Paul Pelosi attacked in home invasion

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whodeycin85 said:
@RockyTop85
Do you find it odd or normal for a perp to allow his victim to call the police in full view of them? And even talk to the police?
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You’re asking the wrong question. Criminals being bad at crime is the norm.

So is this person, who several sources say has some history of delusion or psychosis, is capable of planning and executing a home invasion to kidnap the speaker of the house that lives up to your standard?

I don’t know, because I don’t know David DePape. But I don’t have any problem believing that an inexperienced, mentally unstable criminal could have conceived a faulty plan and then failed to maintain good control of the situation. It’s also conceivable that he panicked, did not immediately known how to respond, and reacted in a way that neither you or I think was prudent. That kind of **** happens every day, just not in the “failed attempted kidnapping of the speaker of the house” context.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
You’re asking the wrong question.

The correct question is whether this person, who several sources say has some history of delusion or psychosis, is capable of planning and executing a home invasion to kidnap the speaker of the house that lives up to your standard.

As to that, I have no idea. Because I don’t know David DePape.

But I do think that an inexperienced, mentally unstable criminal could have conceived a faulty plan and then failed to maintain good control of the situation. It’s quite conceivable that he could have panicked, not known how to respond, and reacted in a way that neither you or I think was prudent. That kind of **** happens every day, just not in the “failed attempted kidnapping of the speaker of the house” context.
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So he had enough wits to plan on kneecaping the speaker....with zipties and such...then panicked when he saw it was Paul...and in his unstable mind...thought. Hey I'll let him call the cops an then talk to them as well....then I'll waiting till they get here to attack him. Interesting...most unstable people who panic attack and run....not give victim a phone to call the cops....

To me I think he and Paul had a disagreement orver something.... Paul threaten an followed thru calling the police when Depape would leave....thats why depape took over the phone call and identified himself as a friend.....then when the cops so we. He popped .. as for his explanation of events..... wouldn't be the first time cops sweated out a false recall of events....otherwise. Why plead not guilty....I all true he has no chance
 
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RockyTop85 said:
You’re asking the wrong question. Criminals being bad at crime is the norm.

So is this person, who several sources say has some history of delusion or psychosis, is capable of planning and executing a home invasion to kidnap the speaker of the house that lives up to your standard?

I don’t know, because I don’t know David DePape. But I don’t have any problem believing that an inexperienced, mentally unstable criminal could have conceived a faulty plan and then failed to maintain good control of the situation. It’s also conceivable that he panicked, did not immediately known how to respond, and reacted in a way that neither you or I think was prudent. That kind of **** happens every day, just not in the “failed attempted kidnapping of the speaker of the house” context.
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Dang man, you spin so hard you're either a DJ or you got vertigo.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So he had enough wits to plan on kneecaping the speaker....with zipties and such...then panicked when he saw it was Paul...and in his unstable mind...thought. Hey I'll let him call the cops an then talk to them as well....then I'll waiting till they get here to attack him. Interesting...most unstable people who panic attack and run....not give victim a phone to call the cops....

To me I think he and Paul had a disagreement orver something.... Paul threaten an followed thru calling the police when Depape would leave....thats why depape took over the phone call and identified himself as a friend.....then when the cops so we. He popped .. as for his explanation of events..... wouldn't be the first time cops sweated out a false recall of events....otherwise. Why plead not guilty....I all true he has no chance
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Prolly didn't get his loyal customer card punched the week before and the dude wouldn't give him his freebie.

OR >>> Paul was dancing around lip synching to "You CAn't Touch This...Hammertime" and DePape kept missing him and hitting the window.


And one other thing - where did Depape strike his blows with the hammer....weren't some reported the head?? And Paul wasn't in ICU. Hard to take a hammer to the head more than once and not be in pretty banged up shape. Was he attacked with the hammer before, during, or after the 911 call? There's so much they got wrong with this prank. They shoulda got Trump to help plan it all out. THat gangsta ain't never had nothing stick to his a**.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So he had enough wits to plan on kneecaping the speaker....with zipties and such...then panicked when he saw it was Paul...and in his unstable mind...thought. Hey I'll let him call the cops an then talk to them as well....then I'll waiting till they get here to attack him. Interesting...most unstable people who panic attack and run....not give victim a phone to call the cops....

