Paul Pelosi attacked in home invasion

[davethevol]

You can be on deck and if Sea Ray sees the folly of arguing about this, then we’ll do the same exercise with just your post history of calling things evil and see how long it takes to get to something that remotely resembles a Republican politician, one of their handlers, or anything remotely right wing.

I stand behind my post history. I make no apologies for saying anything about any politician, any handler, or any lawyer. Now, go chase an ambulance.

 

[RockyTop85]

I stand behind my post history. I make no apologies for saying anything about any politician, any handler, or any lawyer. Now, go chase an ambulance.

Whether you actually believe everybody who disagrees with you is evil is beside the point, David. The point is whether you actually believe all politicians are evil or whether that’s a lie that you concocted to avoid having team red tarred with your post history.

You know what the answer will be, which is why you’re getting feisty. Now settle down, I’m not one of those posters that demands an immediate response.

 

[Sea Ray]

So when Trump did it, it was a part of his greatest skill ... but when Hillary Clinton did it - she was doing something wrong? Cool.

Don't create strawmen. Use my exact words. Hillary was calling half the country deplorable. Trump was saying that some of these folks coming here illegally were violent and rapists. Big difference

 

[Sea Ray]

You made the claim he was responding to: “the left takes it a step further. They call you a bad person, example: deplorable. The right doesn't take it that far.”

You’re really going to argue that and nitpick a partial list of times the right did exactly that? I mean you understand the idiom, right?

I’ll tell you what I’m going to do, in advance. Every time you respond to me in this thread, regardless of what you say, I’m going to reply with just an example of somebody on the right taking it that far. We’ll see who loses interest faster. I’ll start with one from this forum, I’m sure it won’t be the last.

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Oh, and here’s your response to those posts, so it’s not like you didn’t see them:

I'm not here to defend any other posters. I do think her position on that issue was idiotic but I do not think she's a bad person.

 

[davethevol]

Whether you actually believe everybody who disagrees with you is evil is beside the point, David. The point is whether you actually believe all politicians are evil or whether that’s a lie that you concocted to avoid having team red tarred with your post history.

You know what the answer will be, which is why you’re getting feisty. Now settle down, I’m not one of those posters that demands an immediate response.

I’m feisty because I’m sick with the flu and feel like crap. And I don’t lie. There are very few politicians that I believe are good people. I could name a handful on both sides that I believe really wanted to help (Dems like Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney I respect).

 

[BowlBrother85]

Don't create strawmen. Use my exact words. Hillary was calling half the country deplorable. Trump was saying that some of these folks coming here illegally were violent and rapists. Big difference

Once again, you may only be citing one example with Hillary Clinton ... but I'm not with Donald Trump. He has a well-established 4 year track record of launching personal attacks and insults against people who are critical of him. There is a big difference, indeed. With Hillary Clinton, her deplorables comment was more of an isolated incident ... whereas Trump spent 4 years on Twitter and in his rallies insulting people.

 

[Sea Ray]

Once again, you may only be citing one example with Hillary Clinton ... but I'm not with Donald Trump. He has a well-established 5 year track record of launching personal attacks and insults against people who are critical of him. There is a big difference, indeed. With Hillary Clinton, her deplorables comment was more of an isolated incident ... whereas Trump spent 4 years on Twitter and in his rallies insulting people.

We can agree that Trump is a problem. He said tons of stupid things. Hillary's comment was something planned. It was a strategy; an unforced error. I loved it when she said it and couldn't believe she'd make such an error politically. Trump is not a politician. That was his appeal actually

 

[VOLS INC.]

We can agree that Trump is a problem. He said tons of stupid things. Hillary's comment was something planned. It was a strategy; an unforced error. I loved it when she said it and couldn't believe she'd make such an error politically. Trump is not a politician. That was his appeal actually

Good point.
I also don’t understand the rationale behind believing all lies are created equal. Yes, a lie is a lie. That’s true.

But what is also True is Trump lying about crowd sizes or whatever self promoting BS he uses to market himself is not the same as Obama touring the entire country and flat-out lying about the ability to keep your Doctor in order to pass a major piece of legislation. Or Biden lying about the vaccine stopping the spread of COVID.

 

[McDad]

We can agree that Trump is a problem. He said tons of stupid things. Hillary's comment was something planned. It was a strategy; an unforced error. I loved it when she said it and couldn't believe she'd make such an error politically. Trump is not a politician. That was his appeal actually

Yes, and no.

While Trump doesn't necessarily plan all the stupid things he utters, he absolutely has a life philosophy (one which has served him well) which he follows at all times. That philosophy is, there is no such thing as bad press. He doesn't plan on saying stupid things but he will always choose the most bombastic, most outrageous, most notorious verbal path because he has learned how to maximize PR. He is akin to a shock-joke DJ who constantly trolls the listeners to drive ratings.
Trump never changed his philosophy to become "presidential". He never will change his philosophy because if it ain't broke, why fix it?

