Paris Terror Attack Underway

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ReaderVol said:
I will not forget about Israel.
My thoughts are to go after any and all who attack or support those who attack. But to do it with swift, strong and decisive strikes that completely destroy. Power brings peace. Always has and always will.
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Here's my answer on the House of Saud. You are the one who will not answer. Do you follow Islam? If I said Mohamed was a rapist, murdering thug. Does that bother you?
 
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ReaderVol said:
Here's my answer on the House of Saud. You are the one who will not answer. Do you follow Islam? If I said Mohamed was a rapist, murdering thug. Does that bother you?
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No, it doesn't bother me.

I'm a libertarian that believes in the Bill of Rights and people's right to free speech.
 
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ReaderVol said:
So your strong sense of defense of the terrorists comes from where? You obvious hatred of Israel come from?
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My strong sense of defending terrorists? Have you read this thread? I've askd you people and pleaded with you to aim your wrath at The House of Saud and Wahhabis...
 
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Grand Vol said:
Still didn't answer the question posed.

How do we stop radical Islam and the threat it poses?
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I'll answer the best I can in three ways.

How to end ISIS as an organization: A good place to start would be going after the sources of their funding. You know, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar. Being buddy buddy with their biggest supporters seems counterproductive, no? Locate their smuggling routes, sanction any party that participates in their economy, destroy any source of income they're potentially using. Burn their opium fields, clear their oilfields. Cripple them financially.

How to stop ISIS militarily: This is asymmetric warfare. There is no simple solution. I lean much closer towards the idea of precise, tactical strikes and special operations assassination of high value targets instead of indiscriminate slaughter. I do not think occupation is a winning strategy at this point any longer. Focus on protecting our country and our allies from attacks like Paris; support those in the middle east who are serious about getting rid of ISIS. It doesn't always have to be us, being Team America World Police greatly contributed to the situation we are in now. Find those we can support in the region who are serious about fighting ISIS, like the Kurds.

How to stop the ideal of radical Islam: How to you kill an ideal? I think the only way radical islam, as an ideal, is eradicated is through education and a culture shift. As we have already examined, dropping a nuclear bomb on a city with maybe a few hundred ISIS militants in it is only going to draw more to their cause. This is the biggest problem with combating radicalism. No matter how big a bomb you have, or how many guns you have, you're blasting an ethereal target. Much of this radicalism is taught and bred in the gulf states, our supposed allies. We should focus on the source of Wahhabism and force these governments(again, our supposed allies) to end all support for wahhabist movements. We're tackling a problem from the ass end instead of the head.

I'm sure my answers will be considered unsatisfactory, and I know for a fact that I do not have all the answers. It's a complex situation that will require a complex solution. Not many of us here, me included, have sufficient answers. However, I do know the knee jerk, emotional responses of "bomb all mooslims" (I don't think you're one of those guys, GV) aren't going to solve anything but the satisfaction of those calling for such attacks. We have to be smart. Doing exactly what they want us to do, by all reasonable accounts, is not smart.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I'll answer the best I can in three ways.

How to end ISIS as an organization: A good place to start would be going after the sources of their funding. You know, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar. Being buddy buddy with their biggest supporters seems counterproductive, no? Locate their smuggling routes, sanction any party that participates in their economy, destroy any source of income they're potentially using. Burn their opium fields, clear their oilfields. Cripple them financially.

How to stop ISIS militarily: This is asymmetric warfare. There is no simple solution. I lean much closer towards the idea of precise, tactical strikes and special operations assassination of high value targets instead of indiscriminate slaughter. I do not think occupation is a winning strategy at this point any longer. Focus on protecting our country and our allies from attacks like Paris; support those in the middle east who are serious about getting rid of ISIS. It doesn't always have to be us, being Team America World Police greatly contributed to the situation we are in now. Find those we can support in the region who are serious about fighting ISIS, like the Kurds.

How to stop the ideal of radical Islam: How to you kill an ideal? I think the only way radical islam, as an ideal, is eradicated is through education and a culture shift. As we have already examined, dropping a nuclear bomb on a city with maybe a few hundred ISIS militants in it is only going to draw more to their cause. This is the biggest problem with combating radicalism. No matter how big a bomb you have, or how many guns you have, you're blasting an ethereal target. Much of this radicalism is taught and bred in the gulf states, our supposed allies. We should focus on the source of Wahhabism and force these governments(again, our supposed allies) to end all support for wahhabist movements. We're tackling a problem from the ass end instead of the head.

