Pearl's Already Gone: The Exit Strategy Hypothesis

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shyster said:
And he came a time that PR was highly needed. His winning record, both in season and tournament is good. Fuss about BP all you want, his W/L record is excellent and his tournament record unequaled in Tennessee history.
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Who argues against any of that? The preparation sucks, but we've overcome it to win more than at essentially any point in our history. That said, our history isn't much of a measure for going forward and it doesn't make it tolerable that or coach blatantly lied to the AA and tried to enlist help in the process.
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hatvol96 said:
Doug Dickless is coming back to hire the next basketball coach?
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Amazing how these people refuse to acknowledge the Dickey issue. They also say they don't trust Hammy with the hire but he hired the guy that according to them invented UT bball
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#329
#329
shyster said:
Jerry Green a good Hire?
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What's wrong with you? Never said he was, but you are throwing out win records to support your "Bruce is UT bball" argument and I am reminding you that bad hires have even won many games at this basketball graveyard that you allege UT to be. Love how you avoid all my points and try to turn things around. Doug Dickey is gone.
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BigPapaVol said:
Who argues against any of that? The preparation sucks, but we've overcome it to win more than at essentially any point in our history. That said, our history isn't much of a measure for going forward and it doesn't make it tolerable that or coach blatantly lied to the AA and tried to enlist help in the process.
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This
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#331
#331
It seems to me that there is way to much Schlitz and giggles about the possible departure of BP with the very real uncertainty of the Basketball program. Many of these giggers were anti BP way before any Barbecue. I've not posted that all should be forgiven with BP or that he is clean as a whistle. I'm just saying that sometimes we don't want what we wish for after we've gotten it. I'm afraid that we could be in for a long dry spell. All may not be rosy if his demise is imminent.
 
#332
#332
The possibilities are endless, regardless what happens with Pearl.
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#334
And yes, I DO know that Dickey is gone. Our history at choosing coaches still sucks. MH probably will have to exit soon if all this comes down.
 
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shyster said:
It seems to me that there is way to much Schlitz and giggles about the possible departure of BP with the very real uncertainty of the Basketball program. Many of these giggers were anti BP way before any Barbecue. I've not posted that all should be forgiven with BP or that he is clean as a whistle. I'm just saying that sometimes we don't want what we wish for after we've gotten it. I'm afraid that we could be in for a long dry spell. All may not be rosy if his demise is imminent.
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Again, who has said it will be rosy? The issue here is a coach who deserves to go due to off court issues that hurt the program. You are avoided that issue altogether. It isn't about issues, it's about consequences. His actions will have consequences, and they will have a negative affect on the program. Nothing he has done gives him that right. In no way will keeping him be good for UT bball if/when he gets 1-2 year show cause. It's done, he did it. UT could whiff on hire or could make good hire. Unlike you, I am fully confident UT would have a chance for a good coach, who won't make us the subject of an AA probe
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shyster said:
And yes, I DO know that Dickey is gone. Our history at choosing coaches still sucks. MH probably will have to exit soon if all this comes down.
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If you know Dickey is gone then why did you mention 4 of his hires as a reason UT couldn't make good hire this year? Seems odd.
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shyster said:
And yes, I DO know that Dickey is gone. Our history at choosing coaches still sucks. MH probably will have to exit soon if all this comes down.
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I assume you think Pearl is a good hire? MH hired him. I think MH should go but you should look at the list of coaches UT was looking at in 2005. Not too shabby. Bob Huggins was interested in this job, so it seems people on this board think this job is worse than actual good coaches do
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#340
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I dont't consider Kiffen a good hire( AA issues too, you know), and I don't consider Todd Raleigh a good hire (at this point). His only successful hire is BP. Jury still out on Dooley. At this point it appears about a 33% chance.
 
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shyster said:
I dont't consider Kiffen a good hire( AA issues too, you know), and I don't consider Todd Raleigh a good hire (at this point). His only successful hire is BP. Jury still out on Dooley. At this point it appears about a 33% chance.
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I didn't want Kiffin either. However, he was building a winner and could recruit. He brought energy and interst to the program. My issue was always the AA stuff. Same as with Pearl. So it doesn't make sense why one would dog Kiffin and want Pearl to stay. Kiffin was competing with Fla and Bama in a way Fulmer hadn't. He was going to win, he was just going to embarras the program imo. Pearl is doing the same.
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#342
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oklavol said:
If Pearl's gone Hamilton will be too. :twocents:
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I totally agree. If Bruce leaves, Hamilton is gone too.
Who can UT get for both of these positions? The hardest to replace is the basketball coach. Can the Vols get someone as good as Bruce and recruit as well. I see UT getting someone from within (a former Vol -possibly) to replace Hamilton. Too much has happened at "Rockytop" in the last 2 years (i.e. football staff) and now the basketball staff. As far as I'm concerned, the hardest position to replace will be the Lady Vols head basketball coach when Pat Summitt decides to retire. Believe that will be within the next 5 years.

I'm a TRUE & LOYAL VOL FAN and always will be.:dance2::clapping::good!::yes:
 
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Tenacious D said:
Sounds like you've seen The Master Plan (I.e. suitcase full of cash, get who you want).
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The principle is not only as old as human civilization, it's probably the reason the abstraction of "money" was invented in the first place.
 
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TennFan said:
I totally agree. If Bruce leaves, the AD is gone too.
I see UT getting an AD from from within (a former Vol -possibly). :dance2::clapping::good!::yes:
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If it's who i think you are talking about, life around the Hill will be real interesting!
 
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#346
shyster said:
So you figure about a 33% chance of a good hire too?
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No. Of the three major hires he made, the only hire which didn't make sense was the guy that he had to hire about a week before signing day, and I don't even feel too bad about that one.
 
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shyster said:
So you figure about a 33% chance of a good hire too?
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No, nice try though. I guess it's 100pct since Hammy's lone bball hire was good. We are talking about bball you know? Regardless, I agree with above posters in saying I don't think Hammy makes the hire so the point is moot. Even so, Pearl deserves to be fired. If brother used to date a girl who was mean to him and cheated on him, I advised him to end the relationship. I didn't try to run a pct of his chances of finding a better girlfriend. It wasn't the issue. He didn't need to continue a relationship that affected him badly out of fear he couldn't do better. Same with our bball coaching situation. Pearl's ouster has nothing to do with potential hires and everything to do with the arrogance he has had in getting the program in trouble. Keep ignoring that issue
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#348
#348
MH batting 1.000%? Well that's an opinion, and I respect that. I love UT, too. No wonder you believe the next coach will be exceptional. I see the state of our football program and baseball program as both declining under the direction of MH-both were better when he got here than where they are now. Sting of bad luck for sure.
 
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shyster said:
I dont't consider Kiffen a good hire( AA issues too, you know), and I don't consider Todd Raleigh a good hire (at this point). His only successful hire is BP. Jury still out on Dooley. At this point it appears about a 33% chance.
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Hiring a good basketball coach should be a dozen times easier than hiring a good football coach. A, there are many, many more potential candidates, and B, the difference in success at a smaller school and success in a major conference is a lot smaller, so it's easier to directly project success. At any given time, there are a bunch of good coaches laboring at small schools who would jump at the opportunity and paycheck a school like UT offers. If you can't identify these guys, you shouldn't be an AD.

Dickey made a bunch of bad hires because he manifestly wasn't interested in learning anything about basketball. Hamilton came in and hired a guy who moved the program forward on his first try. It's not a coincidence.
 
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