Pearl Achievements

#76
#76
ThroughTheT89 said:
Since people want to complain about Pearl, why don't we get good ole Buzz back? He was awesome wasn't he? He hyped the students up for the game, got the building noisy and led us to the NCAA tournament and got us a #1 ranking for the first time ever! (end sarcasm)

I just don't know what people expect. I believe Pearl was the best option when we hired him and still is a great fit for UT basketball. There is energy and excitement surrounding the program, along with NCAA tournament berths.

How can we ask the guy to do any more with the situation that he arrived here with and the time that he's had? Let him get the complete team he wants and then we can bash the guy if he doesn't succeed. Just my opinion, maybe I'm way off-base. Go Vols!!!
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Your argument would make sense if the only other option was Buzz.
 
#78
#78
VolDad said:
Your argument would make sense if the only other option was Buzz.
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I'm sure we could have got someone that definitely would have had a better four year run than Bruce. I mean, averaging 25 wins a year is terrible. :crazy:
 
#79
#79
I appreciate what Pearl has done for UT, but let's keep in mind that he's made hay in a conference that has been noticeably weak in recent years. Good grief, the SEC didn't have a single good team this year! Really, with kentucky down, florida and UT have been the two best teams in the league the last three or four years--and a major falloff after that. That's not Pearl's fault, but he needs to consolidate our gains while most sec teams are down.
 
#80
#80
kiffinator13 said:
I'm sure we could have got someone that definitely would have had a better four year run than Bruce. I mean, averaging 25 wins a year is terrible. :crazy:
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Wow. You got me there. Even though I never said anything like that, your use of the :crazy: totally shoots down my point and makes me look foolish.

I humbly bow to your debating skills. :hi:
 
#81
#81
So since you're the expert voldad, who would we have gotten that could have done a better job in his time here than Pearl??
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#82
#82
VolDad said:
Wow. You got me there. Even though I never said anything like that, your use of the :crazy: totally shoots down my point and makes me look foolish.

I humbly bow to your debating skills. :hi:
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Maybe you should articulate your point then.
 
#83
#83
ThroughTheT89 said:
So since you're the expert voldad, who would we have gotten that could have done a better job in his time here than Pearl??
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I never said that I was an expert and your question is hypothetical. Since we cannot turn back time; there is no way to answer who would have done a better job. With that said, other coaches who were available at the time and might have had equal or greater success have been rehashed and debated on here ad nausium.


kiffinator13 said:
Maybe you should articulate your point then.
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My point was well articulated so that even you should have been able to understand it. If you didn't go ask a 12 year old to explain it to you.

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#84
#84
VolDad said:
I never said that I was an expert and your question is hypothetical. Since we cannot turn back time; there is no way to answer who would have done a better job. With that said, other coaches who were available at the time and might have had equal or greater success have been rehashed and debated on here ad nausium.




My point was well articulated so that even you should have been able to understand it. If you didn't go ask a 12 year old to explain it to you.

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Instead of hurling insults, name one potential candidate during that coaching search that has had comparable results to Pearl at another school.
 
#86
#86
utvolpj said:
Mike Anderson, Bob Huggins
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Bob Huggins: I think he is a good coach, but he went to the NIT with KST in his only year there. One sweet 16 with WVU and a first round exit.

Mike Anderson: missed out completely on postseason play his first two years at Missou. Elite eight this year.

Again, both are good coaches, but neither have won as much as Pearl at Tennessee.
 
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#87
#87
kiffinator13 said:
Bob Huggins: I think he is a good coach, but he went to the NIT with KST in his only year there. One sweet 16 with WVU and a first round exit.

Mike Anderson: missed out completely on postseason play his first two years at Missou. Elite eight this year.

Again, both are good coaches, but neither have won as much as Pearl at Tennessee.
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Good job ignoring the fact that Mike Anderson took over a much larger mess at Missouri than Pearl inherited at UT. I can't wait to pull up all of these "Bruce is as good as Coach X" posts in a couple of years to ridicule people. The ones putting him on par with John Calipari and Bill Self have already provided high comedy. The ones elevating him ahead of Huggs and Anderson will do the same.
 