 

[Majors]

Once again, you may only be citing one example with Hillary Clinton ... but I'm not with Donald Trump. He has a well-established 4 year track record of launching personal attacks and insults against people who are critical of him. There is a big difference, indeed. With Hillary Clinton, her deplorables comment was more of an isolated incident ... whereas Trump spent 4 years on Twitter and in his rallies insulting people.

Her Superpredators comment about inner city youth was decades ago (1996). But yet here we are with her as a mouthpiece to the lefts rhetoric.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Yes, and no.

While Trump doesn't necessarily plan all the stupid things he utters, he absolutely has a life philosophy (one which has served him well) which he follows at all times. That philosophy is, there is no such thing as bad press. He doesn't plan on saying stupid things but he will always choose the most bombastic, most outrageous, most notorious verbal path because he has learned how to maximize PR. He is akin to a shock-joke DJ who constantly trolls the listeners to drive ratings.
Trump never changed his philosophy to become "presidential". He never will change his philosophy because if it ain't broke, why fix it?

One thing he did that still impresses me to this day. All these rich well educated politicians go to Iowa every election cycle. They put on some plaid shirt their assistant bought for them. Add a twang to their voice like Brian Kelly with his FAAAmily comment. And turn into something they are not for votes.

Trump shows up in a suit!

Now that doesn’t make someone a great POTUS or a great person, but give me more of that than this constant pandering I see all the damn time.

 

[McDad]

One thing he did that still impresses me to this day. All these rich well educated politicians go to Iowa every election cycle. They put on some plaid shirt their assistant bought for them. Add a twang to their voice like Brian Kelly with his FAAAmily comment. And turn into something they are not for votes.

Trump shows up in a suit!

Now that doesn’t make someone a great POTUS or a great person, but give me more of that than this constant pandering I see all the damn time.

I offered to several posters who despised Trump that he is as bad as anyone else, he just didn't hide it behind the polished / fake facade.
I expect LBJ privately was as bad if not worse than Trump was publicly.

 

[Vol Main]

That is a lie. I said that I would describe her (Hillary Clinton) commissioning of the Steele dossier as wrong.

Hillary Clinton did not commission the Steel Dossier. During the 2016 primaries, Republicans candidates hired a private firm to do opposition research on Donald Trump. The firm hired Steele, who did not know who engaged the firm to do the job. When Trump won the nomination, the Republicans who hired the research firm dropped it, and only then did the Clinton Campaign step into the situation by hiring the firm, basically for research on Trump that was already done. Before the whole thing became rather public, Steele did not even know who was paying for the job. He never worked directly for the Republican candidates or for Clinton.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Hillary Clinton did not commission the Steel Dossier. During the 2016 primaries, Republicans hired a private firm to do opposition research on Donald Trump. The firm hired Steele, who did not know who engaged the firm to do the job. When Trump won the nomination, the Republicans who hired the research firm dropped it, and only then did the Clinton Campaign step into the situation by hiring the firm to continue doing opposition research on Trump. Before the whole thing became rather public, Steele did not even know who was paying for the job. He never worked directly for the Republican candidates or for Clinton.

I've heard conflicting things about that. I guess it depends on what you want to believe. The right wants to believe that it was Hillary ... and I've never really cared for her anyway, so that's what I roll with.

 

[Majors]

I've heard conflicting things about that. I guess it depends on what you want to believe. The right wants to believe that it was Hillary ... and I've never really cared for her anyway, so that's what I roll with.

Nothing conflicting. It was the Dems and Hillary camp also paid up to the tune of 113K for spreading the lie.

Trial begins for Russian analyst who was source for flawed Trump dossier

 

[VOLS INC.]

I offered to several posters who despised Trump that he is as bad as anyone else, he just didn't hide it behind the polished / fake facade.
I expect LBJ privately was as bad if not worse than Trump was publicly.

Agreed. The problem is people find security in the facade. “Oh. He/She is so inspiring! So well spoken. Such integrity!”

Gimme a break! They are essentially overpaid actors. Their primary job, as they see it, is to get re-elected and move up the ranks. It’s why I almost always vote for policy over politicians.

 

[McDad]

Agreed. The problem is people find security in the facade. “Oh. He/She is so inspiring! So well spoken. Such integrity!”

Gimme a break! They are essentially overpaid actors. Their primary job, as they see it, is to get re-elected and move up the ranks. It’s why I almost always vote for policy over politicians.

in complete agreement.

I've occasionally wondered which politician would I like to spend time with apart from their office / power? Like, it would be cool to be a fly on the wall as any president was going about their day. But aside from that experience, would I wanna be trapped in a car on a trip with them for 8 hours? ...I cannot think of any politician who I would enjoy spending a day with.

 

[Vol Main]

Not education, but indoctrination. Get a refund.

