Pearl to Iowa??

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Unimane said:
How many average 25? In a major conference?
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I don't know, but our conference sucks and guys that win can win. Not all can recruit, but they can coach.

I'm not saying all can do what Pearl has done. I'm saying 25 game winner, sweet 16 visitors aren't a rarity.
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tigervol9802 said:
No, my argument was that the athletic department isn't rolling in dough because of Pearl and that he essentially pays for himself.

Argument #2 was that anytime the team wins that more people go to the games, I don't care if Wade Houston comes back for round 2 and accomplishes it. My buddy SaintBruce kept comparing Pearl to the Buzz years so I asked for a comparison of the two SEC/Sweet 16 teams for a more fitting comparison. Perhaps if you would read an entire thread you would understand the argument.

#3 - I am well aware of the luxury boxes and the revenue they provide. Maybe in the near future they will provide enough to pay for themselves. I am fairly certain they do not cost 6 figures, but I could be wrong.

By the way - I checked. At least for Kentucky on March 2, 2008, Section 318 row 10 seat 7 was a $9 ticket.
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Unimane said:
How many average 25? In a major conference?
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Why does that matter when 16 look like this:
Austin Peay
UNC Asheville
East Carolina
College of Charleston
ETSU
Middle Tennessee State
Wyoming
NC A&T
Charlotte
Auburn
Alabama
LSU
South Carolina (Home)
Georgia
South Carolina (Away)
LSU (SECT)
 
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JZVOL said:
I believe he makes $2.5 Mil now, he's not going to leave for Iowa for 2.7 Mil.

Do I think we could hire a coach for $2.5 to $3 Mil to make the Sweet 16? Yes.
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Again, I seriously doubt Iowa is going to fork over $3 million plus the buyout.

And, also, I'm not sure who we will get that would guarantee the type of success Pearl has had. Sure, we could get a very promising coach, but which established coach, with as good or better credentials than Pearl, would we lure to Knoxville over their present situation? I like Gregg Marshall, but he hasn't even made the Sweet 16 as a mid-major, which Pearl did. I don't see us getting a Huggins, Matta or whomever, either.

Sorry, I've just seen too many garbage hires and supposively great ones at UT and elsewhere to say that "Oh well, we'll just get another guy who'll do the same thing." Before you know it, you end up with Billy Gillispie.
 
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Unimane said:
Again, I seriously doubt Iowa is going to fork over $3 million plus the buyout.

And, also, I'm not sure who we will get that would guarantee the type of success Pearl has had. Sure, we could get a very promising coach, but which established coach, with as good or better credentials than Pearl, would we lure to Knoxville over their present situation? I like Gregg Marshall, but he hasn't even made the Sweet 16 as a mid-major, which Pearl did. I don't see us getting a Huggins, Matta or whomever, either.

Sorry, I've just seen too many garbage hires and supposively great ones at UT and elsewhere to say that "Oh well, we'll just get another guy who'll do the same thing." Before you know it, you end up with Billy Gillispie.
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Nobody. Pearl is the only coach that could win an SEC Title in five years.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't know, but our conference sucks and guys that win can win. Not all can recruit, but they can coach.

I'm not saying all can do what Pearl has done. I'm saying 25 game winner, sweet 16 visitors aren't a rarity.
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considering we have had 5 in the history of the program and two of them came under Bruce Pearl... I'd say they aren't exactly handing them out on Kingston Pike.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
considering we have had 5 in the history of the program and two of them came under Bruce Pearl... I'd say they aren't exactly handing them out on Kingston Pike.
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I assume we'd be smarter than to look at our former coach list for a replacement. Call me crazy.
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't know, but our conference sucks and guys that win can win. Not all can recruit, but they can coach.

I'm not saying all can do what Pearl has done. I'm saying 25 game winner, sweet 16 visitors aren't a rarity.
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Oh c'mon, the "conference sucks" is a cop out. The SEC isn't as good as the Big East, but it's still one of the top 4-5 in the country.

And, no a 25 game winner isn't rare, but coaches winning 25 on average is a fairly select group. Hell, that group doesn't even include Bo Ryan, Billy Donovan, Tom Izzo or Jim Calhoun. Obviously, I'm not saying Pearl's better or anything, but averaging 25 wins is rarer than you think.
 
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Unimane said:
Oh c'mon, the "conference sucks" is a cop out. The SEC isn't as good as the Big East, but it's still one of the top 4-5 in the country.

