Peace-loving and religiously tolerant Muslims in Egypt

[IPorange]

I don't think Christianity is known for it's mass suicides...

 

[Tenacious D]

A handful of Muslim terrorists killed 21 Christians. Therefore, all Muslims want to kill all Christians.

Hard to argue with that.

Going to sue him for infringing upon your model, LG?
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[VOLatile]

I don't think Christianity is known for it's mass suicides...

Christianity is just more developed now but has its history of violence in the name of god.

The only point I want to make is that not all Muslims are bad and not all Christians are good.

 

[BeecherVol]

Simply the reason why I use the word. Extremists in Christianity would be category filled with people that do things above and beyond in the name of god.

Violent acts in the name of god > Fear mongers* > Science deniers

*People who proclaim the end of days is coming (!!!!) "join my church and let's all mass suicide", for example.

Point taken.:hi:

If you go above and beyond God (or outside), or commit acts of violence in His name, you are outside of christianity.

 

[VOLatile]

Point taken.:hi:

If you go above and beyond God (or outside), or commit acts of violence in His name, you are outside of christianity.

If you commit violence of any kind, you're outside of any established law, it doesn't have to be based on a religion. :hi:

 

[BeecherVol]

If you commit violence of any kind, you're outside of any established law, it doesn't have to be based on a religion. :hi:

Very true.

But if a bomb goes off in an abortion clinic, and the bomber shouts 'in the name of God" as he walks away, that does not make it christian driven.

 

[VOLatile]

Very true.

But if a bomb goes off in an abortion clinic, and the bomber shouts 'in the name of God" as he walks away, that does not make it christian driven.

Even if the bomber was inspired by a pastor at his church preaching against the sin of abortion, it's not?

 

[bamacheats]

something tells me you've never actually talked to very many Buddhists

Studied the religion quite intensely, thanks.
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[bamacheats]

With all due respect, the people I have spoken with, hear speak, etc. are a lot closer to the situation and I trust their word a bit more than yours.

Sensitive?
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[bamacheats]

Fifth precept of the Pancasila prohibits the use of drugs or alcohol.

Several vs. of the bible prohibit premarital sex. Your point?

I've studied religion exhaustively for several years. I go to the source and learn. I've never allowed one "christian" faith teach me about another. I find out what each teaches, believes, etc. without comparing any other religion.
The conclusion so far is lies, hypocrisy, violence, and greed for the most part. There is some good in all religions I have studied but in the end I've found that people do what they want to do regardless of faith because all claim some sort of unconditional love and forgiveness even though many also hold out punishment for the wicked.

Buddhists follow the Pancasila about as closely as Ogeron follows an NCAA rulebook.
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[VOLatile]

Several vs. of the bible prohibit premarital sex. Your point?

I've studied religion exhaustively for several years. I go to the source and learn. I've never allowed one "christian" faith teach me about another. I find out what each teaches, believes, etc. without comparing any other religion.
The conclusion so far is lies, hypocrisy, violence, and greed for the most part. There is some good in all religions I have studied but in the end I've found that people do what they want to do regardless of faith because all claim some sort of unconditional love and forgiveness even though many also hold out punishment for the wicked.

Buddhists follow the Pancasila about as closely as Ogeron follows an NCAA rulebook.
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So which religion did you settle on?

 

[lumberjack4]

Funny in the time of Saladin, Islam was the Religion of Peace while Christianity was more of the Religion of War. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Protestants outnumber the Catholics and Christianity as a whole calms down. Crazies take over Islam and they start killing anyone and everyone. Naturally, the logical conclusion is to blow the entire religion off the face of the planet. Its not like Christians killed those who took the Holy Land.

 

[bamacheats]

So which religion did you settle on?

Don't belong to any church. Consider myself Christian. (although ihatethebuckeyes assigned me a religion the other day, I think I'm Mormon now.)
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[VOLatile]

Don't belong to any church. Consider myself Christian. (although ihatethebuckeyes assigned me a religion the other day, I think I'm Mormon now.)
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I saw that. I'm curious as to why you consider yourself a Christian? Were you raised in a certain religion, then looked around, or, were you non-religious and found Christianity?

 

[BeecherVol]

Even if the bomber was inspired by a pastor at his church preaching against the sin of abortion, it's not?

If he took a sermon on the sin of abortion and went there with it, he is outside of God and the Bible yes.

When Jesus was crucified, he prayed "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

 

[Ed12111]

Funny in the time of Saladin, Islam was the Religion of Peace while Christianity was more of the Religion of War. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Protestants outnumber the Catholics and Christianity as a whole calms down. Crazies take over Islam and they start killing anyone and everyone. Naturally, the logical conclusion is to blow the entire religion off the face of the planet. Its not like Christians killed those who took the Holy Land.

True. The Muslim soldiers also had a much stricter moral code during war than the Christians did at the time.

 

[bamacheats]

I saw that. I'm curious as to why you consider yourself a Christian? Were you raised in a certain religion, then looked around, or, were you non-religious and found Christianity?

My dad's side is somewhat religious but its small. My mom's side is huge and every single one hates religion.