Where did you get the idea that educated people are more easily indoctrinated than uneducated people? First of all, what's taught in universities is examined for accuracy, by all sorts of people who just love to score points by disproving false beliefs. Those folks look at everything that's taught, inside out and six ways from Sunday. They are not a bunch of blow-hard, con artists like you might encounter in today's media. The point is that educated people have a background of thoroughly tested information to use as context in their own truth testing. They are far more resistant to manipulation, because they know how to think critically. It's the less educated folks who are more subject to "brainwashing." Of course, many individuals specialize their field of study. For example, how does studying dentistry or engineering develop an informational background to use as a context for truth testing political issues? It doesn't. Unfortunately, many journalists do not get much of that sort of background, either. There's a lot of those folks who not not know much at all about the subjects of the stories they cover.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Wrong. By his own statements to the police, DePape broke into the Pelosi home to kidnap her and break her knee caps .... because he hates Democrats. That was not spin. That was a full confession to law enforcement officials.

As badly as you want this freak to be a Democrat ... His own recorded confessions say otherwise. That is what matters ... not your own personal feelings.

His own admissions say nothing about him being a Democrat or a Republican. The only indication of politics comes from his ex where she stated she has always been a progressive and his views aligned with hers. Womp womp.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It is possible to hate Democrats and not be a Republican. It is also possible to buy into crazy right-based conspiracies AND champion crazy leftist concepts. Crazy likes crazy.

Those characteristics describe to attacker most accurately. Yall are just trying to push him to the other side for reasons.

Those progressive Dems don’t seem very friendly to moderates like Manchin do they?

 

[BowlBrother85]

One thing he did that still impresses me to this day. All these rich well educated politicians go to Iowa every election cycle. They put on some plaid shirt their assistant bought for them. Add a twang to their voice like Brian Kelly with his FAAAmily comment. And turn into something they are not for votes.

Trump shows up in a suit!

Now that doesn’t make someone a great POTUS or a great person, but give me more of that than this constant pandering I see all the damn time.

Give me a break.

Donald Trump Is Promoting School Prayer to Rally His Base

^^^ If that isn't pandering, I don't know what the f*** is. ^^^

 

[Vol Main]

I've heard conflicting things about that. I guess it depends on what you want to believe. The right wants to believe that it was Hillary ... and I've never really cared for her anyway, so that's what I roll with.

No, it does not depend on what you want to believe. It depends on reliable sources for authentic and accurate information. Rolling with misinformation makes you what? Hint, it's not good.

 

[BowlBrother85]

No, it does not depend on what you want to believe. It depends on reliable sources for authentic and accurate information.

Maybe so. It's just not an argument that matters to me.

 

[BowlBrother85]

His own admissions say nothing about him being a Democrat or a Republican. The only indication of politics comes from his ex where she stated she has always been a progressive and his views aligned with hers. Womp womp.

That is not true.

Under 15 a of the affidavit, it is said that DePape broke into the home for the purpose of taking Nancy Pelosi hostage and breaking her kneecaps. There was also a stated reason given. It was that Nancy Pelosi was the leader of the pack of lies told by the Democratic Party.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Where did you get the idea that educated people are more easily indoctrinated than uneducated people? First of all, what's taught in universities is examined for accuracy, by all sorts of people who just love to score points by disproving false beliefs. Those folks look at everything that's taught, inside out and six ways from Sunday. They are not a bunch of blow-hard, con artists like you might encounter in today's media. The point is that educated people have a background of thoroughly tested information to use as context in their own truth testing. They are far more resistant to manipulation, because they know how to think critically. It's the less educated folks who are more subject to "brainwashing." Of course, many individuals specialize their field of study. For example, how does studying dentistry or engineering develop an informational background to use as a context for truth testing political issues? It doesn't. Unfortunately, many journalists do not get much of that sort of background, either. There's a lot of those folks who not not know much at all about the subjects of the stories they cover.

You are giving academia in America way too much credit. I’m currently in a PH.D program. We read all kinds of material. We were assigned a textbook a professor at the University of Miami wrote and this textbook is the primary resource for her class (and probably used at other schools as well). The book covered Globalization and used the term “Far-Right” over 20 times. Never once was the term “Far-Left” used. Not even when describing Marxist or Marx himself. I guess the Far-left does not exist. Another book we were just recently assigned was a widely used 7th edition textbook regarding leadership theory. The authors referenced Trump over 120 times, and bashed him from cover to cover. This is an actual quote from the textbook “The Biden/Harris ticket had something to offer everyone, except for Trump loyalist”.

In my class, we are all educated adults pursuing a Doctorate. We are assigned these books in order to form well rounded arguments. But these books are primarily assigned to 18 year old kids by political activist pretending to be college professors.

I agree the indoctrination narrative has been blown out of proportion to some degree. However, academia in America is a cesspool for the most part. Especially at the undergraduate level and below. They aren’t teaching kids how to think, they are teaching them what to think.