#88
#88
kiffinator13 said:
Bob Huggins: I think he is a good coach, but he went to the NIT with KST in his only year there. One sweet 16 with WVU and a first round exit.

Mike Anderson: missed out completely on postseason play his first two years at Missou. Elite eight this year.

Again, both are good coaches, but neither have won as much as Pearl at Tennessee.
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you said during the search. Clearly that would exclude the seasons you reference
 
#89
#89
utvolpj said:
you said during the search. Clearly that would exclude the seasons you reference
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I was meaning looking at it in retrospect, out of the other coaches we considered, who has been as successful after his hiring.
 
#90
#90
hatvol96 said:
Good job ignoring the fact that Mike Anderson took over a much larger mess at Missouri than Pearl inherited at UT. I can't wait to pull up all of these "Bruce is as good as Coach X" posts in a couple of years to ridicule people. The ones putting him on par with John Calipari and Bill Self have already provided high comedy. The ones elevating him ahead of Huggs and Anderson will do the same.
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You're right Hat, Bruce had the pleasure of walking into a situation where the top two scorers graduated off of a stellar 14-17 campaign. I think Anderson and Huggins are good coaches as well, but I am certainly not willing to say that they would or could have done what Pearl has done here in 4 years. And I don't remember stating that Bruce is better than Calipari and Self. I don't think he is as they have clearly been more successful. I just consider the accomplishments that Pearl has achieved and appreciate the difference in the program now compared to what it was when he took over. I don't think he's John Wooden, but I certainly think he is a good coach and appreciate the job he has done.
 
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#91
#91
kiffinator13 said:
You're right Hat, Bruce had the pleasure of walking into a situation where the top two scorers graduated off of a stellar 14-17 campaign. I think Anderson and Huggins are good coaches as well, but I am certainly not willing to say that they would or could have done what Pearl has done here in 4 years. And I don't remember stating that Bruce is better than Calipari and Self. I don't think he is as they have clearly been more successful. I just consider the accomplishments that Pearl has achieved and appreciate the difference in the program now compared to what it was when he took over. I don't think he's John Wooden, but I certainly think he is a good coach and appreciate the job he has done.
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Look i agree with you completely on everything that you have basically said, but there are some on here, mainly Hat who are set in their ways and that's fine. We live in america and that is what makes this board interesting is we can all say whatever we want to. There is going to be no way your going to change Hat's mine, or any of the people that try to be like Hat on here. There is no way to say who is right or wrong because only time will tell us that one. I agree with you though completely and it's exactly what i have argued that people say if we had this guy or that guy. Well Bruce inherited a crappy team alot worse off that WV, and probably about the level of Mizzou considering the returning players, and he has had the most success of those coaches. It remains to see what will happen with Anderson in the future as it looks like Mizzou may be headed the right way but who knows. I remember not long ago somebody i believe it was Hat talking about anybody that runs that uptempo chaotic style will not have success, yet mizzou just made the elite 8 so who knows. All i'm saying is imo i am with you, but good like trying to sway others out there that are set in their ways because it just wont happen.
 
#92
#92
kiffinator13 said:
You're right Hat, Bruce had the pleasure of walking into a situation where the top two scorers graduated off of a stellar 14-17 campaign. I think Anderson and Huggins are good coaches as well, but I am certainly not willing to say that they would or could have done what Pearl has done here in 4 years. And I don't remember stating that Bruce is better than Calipari and Self. I don't think he is as they have clearly been more successful. I just consider the accomplishments that Pearl has achieved and appreciate the difference in the program now compared to what it was when he took over. I don't think he's John Wooden, but I certainly think he is a good coach and appreciate the job he has done.
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What was Missouri's record the year before Anderson took over? When was the last time Kansas State had been to the NCAA Tournament when Huggs took over?
 
