Penn State sanctions reduced

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bamawriter said:
Sorry, what you described is vengeance, not justice. We aren't simply talking about coaches and players. We are talking about anyone involved with PSU's athletic department, where every other sport is supported by the revenue generated by football. We are talking about the business owners in area who depend on 7 weekends every year to make a living.

As I've said, the University, the program, and the team are just groups of people. Doling out vengeance upon those people, none of whom were involved in the crime or cover up, is morally repugnant. Is "you can't cover up child rape" a message that really needs to be sent?
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Let me tell you an interesting story bamawriter. I have a lady who works in my department who is originally from Pennsylvania, not far from the Penn State campus. She said that those stories of Sandusky molesting kids were going around for YEARS! To the point to where it had become sort of a running joke among locals! She said there was even an ice cream shop near where she lived that at one time had an ice cream flavor called "The Sandusky." Obviously word had gotten out about Jerry and the things he was rumored to be doing.

You can call it vengeance, justice, whatever I don't care about playing semantics. What I DO care about is that even though the university or the program and the people who are in place right now may not be directly at fault for what happened. It is absolutely and unequivocally their RESPONSIBILITY. And in my opinion, part of that responsibility should be to accept the sanctions originially handed down by the NCAA and manage things as best they can while under those sanctions! Like I said, Penn State should count themselves lucky to even still HAVE a football program after what happened!
 
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Volfan76 said:
What is wrong with you?..Seriously? Children were molested by a sick, twisted monster. He was caught IN THE ACT on multiple occasions. It could have been stopped but wasn't because an organization was afraid it would lose money and afraid it would hurt the image and success of a football program.
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No, an organization was not afraid of anything. Four men who were a part of an organization with thousands of members were afraid, and those four men did wrong. Unless you are firm believer in guilt by associaton. In that case, God help you if your coworker, family member, or any other person connected to your life ever does anything wrong.

CHILDREN were allowed to be raped because of money and football. This is disgusting and should be condemned by all of society.
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I wasn't aware that anyone wasn't condemning the actions of Sandusky, Paterno, Spanier, Curley, and Schultz. Heck, I'll even throw in Mike McQueary. If they NCAA should have punished anyone, they should have laid a show cause on that spineless twerp.

Any entity that has any authority or power over this institution at any level should act to condemn and correct it...donors, state, ncaa, justice dept, ANYBODY. This is a crime against humanity and it should be condemned by everyone. If your hatred of the NCAA supersedes your disgust of child abuse, maybe it's time to step away from football for a while...this board in particular. There are more important things in life than football.
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There are more important things in life than football, and to prove this, the NCAA should do what they can to make sure that PSU doesn't win very many football games? Logical, rational people will see a flaw in that plan, so I'm sure you won't.
 
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to me and others Bamawriter your just saying it is ok and there shouldn't be no long lasting lesson for PS to deal with,to me they should have to deal with this for a long time,just so others will know this isn't acceptable
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Let me tell you an interesting story bamawriter. I have a lady who works in my department who is originally from Pennsylvania, not far from the Penn State campus. She said that those stories of Sandusky molesting kids were going around for YEARS! To the point to where it had become sort of a running joke among locals! She said there was even an ice cream shop near where she lived that at one time had an ice cream flavor called "The Sandusky." Obviously word had gotten out about Jerry and the things he was rumored to be doing.
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Anyone else who knew about Sandusky and did nothing should be held accountable. Anyone who didn't, shouldn't.

You can call it vengeance, justice, whatever I don't care about playing semantics. What I DO care about is that even though the university or the program and the people who are in place right now may not be directly at fault for what happened. It is absolutely and unequivocally their RESPONSIBILITY. And in my opinion, part of that responsibility should be to accept the sanctions originially handed down by the NCAA and manage things as best they can while under those sanctions! Like I said, Penn State should count themselves lucky to even still HAVE a football program after what happened!
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The responsibility of those currently in charge at PSU is to do what they can to make the victims whole. There is only so much they can do, but writing huge checks is a really good place to start. Laying waste to a football program does absolutely nothing to help the victims.
 
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I can see both sides of the argument. However, punishment was handed down and to go back on that without any new development is just another example of how incompetent the NCAA is.
 
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governmentmule said:
to me and others Bamawriter your just saying it is ok and there shouldn't be no long lasting lesson for PS to deal with,to me they should have to deal with this for a long time,just so others will know this isn't acceptable
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You are stupid. And I don't mean that to be insulting for the sake of insult. You continually accuse me of arguing that "everything is okay", as if I don't care that children were abused. You are stupid, and I know this because you either cannot understand what you are reading, or you aren't capable of rationally debating me, so you resort to the lowest, ugliest accusation possible.

