Pearl to Iowa??

[gonzo.jm]

Iowa will always be irrelevant farm garbage unless they demand excellence. Almost any program in a major conference can be incredibly successful if they demand excellence and are willing to spend the money.

That's simply not true. Nick Saban isn't winning national titles at Vanderbilt. There are inherent built in advantages for some schools that will allow them to dominate recruiting and dominate conferences unless something unforeseen happens (i.e. the death penalty). Baylor is not winning Big 12 titles over Texas and Oklahoma regardless of who they hire or what their expectations are.

 

[Brewerw]

I'm an OSU student, so I can't actually support that, but I don't hate Michigan like the rest of the fan base, and I'm not sure I will.

Gross

 

[Brewerw]

That's simply not true. Nick Saban isn't winning national titles at Vanderbilt. There are inherent built in advantages for some schools that will allow them to dominate recruiting and dominate conferences unless something unforeseen happens (i.e. the death penalty). Baylor is not winning Big 12 titles over Texas and Oklahoma regardless of who they hire or what their expectations are.

It is absolutely true. When Saban took over in Baton Rouge, LSU had spent over a decade struggling to go 500 and had only one NC to their name.

 

[tvolsfan]

That's simply not true. Nick Saban isn't winning national titles at Vanderbilt.

I'm convinced that at this point in time, Saban could win a national title at Baylor.

There are inherent built in advantages for some schools that will allow them to dominate recruiting and dominate conferences unless something unforeseen happens (i.e. the death penalty). Baylor is not winning Big 12 titles over Texas and Oklahoma regardless of who they hire or what their expectations are.

Florida was irrelevant garbage before they got Spurrier as well.

 

[tigervol9802]

That's simply not true. Nick Saban isn't winning national titles at Vanderbilt. There are inherent built in advantages for some schools that will allow them to dominate recruiting and dominate conferences unless something unforeseen happens (i.e. the death penalty). Baylor is not winning Big 12 titles over Texas and Oklahoma regardless of who they hire or what their expectations are.

Steve Spurrier won double-digit games at Duke. Had he stayed longer, I think he may have contended for national titles there.

It is possible.

 

[gonzo.jm]

Steve Spurrier won double-digit games at Duke. Had he stayed longer, I think he may have contended for national titles there.

It is possible.

Yeah, it's possible. It's also possible I could run a 4.2 forty, but it's not happening. Lots of things are "possible" but not realistic. Get back to me when some mid-level BCS conference team (like Duke, Vandy, Baylor) wins a national championship. It would take extraordinarily bizarre and absurd circumstances for it to happen.

 

[jsc1973]

I'm convinced that at this point in time, Saban could win a national title at Baylor.

He didn't at Michigan State.

It doesn't matter how good you are, there are ceilings at most programs. Saban won national championships at LSU and Alabama because of 1) the inherent resources available at those schools; and 2) his ability to get the most out of the talent available to him. In that order.

If he went to Baylor, he'd win a bunch of games. He would not beat Texas, Nebraska and Oklahoma, let alone the next tier of Big 12 teams, with enough consistency to contend for a national championship.

Steve Spurrier won double-digit games at Duke. Had he stayed longer, I think he may have contended for national titles there.

It is possible.

No, he didn't win double-digit games at Duke. His best record in a single season was 8-4 in 1989, when he won a share of the ACC title and got his butt kicked by Texas Tech in a bowl. To give you an idea of how good Duke actually was, they played one of the teams that shared the SEC title in 1989. Tennessee clobbered them 28-6.

The best teams in the 1989 version of the ACC, other than Duke, were Clemson, Virginia and NC State. Virginia was the only one of them who was really any good (the same team we beat in the Sugar Bowl, a year later), and they beat Duke head to head. Everybody else was either young, or really bad.

If he had stayed at Duke in 1990, he would have his butt handed to him. That was the year Georgia Tech was national champions and UNC figured out how to play football under Mack Brown. Virginia was No. 1 for a month of the season, Clemson was better, and NC State and Maryland both made it to a bowl.

He would have left for a better job after 1989 even if Florida hadn't been open. We all knew he would. (I was already living here at the time.) Spurrier knew his window of opportunity at Duke was about to close.

 

[IPorange]

Yeah, it's possible. It's also possible I could run a 4.2 forty, but it's not happening. Lots of things are "possible" but not realistic. Get back to me when some mid-level BCS conference team (like Duke, Vandy, Baylor) wins a national championship. It would take extraordinarily bizarre and absurd circumstances for it to happen.

Funny, they stop being mid-level when they build up to having good seasons. Florida used to be a very average (or less) SEC team behind Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, and LSU.

 

[gonzo.jm]

He didn't at Michigan State.

It doesn't matter how good you are, there are ceilings at most programs. Saban won national championships at LSU and Alabama because of 1) the inherent resources available at those schools; and 2) his ability to get the most out of the talent available to him. In that order.

If he went to Baylor, he'd win a bunch of games. He would not beat Texas, Nebraska and Oklahoma, let alone the next tier of Big 12 teams, with enough consistency to contend for a national championship.

Sweet lord, thank you for some rational critical thinking.

 

[gonzo.jm]

Funny, they stop being mid-level when they build up to having good seasons. Florida used to be a very average (or less) SEC team behind Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, and LSU.

Funny, that Florida is one of the most talent rich football states in the nation. Remember when I said something about inherent advantages.