And, no a 25 game winner isn't rare, but coaches winning 25 on average is a fairly select group. Hell, that group doesn't even include Bo Ryan, Billy Donovan, Tom Izzo or Jim Calhoun. Obviously, I'm not saying Pearl's better or anything, but averaging 25 wins is rarer than you think.
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What do four of the five coaches mentioned have in common? Something Pearl doesn't have.
 
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JZVOL said:
Nobody. Pearl is the only coach that could win an SEC Title in five years.
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Ah, I see you've resorted to hat-like sarcasm and totally missed my point.I mean, good lord, it isn't that difficult to understand.

I'm not saying Pearl's the only one who could win here. I'm saying that shrugging your shoulders and making the remark "for $2.5 million, we'll just get a guy who'll do the same thing" is a dangerous and arrogant idea. It's how you end up with guys like Billy Gillispie.
 
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Unimane said:
Oh c'mon, the "conference sucks" is a cop out. The SEC isn't as good as the Big East, but it's still one of the top 4-5 in the country.

And, no a 25 game winner isn't rare, but coaches winning 25 on average is a fairly select group. Hell, that group doesn't even include Bo Ryan, Billy Donovan, Tom Izzo or Jim Calhoun. Obviously, I'm not saying Pearl's better or anything, but averaging 25 wins is rarer than you think.
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I agree with you.

The fact that we have a team that has been in the conversation for 5 consecutive years now, and a top notch recruiting class coming in next year only means we should be able to expect more of it in the future.

Indiana is much more prestigious program than Tennessee and they have been struggling for close to a decade now.

If we lost Pearl our chances of landing a good coach are drastically improved compared to where they were when Buzz was fired, mainly because of how well Pearl has done. But risking what has been built would be a huuuuge risk IMO. I say pay him.
 
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Unimane said:
Oh c'mon, the "conference sucks" is a cop out. The SEC isn't as good as the Big East, but it's still one of the top 4-5 in the country.

And, no a 25 game winner isn't rare, but coaches winning 25 on average is a fairly select group. Hell, that group doesn't even include Bo Ryan, Billy Donovan, Tom Izzo or Jim Calhoun. Obviously, I'm not saying Pearl's better or anything, but averaging 25 wins is rarer than you think.
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Our conference is pathetic. We have about 20 wins this season that are gimmes.

25 regular season wins seems to do it for you. It's one measure, but just doesn't do much for me. It's nice, but now how coaches are measured in hoops. We've had this debate and aret going to agree. I'd rather coach toward tourney success and you are fine otherwise. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, but the stuff we neglect induces our inconsistency.
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bam15 said:
What do four of the five coaches mentioned have in common? Something Pearl doesn't have.
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Perhaps you should follow the particular conversation I'm having in regards to my comments instead of changing the direction just to be a jerk. He mentioned averaging 25 wins is nothing special and I was disagreeing. Suddenly changing the focus of the argument is the crap that annoys me about the group here who wants to denigrate Pearl and those who deign to support him at every turn.
 
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Unimane said:
Ah, I see you've resorted to hat-like sarcasm and totally missed my point.I mean, good lord, it isn't that difficult to understand.

I'm not saying Pearl's the only one who could win here. I'm saying that shrugging your shoulders and making the remark "for $2.5 million, we'll just get a guy who'll do the same thing" is a dangerous and arrogant idea. It's how you end up with guys like Billy Gillispie.
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What the heck do you want me to say? I'm not going to search for names to create a list for you.

Billy G is the only option? Or the person you picked because it fits the point you are trying to make?
 
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Unimane said:
Perhaps you should follow the particular conversation I'm having in regards to my comments instead of changing the direction just to be a jerk. He mentioned averaging 25 wins is nothing special and I was disagreeing. Suddenly changing the focus of the argument is the crap that annoys me about the group here who wants to denigrate Pearl and those who deign to support him at every turn.
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Four of the five coaches you mentioned won national championships. I don't think millions of people make brackets for no particular reason. Averaging 25 wins is special only when you capitalize on it, not early exits every single year. Pearlophyles celebrate two big wins a year, big deal, if you're going to lose in the first or second round, no one cares about those two wins.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Our conference is pathetic. We have about 20 wins this season that are gimmes.

25 regular season wins seems to do it for you. It's one measure, but just doesn't do much for me. It's nice, but now how coaches are measured in hoops. We've had this debate and aret going to agree. I'd rather coach toward tourney success and you are fine otherwise. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, but the stuff we neglect induces our inconsistency.
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Uhhh!!!! Will you all stop changing the damn criteria for the conversation just to suit you???!!! Where did I say that 25 wins does it for me? I was arguing a particular point, just because I was proven correct doesn't mean you should mope about it. In fact, I have pointedly noted that Pearl has the best postseason record in UT history as support for him, but you continually choose to ignore that particular aspect of my argument to settle for the usual, arrogant attitude that permeates a particular crowd here.