I'm sure my answers will be considered unsatisfactory, and I know for a fact that I do not have all the answers. It's a complex situation that will require a complex solution. Not many of us here, me included, have sufficient answers. However, I do know the knee jerk, emotional responses of "bomb all mooslims" (I don't think you're one of those guys, GV) aren't going to solve anything but the satisfaction of those calling for such attacks. We have to be smart. Doing exactly what they want us to do, by all reasonable accounts, is not smart.
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Actually I agree with most of your prose here. I have espoused a SpecOps type of tack. Kill them in the middle of the night while they sleep. The big difference between us is that I do not care if you kill their children as well.


Cut off their funds. Absolutely.

Close their mosques. Yup. Drive them underground, that's OK too, because they will be found in their isolation. When they hide in plain sight, it is much more difficult. Regardless of the methods, they need to die, and the problem is that the squeamish leftists call it murder. I call it self preservation.

It's all moot though, because as I said in another post, we will hit the snooze button, and wait to be surprised again.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Ahh making an ass out of you and..well you. If anyone is emotional its you with your maniacal defense of the most evil religion on earth. Pat yourself on the back.
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You're so obsessed with the idea that I like Islam that you're blind to the straw man you're creating. I am not defending the religion, and I am not defending radicals. The absolutely saddest part of this whole absurd charade where you've convinced yourself in your small, empty head that I'm some sort of radical sympathizer is that all I'm doing is arguing that we NOT kill every single Muslim because they aren't all radical terrorists. I don't like Islam, but I also don't like killing innocent people. And apparently, arguing that is enough for the simpletons to label me as radical apologist, because your myopic understanding of the world only allows for an infantile notion of good and evil.

If you disagree with that, and think all muslims are a threat and potential terrorists who deserve to die, just go ahead and say so. Either address what I've actually said or stop beating around the bush and say what you want, muslim genocide.

Ahh princess don't you wish that was remotely true. Next time you're staring at the blatantly homosexual flight attendant on your flight, ignore the movement on his lips that attracts you like a moth to the flame and listen to his government mandated words. :yahoo:
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Please keep your fantasies to yourself. :thumbsup:
 
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I'm not sure why you would feel I would believe your answers to be unsatisfactory. They are well thought out and rational. While I don't fully agree with each and every point, it's certainly a base for further discussion.
 
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President Barack Obama said that ISIS was 'contained' just a day before the terrorist group claimed responsibility for a horrific attack in Paris that killed 128 people on Friday.

In an interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that aired on Friday's broadcast of Good Morning America, Obama declared that he didn't believe ISIS (also known as ISIL) was gaining strength

Wow, what an idiot POS we have as a leader.
 
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AirVol said:
President Barack Obama said that ISIS was 'contained' just a day before the terrorist group claimed responsibility for a horrific attack in Paris that killed 128 people on Friday.

In an interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that aired on Friday's broadcast of Good Morning America, Obama declared that he didn't believe ISIS (also known as ISIL) was gaining strength

Wow, what an idiot POS we have as a leader.
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Yep. DF in Chief.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Why yes I am. It was a discussion that was over your head apparently. Ras is wrong on some of his points IMO. But at least he seems to think about his goofy answers. You however? Not so much
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What discussion? You continuously asking him if he's a muslim and other silly **** like whether calling mohamed a murdering rapist upsets him when there is absolutely nothing he's said that would imply such? In your mind, that constitutes discussion?

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1972 Grad said:
That should really help things.
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Did he tell him how Islam was really peaceful and all those people murdered in the Middle East since the 7th Century is purely nonsense?

Regardless, its a nonsensical religion. Nothing in its text is based on the word of God. Muhammad is the sole founder of Islam and its his words and his words alone.

After the crucifixion of Jesus, God proclaimed no more prophets would be sent to spread his word. Muhammad therefore, can not be a prophet of Allah(God) because that would be against the word of God. Muhammad was born 600 years after the Death of Jesus. He was a heretic, a false prophet

But, that's none of my business

( I'm not a bible thumping Christian fanatic either)
 
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MercyPercy said:
What discussion? You continuously asking him if he's a muslim and other silly **** like whether calling mohamed a murdering rapist upsets him when there is absolutely nothing he's said that would imply such? In your mind, that constitutes discussion?

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Why would I ask him if he's Islamic? I'll help you out here scooter. When discussing these matters over the years I've learned that a person of Islamic faith sees things entirely different than those who do not. It helps with the discussion.
You? You're simple to read. A mush minded liberal.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Why would I ask him if he's Islamic? I'll help you out here scooter. When discussing these matters over the years I've learned that a person of Islamic faith sees things entirely different than those who do not. It helps with the discussion.
You? You're simple to read. A mush minded liberal.
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We sure agree in the politics forum
 
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