 

[govols120]

This thread, like all of the other "Pearl to ______??????" threads is full of fail.
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[tvolsfan]

He didn't at Michigan State.

He would have if ne decided never to leave. He got them to 9-2 and it was only getting better. It would take time, but it would happen.

It doesn't matter how good you are, there are ceilings at most programs. Saban won national championships at LSU and Alabama because of 1) the inherent resources available at those schools; and 2) his ability to get the most out of the talent available to him. In that order.

He gets the most talent right now because his reputation. He would have done the same at Michigan State. It would have just taken longer.

If he went to Baylor, he'd win a bunch of games. He would not beat Texas, Nebraska and Oklahoma, let alone the next tier of Big 12 teams, with enough consistency to contend for a national championship.

Eventually, he would. I'm starting to think Saban could get elite recruits to Alaska.

 

[HoundDog4954]

Oh believe me, I most certainly do. I would be willing to bet with 100% certainty I know more of what's going on with that staff than the child that posts here.

If you are so tight with the staff, how about trying to get them to do something to light a fire under Scotty's hind end so maybe he'll hustle after a few loose balls and rebounds.

 

[volwarrior33]

Can we “anchor” this thread please? Whoever started this thread is full of fail.

 

[IPorange]

Funny, that Florida is one of the most talent rich football states in the nation. Remember when I said something about inherent advantages.

Nebraska was never elite in terms of in-state talent. Although they haven't won a national title, Oregon seems to be hanging in the mix every once in awhile lately. Same with West Virginia.

 

[tvolsfan]

Funny, that Florida is one of the most talent rich football states in the nation. Remember when I said something about inherent advantages.

Florida was crap. That city they play in is crap. It's not Miami.

Florida got good because they made a great hire in Spurrier.

The reason they are still good today is because they kicked that miserable hire Ron Zook to the curb before he could tear the program down. That's the demanding excellence part. Many fans whine about how "the coach just needs more time" or "he needs to have his chance with all of his recruits in." That crap allows many bad hires to stay too long at schools all over the country.

 

[tvolsfan]

Oh believe me, I most certainly do. I would be willing to bet with 100% certainty I know more of what's going on with that staff than the child that posts here.

Of course you do. Judging by your desperate defense of Pearl, I'd have to assume you're part of his family.

 

[IA VOL]

Of course you do. Judging by your desperate defense of Pearl, I'd have to assume you're part of his family.

Defending the Tennessee basketball coach on a Tennessee basketball board (a team I'm assuming you're a fan of) is a bad thing?

Where do you suggest one goes to talk and support their basketball team?

 

[tigervol9802]

He didn't at Michigan State.

It doesn't matter how good you are, there are ceilings at most programs. Saban won national championships at LSU and Alabama because of 1) the inherent resources available at those schools; and 2) his ability to get the most out of the talent available to him. In that order.

If he went to Baylor, he'd win a bunch of games. He would not beat Texas, Nebraska and Oklahoma, let alone the next tier of Big 12 teams, with enough consistency to contend for a national championship.


No, he didn't win double-digit games at Duke. His best record in a single season was 8-4 in 1989, when he won a share of the ACC title and got his butt kicked by Texas Tech in a bowl. To give you an idea of how good Duke actually was, they played one of the teams that shared the SEC title in 1989. Tennessee clobbered them 28-6.

The best teams in the 1989 version of the ACC, other than Duke, were Clemson, Virginia and NC State. Virginia was the only one of them who was really any good (the same team we beat in the Sugar Bowl, a year later), and they beat Duke head to head. Everybody else was either young, or really bad.

If he had stayed at Duke in 1990, he would have his butt handed to him. That was the year Georgia Tech was national champions and UNC figured out how to play football under Mack Brown. Virginia was No. 1 for a month of the season, Clemson was better, and NC State and Maryland both made it to a bowl.

He would have left for a better job after 1989 even if Florida hadn't been open. We all knew he would. (I was already living here at the time.) Spurrier knew his window of opportunity at Duke was about to close.

I stand corrected.

I could have sworn that 88 team went 10-2 though.

Oh well, I dreamed that somewhere at some point in time.

 

[tvolsfan]

Defending the Tennessee basketball coach on a Tennessee basketball board (a team I'm assuming you're a fan of) is a bad thing?

Where do you suggest one goes to talk and support their basketball team?

It's one thing to defend him. It's another thing to just talk about nothing and call it pride.

 

[tvolsfan]

He would have left for a better job after 1989 even if Florida hadn't been open. We all knew he would. (I was already living here at the time.) Spurrier knew his window of opportunity at Duke was about to close.

Leaving for a better job doesn't mean you don't have confidence in yourself to win at the one you have.

In the upcoming years, you'll see North Carolina climb to the top of the conference.

 

[IA VOL]

It's one thing to defend him. It's another thing to just talk about nothing and call it pride.

Yeah, that's what it is.

 

[tvolsfan]

Yeah, that's what it is.

Glad we're finally on the same page.

 

[JuicyBrucey]

We need to give Pearl a big raise to make sure this doesn't happen.

 

[IA VOL]

How can Pearl take a job that he hasn't been offered/isn't open?

Back on topic. When the job opens Iowa will come calling. Pearl will do exactly as he did last time and politely say thanks but no thanks. That is my personal opinion based on no inside information whatsoever.