Penn State sanctions reduced

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Volfan76 said:
If he's a lawyer, he's got to be the worst one in entire state of Alabama.... if you can imagine that. I deal with some snake of attorneys and I can't even see them shamelessly defending an organization that facilitated the ass rape of children.(or perhaps even worse yet, the organization that had the courage to punish them). This guy isn't even getting paid. He has an agenda.
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Yep. That's me. Defending child rape. You sure got me pegged.
 
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Volfan76 said:
If he's a lawyer, he's got to be the worst one in entire state of Alabama.... if you can imagine that. I deal with some snake of attorneys and I can't even see them shamelessly defending an organization that facilitated the ass rape of children. This guy isn't even getting paid. He has an agenda.
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I like how saying "the NCAA wasn't the organization that should have been issuing punishment here / that it overstepped its designated boundaries" is the same thing as "defending ass rape of children"

Bravo sir, bravo.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I'll wait right here while you track down any post I've made condoning the molestation of children.
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You've been patting bamawriter's back throughout his stupidity. Does it really matter if it's direct or indirect?
 
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TXA&M07 said:
The irony of that response from you is awe inspiring. Congratulations.
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Sarcastic praise and avoidance of the issue..wow, you are a real wordsmith. Congrats...you have just made my ignore list along with bamawriter.
 
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aredfox28 said:
They are not understanding this part..
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However, LOIC, as it's written, seems to be made/structured in a way that it's only dealing with NCAA rules and their being followed/not broken on a campus, as well as how investigations are handled/cooperated with....giving the term power to cover anything more than that...well, it would be stretching its power to suite a need, possibly of a moment's desire, based off name alone; not what the designation actually covers.

I don't think it's really an umbrella-cover-all/anything term like a lot of people like to make it out to be.

LOIC centers on if there were adequate policies and procedures in place for an institution to comply with NCAA rules, and if those steps were being monitored and enforced by designated individuals at the time of a violation. A failure to monitor occurs when those policies and procedures are in place to comply with NCAA rules, but the institution failed to fully monitor specific areas of the program for limited periods of time.
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The NCAA Committee on Infractions provides the following list as a roadmap for institutions to avoid a finding of a lack of institutional control:

* The NCAA rules applicable to each operation are readily available to those persons involved in that operation.

* Appropriate forms are provided to persons involved in specific operations to ensure that they will properly follow NCAA rules.

* A procedure is established for timely communication among various university offices regarding determinations that affect compliance with NCAA rules.

* Meaningful compliance education programs are provided for personnel engaged in athletically related operations.

* Informational and educational programs are established to inform athletics boosters of the limitations on their activities under NCAA rules and of the penalties that can arise if they are responsible for rule violations.

* Informational and educational programs are established for student-athletes regarding the rules that they must follow

* An internal monitoring system is in place to ensure compliance with NCAA rules.

* An external audit of athletics compliance is undertaken at reasonable intervals.

* The chief executive officer and other senior administrators make clear that they demand compliance with NCAA rules and that they will not tolerate those who deliberately violate the rules or do so through gross negligence.

* The institution and its staff members have a long history of self-detecting, self-reporting and self-investigating all potential violations.
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The way in which the measures are carried out and the attitude toward compliance within the institution are vital factors.”
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Volfan76 said:
You've been patting bamawriter's back throughout his stupidity. Does it really matter if it's direct or indirect?
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I want the perp and all who protected him to rot in prison. I don't want their sins to affect the livelihood of those who did no wrong.

But, since I don't really care if PSU wins or loses a few football games, I'm in favor of child rape. I guess I'm an awful human being.
 
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bamawriter said:
I want the perp and all who protected him to rot in prison. I don't want their sins to affect the livelihood of those who did no wrong.

But, since I don't really care if PSU wins or loses a few football games, I'm in favor of child rape. I guess I'm an awful human being.
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Wonder who will be the first to take this post as non-sarcastic, because seemingly someone always does
 
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TrueOrange said:
However, LOIC, as it's written, seems to be made/structured in a way that it's only dealing with NCAA rules and their being followed/not broken on a campus, as well as how investigations are handled/cooperated with....giving the term power to cover anything more than that...well, it would be stretching its power to suite a need, possibly of a moment's desire, based off name alone; not what the designation actually covers.

I don't think it's really an umbrella-cover-all/anything term like a lot of people like to make it out to be.
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They are not understanding this part.
 
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bamawriter said:
I want the perp and all who protected him to rot in prison. I don't want their sins to affect the livelihood of those who did no wrong.

But, since I don't really care if PSU wins or loses a few football games, I'm in favor of child rape. I guess I'm an awful human being.
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Condoning punishment of the entire athletic program (read ALL of the PSU student athletes) for years is like condoning cruel and unusual punishment. Maybe we can waterboard all of the PSU lady soccer players as retribution.




Yes, I know the above is stupid, but Vol76's position is about the same. Everyone that had anything to do with this should be punished to the fullest extent of the law in criminal court........not the court of the NCAA.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
And punishing the kids playing now does this how?
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Except all of the kids were given the opportunity to transfer without any penalties against them.

They chose to stay which shows how commendable they are.

I'm not saying that what the NCAA did was right, I'm just not saying it was wrong either. Because look at what is going on at Vandy right now? Some fishy cover up behavior. And in that case it doesn't look like criminal charges are going to be filed...
 
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YorkVol said:
There are a lot of good points being made in this thread. From my view, had the Sandusky incident been the only incident, then I would absolutely agree the NCAA had no issue being involved. However, again in my opinion, the secret disciplinary culture within the PSU football program contributed to the way Sandusky's activities were hidden and the police were in no position to break up that culture.

For most of Joe's time as HC at PSU, he controlled every aspect of the program. He and often he alone, determined who would be punished for anything anyone in the football program did wrong. There were allegations and rumors of robberies, assaults, cheating, and so forth that popped up over the years. Police were rarely involved and if they were, they quickly and quietly left the scene and allowed Paterno to handle the situation. There was no thought to go to any authority outside of Joe for anything involving the football program. And, when PSU administrators who were responsible for investigating and ruling on student issues tried to involve themselves with football players, they were either quieted or fired. Finally, Penn State's record of compliance with NCAA by-laws is a well known charade--it wasn't that they never violated any, they just never reported and no one in their compliance department was brave enough to hold them accountable.

In my mind, the NCAA recognized this culture of secrecy as both an issue for overall NCAA authority and compliance, as well as one of the major contributors to Sandusky being able to continue his horrible actions over time. Had the issue been left solely up to law enforcement, then it is entirely possible that that sort of wall of silence would have impacted the trial. And, the culture of secrecy would have continued on anything else regarding the program. Therefore, the NCAA was the only body capable of shaking them up to the point where they (i.e. PSU) saw the need to open up and join the rest of college football in terms of compliance and transparency. I think they did the right thing at the time and I think the developments in the program since have proven that to be correct. Now that they have made the changes, I have no issue if the NCAA wants to reduce the penalties as they've had the effect that was needed.
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YorkVol, this was worth a like and a bump. You nailed it as to the what and to the why. Bravo.:clapping:
 
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