#93
#93
utbasketballloft said:
Look i agree with you completely on everything that you have basically said, but there are some on here, mainly Hat who are set in their ways and that's fine. We live in america and that is what makes this board interesting is we can all say whatever we want to. There is going to be no way your going to change Hat's mine, or any of the people that try to be like Hat on here. There is no way to say who is right or wrong because only time will tell us that one. I agree with you though completely and it's exactly what i have argued that people say if we had this guy or that guy. Well Bruce inherited a crappy team alot worse off that WV, and probably about the level of Mizzou considering the returning players, and he has had the most success of those coaches. It remains to see what will happen with Anderson in the future as it looks like Mizzou may be headed the right way but who knows. I remember not long ago somebody i believe it was Hat talking about anybody that runs that uptempo chaotic style will not have success, yet mizzou just made the elite 8 so who knows. All i'm saying is imo i am with you, but good like trying to sway others out there that are set in their ways because it just wont happen.
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I said the Tom Davis/Bruce Pearl system won't win big. The evidence on that is irrefutable. The Mike Anderson/Nolan Richardson system bears slight resemblence to what Pearl teaches.
 
#94
#94
hatvol96 said:
What was Missouri's record the year before Anderson took over? When was the last time Kansas State had been to the NCAA Tournament when Huggs took over?
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Missouri's record was 12-16. before Anderson. Tennessee's was 14-17 before Pearl. Huge difference. In subsequent years, Missou went 18-12 and 16-16 and didn't make a postseason tournament either year. K State hadn't been to the tourney since '96, and Huggs didn't get them there, he made the NIT and lost to Depaul in the second round.
 
#95
#95
UT has never really sniffed winning big, so with Pearl/UT does it really matter as long as he gets to the tourny and wins the SEC a couple of times?
 
#96
#96
hatvol96 said:
I said the Tom Davis/Bruce Pearl system won't win big. The evidence on that is irrefutable. The Mike Anderson/Nolan Richardson system bears slight resemblence to what Pearl teaches.
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And Nolan had to back off the 40 minutes of hell to some degree in order to finally cut the nets down. His championship squad and those that almost got it done were no longer playing up and down at all costs basketball. They could beat you in the halfcourt just as easily as in the full court.
 
#97
#97
kiffinator13 said:
Missouri's record was 12-16. before Anderson. Tennessee's was 14-17 before Pearl. Huge difference. In subsequent years, Missou went 18-12 and 16-16 and didn't make a postseason tournament either year. K State hadn't been to the tourney since '96, and Huggs didn't get them there, he made the NIT and lost to Depaul in the second round.
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Keep posting these. I want the "I told you so" thread that is inevitably coming, just like it did for the "Phil Fulmer will turn it around people", to have as many posts as possible.
 
#98
#98
hatvol96 said:
Keep posting these. I want the "I told you so" thread that is inevitably coming, just like it did for the "Phil Fulmer will turn it around people", to have as many posts as possible.
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Hat, you asked the question, and I answered it. If the results don't prove your point, that's not my problem. And comparing my answering your question to those that blindly supported Fulmer is ridiculous. If Bruce loses 10+ games for the next 5 yrs, I'll be right there with you, but at this point, I think Pearl has done a good job and is a good coach.
 
#99
#99
kiffinator13 said:
Bob Huggins: I think he is a good coach, but he went to the NIT with KST in his only year there. One sweet 16 with WVU and a first round exit.

Mike Anderson: missed out completely on postseason play his first two years at Missou. Elite eight this year.

Again, both are good coaches, but neither have won as much as Pearl at Tennessee.
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Elite Eight >>>>> Sweet Sixteen
 
#100
#100
JZVOL said:
UT has never really sniffed winning big, so with Pearl/UT does it really matter as long as he gets to the tourny and wins the SEC a couple of times?
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If that's all we're looking for at UT -- and I'm not necessarily arguing that it shouldn't realistically be enough -- then we're spending way too much money on our basketball coach.

Between Pearl's salary and the huge upgrades to our basketball facilities, we're like a company that has decided to spend very aggressively in order to enter a new market. When you massively ramp up spending like that, you expect a return on your investment. Equalling the achievements of the Jerry Green and Don DeVoe years doesn't get there, IMO.
 
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