Stop being stupid.
 
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governmentmule said:
i don't care what you say jo pa and the crew were involved in it some way shape or form,we all agree on that ?I'm not really concerned with the players that have came after,that is there decision,to me,it is just saying it is ok,go ahead and lets run business as usual,that is what bothers me the most,there not being held accountable,so i guess it is ok what went on,not to me
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Then prosecute those involved.
 
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bamawriter said:
The responsibility of those currently in charge at PSU is to do what they can to make the victims whole. There is only so much they can do, but writing huge checks is a really good place to start. Laying waste to a football program does absolutely nothing to help the victims.
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Humbly accepting the NCAA's punishments and saying "thank you kind sir may I have some more?" Also serves as a great way to show the victims and the families that the university is accepting proper responsibility for what that university and program allowed to happen. To me, cutting some checks and then turning around and lobbying for the NCAA to relax their sanction on them for what happened, it shows me that all Penn State is interested in is for this whole thing to just go away.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Humbly accepting the NCAA's punishments and saying "thank you kind sir may I have some more?" Also serves as a great way to show the victims and the families that the university is accepting proper responsibility for what that university and program allowed to happen. To me, cutting some checks and then turning around and lobbying for the NCAA to relax their sanction on them for what happened, it shows me that all Penn State is interested in is for this whole thing to just go away.
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Penn State hasn't lobbied for anything. The NCAA commissioned the Mitchell Report that commended PSU for their efforts. The NCAA did so because they've caught a lot of flack from their members and the media over the absurdity of the sanctions. But PSU has been fairly quiet about the whole thing.
 
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Volfan76 said:
What is wrong with you?..Seriously? Children were molested by a sick, twisted monster. He was caught IN THE ACT on multiple occasions. It could have been stopped but wasn't because an organization was afraid it would lose money and afraid it would hurt the image and success of a football program. CHILDREN were allowed to be raped because of money and football. This is disgusting and should be condemned by all of society. Any entity that has any authority or power over this institution at any level should act to condemn and correct it...donors, state, ncaa, justice dept, ANYBODY. This is a crime against humanity and it should be condemned by everyone. If your hatred of the NCAA supersedes your disgust of child abuse, maybe it's time to step away from football for a while...this board in particular. There are more important things in life than football.
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You SERIOUSLY need to take your own advice; it's obvious your emotions are severely clouding any logic involved in this discussion.
 
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bamawriter said:
You are stupid. And I don't mean that to be insulting for the sake of insult. You continually accuse me of arguing that "everything is okay", as if I don't care that children were abused. You are stupid, and I know this because you either cannot understand what you are reading, or you aren't capable of rationally debating me, so you resort to the lowest, ugliest accusation possible.

Stop being stupid.
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you should read your own post,i do have a very strong opinion on this,as others do,no need to to get to name calling
 
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bamawriter said:
Penn State hasn't lobbied for anything. The NCAA commissioned the Mitchell Report that commended PSU for their efforts. The NCAA did so because they've caught a lot of flack from their members and the media over the absurdity of the sanctions. But PSU has been fairly quiet about the whole thing.
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If that's the case then good for them! However I still don't see the positive in it lifiting the sanctions. It's still a PROGRAM that allowed something terrible to happen. As such, the PROGRAM needs to be held accountable. As it is, they're reducing the punishment down to something of the equivalent to grade fixing or playing inelligible players.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Humbly accepting the NCAA's punishments and saying "thank you kind sir may I have some more?" Also serves as a great way to show the victims and the families that the university is accepting proper responsibility for what that university and program allowed to happen. To me, cutting some checks and then turning around and lobbying for the NCAA to relax their sanction on them for what happened, it shows me that all Penn State is interested in is for this whole thing to just go away.
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You have a point about the "good will" move by PS. I can see a point in that, but it does not sway my opinion. It's a valid point though.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
If that's the case then good for them! However I still don't see the positive in it lifiting the sanctions. It's still a PROGRAM that allowed something terrible to happen. As such, the PROGRAM needs to be held accountable. As it is, they're reducing the punishment down to something of the equivalent to grade fixing or playing inelligible players.
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The "PROGRAM" is people running it, so if you get rid of and prosecute the people that allowed it to happen, seems like you fix the problem, rather than just slap some emotion-based penalty on it to make everybody feel better.
 
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