To me I think he and Paul had a disagreement orver something.... Paul threaten an followed thru calling the police when Depape would leave....thats why depape took over the phone call and identified himself as a friend.....then when the cops so we. He popped .. as for his explanation of events..... wouldn't be the first time cops sweated out a false recall of events....otherwise. Why plead not guilty....I all true he has no chance
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So Paul just made up the part about him looking for Nancy when he called 911?

Per “the narrative,” DePape didn’t know she wasn’t home. If she had been home, he apparently would have run smack into a platoon of Capitol police officers. So I’m not sure touting his planning abilities is really on your side, here.

Nobody pleads guilty at the arraignment. “Pleads not guilty” is in nearly every news story about every arraignment ever reported. I think I’ve seen one person plead guilty at arraignment. If somebody is telling you that’s evidence of anything you should stop listening to them.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So Paul just made up the part about him looking for Nancy when he called 911?

Per “the narrative,” DePape didn’t know she wasn’t home. If she had been home, he apparently would have run smack into a platoon of Capitol police officers. So I’m not sure touting his planning abilities is really on your side, here.

Nobody pleads guilty at the arraignment. “Pleads not guilty” is in nearly every news story about every arraignment ever reported. I think I’ve seen one person plead guilty at arraignment. If somebody is telling you that’s evidence of anything you should stop listening to them.
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Exactly, her being gone was part of the plan. Why is this so hard for you. In the words of the two greatest west coast officers of all time...This is thin, Yeah Anemic.

Not to mention all those private security neighbrhood officers they got round there that are not part of her personal detail. And would have vacated the area since they didn't need to back up the Capitol Police that weren't there.

This ploy was so ill-conceived it makes all their attempts to bring down Trump look professional.
 
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GVF said:
Exactly, her being gone was part of the plan. Why is this so hard for you. In the words of the two greatest west coast officers of all time...This is thin, Yeah Anemic.

Not to mention all those private security neighbrhood officers they got round there that are not part of her personal detail. And wouldn't have vacated the area since they didn't need to back up the Capitol Police that weren't there.
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Speaking about you, specifically, this is difficult for me because you’ve trotted out about 6 different theories in the last day and a half. Why don’t you settle on one that reconciles all of the evidence and then come back and test it out and we’ll see whether your ability to make up a story that synthesizes all of the evidence is superior to that of a delusional psychotic.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Speaking about you, specifically, this is difficult for me because you’ve trotted out about 6 different theories in the last day and a half. Why don’t you settle on one that reconciles all of the evidence and then come back and test it out and we’ll see whether your ability to make up a story that synthesizes all of the evidence did superior to that of a delusional psychotic.
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Why don't you trot out something that is actually believable instead of torchbearing their pathetic recount of the alleged assault. Face it, it's nothing more than a mid-term voting stunt. Why else would he be immediately tied to MAGA and all the talking points, including the POTUS, using this as a threat against democracy. And you're a sucker. You have yet to begin reconciling evidence that is nothing more than laughing stock. Lawyers like you is why people get cheated out of money if you can't look at from but one angle.

The "delusional" perp did not hatch the plan. He and his girl were poorly trained actors, in a poorly hatched plot. Have you literally not learned anything form your party since the hour they started trying to hatch plots on Trump. He was no where close to this one and they still bung holed it.
 
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GVF said:
Why don't you trot out something that is actually believable instead of torchbearing their pathetic recount of the alleged assault. Face it, it's nothing more than a mid-term voting stunt. Why else would he be immediately tied to MAGA and all the talking points, including the POTUS, using this as a threat against democracy. And you're a sucker. You have yet to begin reconciling evidence that is nothing more than laughing stock. Lawyers like you is why people get cheated out of money if you can't look at from but one angle.
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😂🤣

“Face it, I’m right because there’s no way that the glass fell outside. Oh wait, what’s that? Glass can fall outside? Okay well I’m still clearly right because mentally I’ll people who think they are Jesus make for perfect crimes and Jussie Smollet… or gay sex… or… something.”

