Pearl's Already Gone: The Exit Strategy Hypothesis

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Rudy123 said:
If Pearl leaves, then it is a given that "Hopson" & "Harris" will leave also. Next season will be a horrilbe season.
We will have a horrible cast of players on hand. Hopson, Harris, Pearl, Goins, Williams, & Fields will be gone. Now take a look at what is left on the bench!! Woolridge, Golden, McCrea, McBee, Maymon.
With that line up, this years Auburn team will be better than our team next season.
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talking about ugly!:banghead2::eek:hmy:
 
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This really does suck!!!! Bruce put Tn basketball on the map. I guess we will go back to the days of sucking. At least we had something to look forward to when football season ended.
 
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shyster said:
Name a "name " coach hired in BB or FB other than Johnny Majors. Don Devoe, a named coach? Fulmer? Battle? Houston? Peterson? Kiffen? Dooley? Hey, I loved Ray Mears. I even supported his 15-10 game scores before Ernie and Bernie and what that era ushered in. Don Devoe was an excellent coach but not a big name hire. His stints at VT and Wyoming by no means made him a "sure hire". Nor did Ray Mears history at Wittenburg foretell of a great career. All I'm saying, don't expect UT to hit it out of the park when it's time to hire a new coach. History just isn't there.
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Who said anything about hitting a homerun? The people that want to keep Pearl say UT can't possible hire a decent coach that will match his success and that is nonsense. They then point to history when UT had a 15 plus year reign of an anti-bball AD. A lot of the coaches you mentioned won a lot of games, who cars if they were big name hires. A coach can be quality without being a big name. Few hires of any school are homeruns. Bob Stoops at Oklahoma was earhtshattering hire. Billy D at Florida. UT doeasnt have to hire a big name, just a guy that can win and maintain integrity and rep the school well. Pearl has done 1 of those 3. The thing I don't get is how people seem to think that Pearl's fate just depend on potential successors. His termination is because of his actions.
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shyster said:
The arena was built under the program as it existed under Devoe. He was fired for "not getting us to the next level." Several years of short runs in the Tournament were enough to usher him out. Peopled cared about basketball,loved it enough to kill it for 20 years. You have a lot more confidence in MH than to expect him to do better than Dickey.
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Look at the Pratt Pavilion. Look at the renovations at TBA. Look at the money we've been paying Pearl. This is a program which has decided to invest in basketball. You don't follow up an investment like this by saying, "Oh well, never mind, I guess it didn't work out."

There are 350 basketball coaches in Division 1. If you have facilities and a budget, which we do, it should be easy to hire a good coach. This isn't football.
 
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Battle, Houston, Peterson, Kiffen? These won a lot of games and you wish we had kept them? Oh yeah. I forgot about the personable KO. Don't jump me on Ko being better than BP. There's a whole another thread to bash BP on hatenation.
 
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shyster said:
The arena was built under the program as it existed under Devoe. He was fired for "not getting us to the next level." Several years of short runs in the Tournament were enough to usher him out. Peopled cared about basketball,loved it enough to kill it for 20 years. You have a lot more confidence in MH than to expect him to do better than Dickey.
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Kill it for 20 years? Look up 97-2001. I seem to recall being in student section in 99 and 2000 vs UK and Auburn(chris porter days) and the place seemed rather lively
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shyster said:
Battle, Houston, Peterson, Kiffen? These won a lot of games and you wish we had kept them? Oh yeah. I forgot about the personable KO. Don't jump me on Ko being better than BP. There's a whole another thread to bash BP on hatenation.
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Good grief! You listed Majors, Fulmer as well. When did I say I wish UT kept the guys you listed? You are turning the argument around a bit. UT can hire a good bball coach. Bruce Pearl is not UT bball. Battle did have a lot of wins. Look at his overall record. Just wasn't enough and againt right people. Jerry Green had a lot of wins. Kiffin would have had a lot of wins too, just would have killed the program in the process. Again, sound familiar?
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OrangeInKy said:
Kill it for 20 years? Look up 97-2001. I seem to recall being in student section in 99 and 2000 vs UK and Auburn(chris porter days) and the place seemed rather lively
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The only things that "killed it" were the following decisions:
Wade Houston over Tim Floyd, Rick Majerus, and Mike Newell.
Jerry Green over Kevin Stallings and Bill Self.
Buzz Peterson over Mike Anderson and Gregg Marshall.
 
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shyster said:
Name a "name " coach hired in BB or FB other than Johnny Majors. Don Devoe, a named coach? Fulmer? Battle? Houston? Peterson? Kiffen? Dooley? Hey, I loved Ray Mears. I even supported his 15-10 game scores before Ernie and Bernie and what that era ushered in. Don Devoe was an excellent coach but not a big name hire. His stints at VT and Wyoming by no means made him a "sure hire". Nor did Ray Mears history at Wittenburg foretell of a great career. All I'm saying, don't expect UT to hit it out of the park when it's time to hire a new coach. History just isn't there.
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1. Presumably you know that Mears's famous 11-6 game was entirely the doing of the cowardly Temple Owls. His teams scored plenty of points.