Any moron can understand that winning in March is the most important part of college basketball. I also watch college basketball in January and February, so I kind of like winning then as well.

And to say 20 wins is a "gimme" in the SEC is idiotic. I'm sure playing Iowa, Northwestern, Michigan, Penn State and Indiana the past few years makes the Big Ten so superior with no "gimmes". I don't know how we would survive the PAC 10, either.
 
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JZVOL said:
What the heck do you want me to say? I'm not going to search for names to create a list for you.

Billy G is the only option? Or the person you picked because it fits the point you are trying to make?
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Billy G. was an example, although, if you aren't inclined to search for names, then I'm not going to, either.

You're still missing my point. You were trying to say that we can just throw money out there and it will be no problem to find a guy who's doing what Pearl is doing. I was was saying that doesn't always work out and is a dangerous game to play to allow a successful coach to leave with the expectation finding the same thing will be no problem.
 
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Unimane said:
Uhhh!!!! Will you all stop changing the damn criteria for the conversation just to suit you???!!! Where did I say that 25 wins does it for me? I was arguing a particular point, just because I was proven correct doesn't mean you should mope about it. In fact, I have pointedly noted that Pearl has the best postseason record in UT history as support for him, but you continually choose to ignore that particular aspect of my argument to settle for the usual, arrogant attitude that permeates a particular crowd here.

Any moron can understand that winning in March is the most important part of college basketball. I also watch college basketball in January and February, so I kind of like winning then as well.

And to say 20 wins is a "gimme" in the SEC is idiotic. I'm sure playing Iowa, Northwestern, Michigan, Penn State and Indiana the past few years makes the Big Ten so superior with no "gimmes". I don't know how we would survive the PAC 10, either.
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Don Devoe has a postseason tournament championship (1979).
 
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bam15 said:
Four of the five coaches you mentioned won national championships. I don't think millions of people make brackets for no particular reason. Averaging 25 wins is special only when you capitalize on it, not early exits every single year. Pearlophyles celebrate two big wins a year, big deal, if you're going to lose in the first or second round, no one cares about those two wins.
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It's PearlophIles, genius, and you still didn't follow the point I was trying to make. You can always tell the Anti-Pearlistas with the moronic arguments, like the one above. We've had early exits only twice since Pearl got here, not "every single year".
 
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Unimane said:
Uhhh!!!! Will you all stop changing the damn criteria for the conversation just to suit you???!!! Where did I say that 25 wins does it for me? I was arguing a particular point, just because I was proven correct doesn't mean you should mope about it. In fact, I have pointedly noted that Pearl has the best postseason record in UT history as support for him, but you continually choose to ignore that particular aspect of my argument to settle for the usual, arrogant attitude that permeates a particular crowd here.

Any moron can understand that winning in March is the most important part of college basketball. I also watch college basketball in January and February, so I kind of like winning then as well.

And to say 20 wins is a "gimme" in the SEC is idiotic. I'm sure playing Iowa, Northwestern, Michigan, Penn State and Indiana the past few years makes the Big Ten so superior with no "gimmes". I don't know how we would survive the PAC 10, either.
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I'm not changing the argument. You've made 25 wins, o average some big differentiator. It's not. It's a hollow stat. I said it's done 40 times per year, meaning it's commonplace. You harped on it, not anyone else. You consistently fall back to thus point and I consistently say nobody cares because vollege basketball coaches are measured by March Ws. That has never changed, ever.

Your irreplaceability argument is based upon 25 win seasons on average. Who cares? You gave a list of those who can't, bit have huge titles to their credit. That doesn't say every idiot can understand. Your insufferable support of our regular season wins and tourney failures says you don't believe it.

Your conferences argument is you changing the argument, right, since it's meaningless here. Our schedule has a truckload of gimmes on it, further diluting the value of 25 wins. In tossup games, or anything close, we fare very poorly.
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Unimane said:
It's PearlophIles, genius, and you still didn't follow the point I was trying to make. You can always tell the Anti-Pearlistas with the moronic arguments, like the one above. We've had early exits only twice since Pearl got here, not "every single year".
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What's an early exit? The way you love to talk about our 30 win season and #1 ranking, I assume the OSU collapse was an early exit, no?
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