Take a Valium, Karen.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
😂🤣

“Face it, I’m right because there’s no way that the glass fell outside. Oh wait, what’s that? Glass can fall outside? Okay well I’m still clearly right because Jussie Smollet… or gay sex… or… something.”

Take a Valium, Karen.
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I don't need a valium. I'm totally laughing my arse off at you trying to carry this cross on this "incident". The whole shebang falls right in line with all their other sting operations, and you are on your knees in the flash of a hammer.


Gullible..I say..Just Gullible. WEren't nobody getting past the neighborhood private security, with or without the CP, to beat on his window (and meat), unless they were cleared to be let by.
 
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GVF said:
I don't need a valium. I'm totally laughing my arse off at you trying to carry this cross on this "incident". The whole shebang falls right in line with all their other sting operations, and you are on your knees in the flash of a hammer.
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You know what the evidence doesn’t fit in line with? All of the many attempted explanations you’ve trotted out so far in this thread.

If you weren’t pissed off beyond the point of rational thought, you wouldn’t be throwing out incoherent ******** and glomming on to every half baked idea that everybody else posits, to try to find some kind of viable alternative explanation. It’s called floundering, and it’s a bad look.

Go take a breather and when you come back try to mix the insults in with something that actually merits a substantive response.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
You know what the evidence doesn’t fit in line with? All of the many attempted explanations you’ve trotted out so far in this thread.

If you weren’t pissed off beyond the point of rational thought, you wouldn’t be throwing out incoherent ******** and glomming on to every half baked idea that everybody else posits, to try to find some kind of viable alternative explanation. It’s called floundering, and it’s a bad look.

Go take a breather and when you come back try to mix the insults in with something that actually merits a substantive response.
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One's adversary must first be substantive to merit a substantive response.

If you weren't trying so hard to act like this wasn't fabricated.......


Let's face it, even Luth and Septic ain't trying to fight on this hill.
 
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GVF said:
We aren't really making ourselves look stupid. You're the one carrying Paul's weenie like this in some was was not a stunt.
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You have not explained what David DePape had to gain by confessing a version of events to the police which aligns perfectly with Paul Pelosi's. DePape is going to be facing hard time at either San Quentin or possibly even Folsom. San Quentin, in particular, has an incredibly high mortality rate for gay inmates. They are either killed in general population, or they kill themselves in administrative segregation, within the first 3 years of their incarceration. Why would DePape have made that story up that he gave to the police? His life will not be better off for it. That's for sure.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You have not explained what David DePape had to gain by confessing a version of events to the police which aligns perfectly with Paul Pelosi's. DePape is going to be facing hard time at either San Quentin or possibly even Folsom. San Quentin, in particular, has an incredibly high mortality rate for gay inmates. They are either killed in general population, or they kill themselves in administrative segregation, within the first 3 years of their incarceration. Why would DePape have made that story up that he gave to the police? His life will not be better off for it. That's for sure.
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I'm sure he's heard of Epstien and they made him an offer he couldn't refuse.....
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You have not explained what David DePape had to gain by confessing a version of events to the police which aligns perfectly with Paul Pelosi's. DePape is going to be facing hard time at either San Quentin or possibly even Folsom. San Quentin, in particular, has an incredibly high mortality rate for gay inmates. They are either killed in general population, or they kill themselves in administrative segregation, within the first 3 years of their incarceration. Why would DePape have made that story up that he gave to the police? His life will not be better off for it. That's for sure.
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He’s going to be prosecuted by separate sovereigns and end up having time in federal prison waiting for him after the gets done in the California penal system.

But Paul may not have told him that when he was agreeing to a hammer shot to the dome that would be just hard enough to crack his skull and put him in the ICU but not hard enough to leave his 82 year old ass in a vegetative state.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Most common scenario in such situations :

He told the police the truth before he had spoken with a lawyer. His attorneys will probably use some type of insanity defense.
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So he lied after , not before , because he wasn’t crazy before , but is now ? Everyone that any news outlet has interviewed about him says exactly the same things .. he’s crazy and uses drugs . It wouldn’t make logical sense to put anymore emphasis on his first statement to cops , than his last in court .
 
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