2. If your definition of hiring a "name" coach is to go hire Bill Self away from Kansas or Krzyzewski away from Duke, then yeah, we probably won't. But those guys weren't big names when they took their current jobs either. You identify a good young coach whom you think has a chance to be a name coach one day, and you show him a suitcase full of money. It shouldn't be that hard.
 
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Yes, 1997 (O'Neill) with a loosing record, and the aforementioned Jerry Green, also ran off by Ut fans because of tournament troubles and frankly, a bad attitude. What a highlight.
Most of the fans were from UK.(Tongue in cheek).
 
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hatvol96 said:
The only things that "killed it" were the following decisions:
Wade Houston over Tim Floyd, Rick Majerus, and Mike Newell.
Jerry Green over Kevin Stallings and Bill Self.
Buzz Peterson over Mike Anderson and Gregg Marshall.
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And this gives you hope of a better hire this time?
 
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shyster said:
Yes, 1997 (O'Neill) with a loosing record, and the aforementioned Jerry Green, also ran off by Ut fans because of tournament troubles and frankly, a bad attitude. What a highlight.
Most of the fans were from UK.(Tongue in cheek).
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Green was run off because he thought he was bigger than he was, thought he was UT bball. Sound familiar? O'Neill has only outcoached Pearl twice with a vastly inferior roster and half the depth, you do the math. People skills don't determine a coach. Anyone can have "people skills" when the camera is rolling. The BP off camera is quite diff than the BP on camera. BP is a shrew PR guy.
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shyster said:
And this gives you hope of a better hire this time?
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Uh, yeah. Not sure if you have heard the news but Dickey left almost 10 years ago. Also, brand new facilities and a lot of $, things UT wasn't offering those days because the AD didn't want bball to succeed. How many times we gotta go over this
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Vercingetorix said:
1. Presumably you know that Mears's famous 11-6 game was entirely the doing of the cowardly Temple Owls. His teams scored plenty of points.

2. If your definition of hiring a "name" coach is to go hire Bill Self away from Kansas or Krzyzewski away from Duke, then yeah, we probably won't. But those guys weren't big names when they took their current jobs either. You identify a good young coach whom you think has a chance to be a name coach one day, and you show him a suitcase full of money. It shouldn't be that hard.
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It's so incredibly hard that Xavier has gotten it right six straight times.
 
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And he came a time that PR was highly needed. His winning record, both in season and tournament is good. Fuss about BP all you want, his W/L record is excellent and his tournament record unequaled in Tennessee history.
 
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shyster said:
And he came a time that PR was highly needed. His winning record, both in season and tournament is good. ***** about BP all you want, his W/L record is excellent and his tournament record unequaled in Tennessee history.
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Oh yeah, and he got UT in hot water with the AA. There's that little detail. You also dogged Battle but if you wanna play win pct game he won 73 pct and was 4-1 in bowls. Green had great win pct too.
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Vercingetorix said:
1. Presumably you know that Mears's famous 11-6 game was entirely the doing of the cowardly Temple Owls. His teams scored plenty of points.

2. If your definition of hiring a "name" coach is to go hire Bill Self away from Kansas or Krzyzewski away from Duke, then yeah, we probably won't. But those guys weren't big names when they took their current jobs either. You identify a good young coach whom you think has a chance to be a name coach one day, and you show him a suitcase full of money. It shouldn't be that hard.
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Sounds like you've seen The Master Plan (I.e. suitcase full of cash, get who you want).
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hatvol96 said:
The only things that "killed it" were the following decisions:
Wade Houston over Tim Floyd, Rick Majerus, and Mike Newell.
Jerry Green over Kevin Stallings and Bill Self.
Buzz Peterson over Mike Anderson and Gregg Marshall.
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hatvol96 said:
It's so incredibly hard that Xavier has gotten it right six straight times.
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I wish I had the faith you did in our AD hiring a coach and getting it right for a change. But the litany of failures you described in your first post is the reason most of don't want to see Pearl go.
 
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shyster said:
And we haven't, unless you count BP a success.
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I count BP a success, further proving my point that UT can hire good coach post Dickey. I think Pearl should go because of AA issues. Love how people point to UT's bad hires to argue for keeping Bruce, yet ignore the fact that Dickey made those hires and is no longer here. Convenient ommission, huh?
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oklavol said:
I wish I had the faith you did in our AD hiring a coach and getting it right for a change. But the litany of failures you described in your first post is the reason most of don't want to see Pearl go.
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Doug Dickless is coming back to hire the next basketball coach?
 
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