Actually what convinced me of Christianity was the bible, not its message, but the fact that it exists. Pretty fascinating when I did a project on it. Never has a single writing had so many enemies or its keepers had so many enemies and yet its never been squashed. Millions of other things that proved divine protection to me. So I started to research its message.
I'm at odds with all the mainstream "christian" religions because I don't believe in a trinity or hell, primarily because both are illogical, but also when I found the history of both coincided to becoming "christian" teachings when Constantine, a pagan, "converted" to catholicism for political reasons.

Oh well, I don't lose sleep over it, I just never wanted to be some sheep sitting in a pew chugging the kool aid and being told what I believe. My parents instilled that in me for sure.
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[gsvol]

Havn't been to every Muslim country but been to enough to know its exaggerated.

India is not Muslim btw.
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Not for want of trying, moslems have killed around 80 million Indians and enslaved many more and have carved out two countries, Pakistan and Bangladesh from the Indian subcontinent.

they're not going to. within the mosques they support the terrorists. the silence is deafening.

You'll never hear CAIR condemning terrorists the way they condemn any person that is vocal against islam.

While our own government remains criminally silent about these human rights abuses, they try to curry favor by building mosques with American tax dollars.

The Government Confiscates Your Money to Build Mosques - By Andrew C. McCarthy - The Corner - National Review Online

 

[gsvol]

True. The Muslim soldiers also had a much stricter moral code during war than the Christians did at the time.

Some of you certainly have a very distorted view of history, particularly when it comes to moslems and islam.

 

[gsvol]

Just don't try to make a movie about Muhammed.

If so you will go up in smoke. (inadverrtanly causing more AGW.)

 

[gsvol]

From Obamama's Cairo Speech:

"Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see
it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during
the Inquisition."



Children Under Sharia Law, Part 4: Kids See Dad Killed, Forced to Convert and Train for Terror | NewsReal Blog

In the last couple of weeks a few small news
organizations began to report on a Christian
family being attacked in this East African nation.

On July 21, 2010 Al-Shabaab insurgents broke
into the home of Osman Abdullah Fataho and
shot him dead in front of his wife and 4 children.

Fataho was a Muslim convert to Christianity
and was a leader in an underground church
group. The Al-Shabaab then told the wife
that she could go but they were keeping the
children.

Why would the Al-Shabaab movement keep
the kids of the man they just murdered?
Their goal was to brainwash them into
converting to Islam and then train the
children as terrorists to help enforce Sharia.

Abducted were: 5-year-old Ali Daud Fataho;
7-year-old Fatuma Safia Fataho; 10-year-old
Sharif Ahmed Fataho and 15 year-old Nur Said
Fataho.
-----------------------------------

“In its campaign to eliminate ‘vice’, al-Shabab
has stoned to death girls who have been raped,
shot and killed boys caught watching football
and executed many ‘apostates’.

In September 2008 Mansuur Mohammed (25)
became the first Somali Christian to be martyred
at the hands of al-Shabab. After being publicly
denounced as a ‘murtid’ (traitor to Islam),
Mohammed rejected an offer to convert to
Islam and be spared, submitting instead to a
public beheading, a film of which was widely
distributed.

In February 2009 al-Shabab militants beheaded
Musa Mohammed Yusuf’s 11- and 13-year-old
sons after he refused to divulge information
about a local church leader.

On 10 July 2009 seven Somalis were publicly
beheaded in Baidoa simply for being Christians.

To date some 20 Somali Christians — most of
them church leaders — are known to have been
shot or beheaded as al-Shabab systematically
targets the Somali Church for elimination.”

 

[IPorange]

Just don't try to make a movie about Muhammed.

If so you will go up in smoke. (inadverrtanly causing more AGW.)

The sulphates would actually cause net cooling.

 

[CountVolcula]

ridiculous.

the fact remains that a large % of muslims support their terrorism against the west. arguing that only a small percentage actually commit terrorism is a bit misleading. that isn't to say most muslims are supporters, but enough are that you have to question the religious leadership.

You are 100% correct

More than some people want to realize and I blame that on just plain head-in-sand syndrome.

 

[gsvol]

The sulphates would actually cause net cooling.

Does that mean you support a realistic movie on the life and times of muhammed to avert AGW or does it mean you think a movie on muhammed would cool the AGW internet debate?

Stop Muslim Persecution and Wholesale Slaughter of Christians in Iraq - Atlas Shrugs

{click the link just for the images}

Over 80 people were beheaded in a single day during a Sunday mass. The youngest one was a 4 months old baby that was beheaded front of her parents and the head was thrown to her momma.

Wise up some day IP!

Indeed a realistic movie about the life and times of muhammed and his bloodthirsty reign woud be the best things the people of America could possibly ever see.

 

[VOLatile]

gs, I think you neglected to post this:

Egypt's Muslims Attend Coptic Christmas Mass, Serving as "Human Shields" - Egypt - Fox Nation

Egypt's majority Muslim population stuck to its word Thursday night. What had been a promise of solidarity to the weary Coptic community, was honoured, when thousands of Muslims showed up at Coptic Christmas eve mass services in churches around the country and at candle light vigils held outside.

From the well-known to the unknown, Muslims had offered their bodies as "human shields" for last night's mass, making a pledge to collectively fight the threat of Islamic militants and towards an Egypt free from sectarian strife.

"We either live together, or we die together," was the sloganeering genius of Mohamed El-Sawy, a Muslim arts tycoon whose cultural centre distributed flyers at churches in Cairo Thursday night, and who has been credited with first floating the "human shield" idea.