the same.

The rainbow flag incident is another matter.
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Yea heaven forbid we light up the WH in Red, White & Blue for one night in remembrance of our oldest ally
 
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volprof said:
Warm and fuzzies aside, I don't think lighting up our preeminent national symbol/institution with the flag of another nation is a good idea. Apparently some one else thought the same.

The rainbow flag incident is another matter.
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Perhaps not...

But the most recognizable symbol of the United States Army thought it was a nice gesture to recognize and support the French people:

Army runs out on field with both France and U.S. flags (Video) | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo Sports
 
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Burhead said:
Paris attacks: latest updates - BBC News

Admiral James Stavridis (Former Nato Supreme Allied Commander)

"I think this will be a mission of NATO boots on the ground in the range of 10-15,000"
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Kicking the can down the road.

You could send 500,000 NATO troops, and, while it would be an emotional release, us getting to watch jihadists plastered all over Syria and Iraq, it won't solve a damn thing long-term.

The only long-term solution to the ills that plague the Middle East is the West implementing a post-WWII Germany/Europe and Japan strategy for the Middle East. Only economic investment (aided by lots of propaganda) that provides for more equitable distribution of wealth, rather than authoritarian hoarding, will create the kind of stability and relative prosperity necessary for Islamic religious reform.

People don't reform their most basic ideologies during times of instability, chaos, and strife. Rather, they simply dig deeper. The more radical Islamists can convince the uneducated Muslim masses that the West is the one that props up the authoritarian and "unjust" regimes that are the cause of their suffering (which is admittedly partially true), the more those same ignorant Muslim masses will continue to radicalize and think the West the boogeyman out to get them, which really isn't the intent of the West.

You can send in the troops, have your explosions, watch jihadists body parts fly all over the desert, and feel good about yourself, but all you're doing in the process is playing further and further into the jihadist world-historical narrative. It won't actually solve anything long-term. You're just digging your own grave. That's all.

Unfortunately, as we all know, blowing up and destroying **** is much easier than creating things, like a stable Middle East, for instance. I suspect, therefore, that we will just keep doing the same stupid ****, while wasting the valuable trillions that we could have been using all along in investment and aid.
 
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The way I see it, there are only two solutions to this "Muslim problem" we face:

1. Raze the Greater Middle East and the Islamic world to the ground. This includes nuclear/WMD if necessary, but at minimal it requires a complete disregard for collateral damage. Bomb them all like we did Germany and Japan and bomb them without care for human life. In the process, either kill so many of them they'll never recover or intern/imprison many of the rest, especially the males. Long-term, pursue and complete a policy of ethnic and religious cleansing so that Islam is essentially "weeded out" of human populations.

2. Follow my plan, as I have explicated in a couple posts in this thread.

There is no in-between. 15,000 troops, 100,000 troops, 5,000,000 troops, none of that matters if you're unwilling to completely change the fundamental structure that currently determines the fate and destiny of that part of the world. Only options 1 and 2 above change that essential chemistry and basic substructure. There is no half-assing this and expecting to get away with it.
 
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volprof said:
The way I see it, there are only two solutions to this "Muslim problem" we face:

1. Raze the Greater Middle East and the Islamic world to the ground. This includes nuclear/WMD if necessary, but at minimal it requires a complete disregard for collateral damage. Bomb them all like we did Germany and Japan and bomb them without care for human life. In the process, either kill so many of them they'll never recover or intern/imprison many of the rest, especially the males. Long-term, pursue and complete a policy of ethnic and religious cleansing so that Islam is essentially "weeded out" of human populations.

2. Follow my plan, as I have explicated in a couple posts in this thread.

There is no in-between. 15,000 troops, 100,000 troops, 5,000,000 troops, none of that matters if you're unwilling to completely change the fundamental structure that currently determines the fate and destiny of that part of the world. Only options 1 and 2 above change that essential chemistry and basic substructure. There is no half-assing this and expecting to get away with it.
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OPtion 3. Special forces targeted assassination. Bad guys just die in the middle of the night. No fanfare, not troop announcements, no media coverage. Just dead. This includes heads of state that are getting too big for their britches. Yup. Them too. But it will never happen because that would not be the 'civilized' thing to do. So more incidents like Paris will happen. We will hit the snooze button yet again and be amazed/scared/outraged when it does.
 
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