Penn State scandal (merged)

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utvolpj said:
not just school facilities, football facilities. There's quite a difference
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Nah. Paterno had no control over football facilities either. No way he would buck up to whoever "cut the deal with Sandusky"

Ask Darwinism. He's been to state college
 
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Can monkeys read?


Deadspin.com reported, even this “punishment” was fictional. As late as 2009, Sandusky was on campus running a sleep-away camp for boys as young as nine years old. One alleged victim told the grand jury that Sandusky brought him to a Penn State preseason practice in 2007—a full five years after Paterno was made aware of the shower rape. This is why it’s hard to take seriously Paterno’s statement on Sunday, where he said, “If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers.”

Where is that punk ass realut?
 
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LawVol13 said:
Putting someone on paid administrative leave doesn't deny them due process. Saying, "Jerry, you're going to have to not come back on the premises until this thing is fully investigated" isn't a denial of due process. Taking that action is the proper way to handle these things. That's protocol everywhere. I find it funny that in some instances you like to bring up following protocol as a defense to some of these ass holes, but when it's clear that they didn't even come close to following virtually every organization's protocol on the investigative side of this, you act as if protocol is meaningless and doesn't factor into your opinion. That seems incredibly hypocritical to me.

If an employee was summarily fired because of a baseless accusation, then maybe you'd have a point. Placing them on paid administrative leave or banning Sandusky from the facilities is simply not a denial of due process. If he's cleared, let him back on the property. If the employee is cleared, let them come back to work. But look at the repercussions for just sitting on your ass and passing the buck: a monster raped and victimized at least 20 young kids. There's no defending the way this was handled, theRealUT.

Also, I think I can speak on behalf of everyone on VN in thanking you for your service on behalf of our country. Have a great day.:hi:
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To clear up anything that looks hypocritical:

1. I am not attempting to defend Paterno because he followed protocol; I am attempting to defend him because I feel he should have felt as though he could trust the AD when the AD told him it would be investigated and dealt with.

2. I do think that there is no way to put Sandusky on administrative leave without defaming him. At least his wife would ask, "Why are you not going to work?", in which case the honest answer would have to be "Because they are investigating me for pedophilia". If it had turned out that Sandusky never acted inappropriately (this is a hypothetical if), then he has still had to tell his wife that he is being investigated for pedophilia (or lie to her). I do not think it is right to put someone in such a situation without more substantial evidence.

3. Do to regression I cited earlier, I think that this policy opens the door to the possibility of every employee being barred from premises due to uncorroborated accusations.

4. I think it should have been reasonable to expect Penn State to have efficiently conducted the investigation; if done with due diligence and appropriate expediency, I think the investigation could have and should have either reached more substantial and corroborated claims (in which Sandusky would then be barred from the premises) or no further claims within a matter of a few months to half a year (in which case, less kids would have been victimized).
 
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What do you call an older woman that has sex with boys? *A cougar

What do you call an older man that has sex with boys? A Nittany Lion
 
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DrunkJohnny said:
And why would he do that?
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Why. Oh I dont know, police investigation, DA involvement, DC being forced to retire. Dont know, there's just nothing to suggest that Paterno and Sandusky maintained any kind of relationship after that. And I just looked at that list of Honorary Board members, that means less than nothing.
 
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therealUT said:
2. I do think that there is no way to put Sandusky on administrative leave without defaming him. At least his wife would ask, "Why are you not going to work?", in which case the honest answer would have to be "Because they are investigating me for pedophilia". If it had turned out that Sandusky never acted inappropriately (this is a hypothetical if), then he has still had to tell his wife that he is being investigated for pedophilia (or lie to her). I do not think it is right to put someone in such a situation without more substantial evidence.
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Then why did Sandusky suddenly retire in 1999?

To avoid from the truth coming out?
 
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therealUT said:
1. I am not attempting to defend Paterno because he followed protocol; I am attempting to defend him because I feel he should have felt as though he could trust the AD when the AD told him it would be investigated and dealt with.
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I would argue that the problem with giving Paterno this out is that Happy Valley didn't operate this way. Paterno would have been involved in any discussion about cutting deals or at least privy to the details of how the situation was handled.
 
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therealUT said:
To clear up anything that looks hypocritical:



2. I do think that there is no way to put Sandusky on administrative leave without defaming him. At least his wife would ask, "Why are you not going to work?", in which case the honest answer would have to be "Because they are investigating me for pedophilia". If it had turned out that Sandusky never acted inappropriately (this is a hypothetical if), then he has still had to tell his wife that he is being investigated for pedophilia (or lie to her). I do not think it is right to put someone in such a situation without more substantial evidence.
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Ok, here's the issue that you and I have with this.

What's worse: someone being placed on administrative leave for a few weeks and having to tell his wife what's going on while having the legal recourse to sue whoever wrongfully accused him if it's a baseless allegation OR

Allowing a monstrous child rapist to continue using the same facilities to rape more children?

To me, that answer is very, very easy.
 
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YorkVol said:
I think you would also take into account the witness and his relationship with the one he is accusing. MQ grew up around the Sandusky home and JS as a kid, as a collegiate player and as an adult. He was the least likely to bring false charges against JS. In my view, that should have driven faster action by Joe Pa and the AD. The fact they didn't makes we wonder if they weren't shocked and needed time to work out a plan.
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YorkVol, I'm not challenging you on this by any means: where does this info come from? Because if the GA was around Sandusky a lot as a kid, there's a whole other set of possible reasons for his silence and continued employment.

It made my hair stand up when I read this.
 
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NWGVol said:
Nah. Paterno had no control over football facilities either. No way he would buck up to whoever "cut the deal with Sandusky"

Ask Darwinism. He's been to state college
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Been to Ringgold too, want me to share some personal perspective?

Appears you guys missed the point about State College, its not exactly a metropolis.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Ok, here's the issue that you and I have with this.

What's worse: someone being placed on administrative leave for a few weeks and having to tell his wife what's going on while having the legal recourse to sue whoever wrongfully accused him if it's a baseless allegation OR

Allowing a monstrous child rapist to continue using the same facilities to rape more children?

To me, that answer is very, very easy.
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The horror of Sandusky having to lie to his wife. I'm sure a man of his character would have been terrified.
 
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GAVol said:
I would argue that the problem with giving Paterno this out is that Happy Valley didn't operate this way. Paterno would have been involved in any discussion about cutting deals or at least privy to the details of how the situation was handled.
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Who was in a position of power at Penn State's athletic department was very clear. Prior to this incident, if the AD thought that it was in the best interest of the University to get Jo Pa to retire, do you think he could have done so? Of course not. Joe Paterno ran that athletic deparment. He was bigger than the athletic department. Thus, a protocol for reporting things up the chain of command is useless because the chain of command is a fiction. He is/was the most powerful man in that athetlic department, and it's not close.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
Been to Ringgold too, want me to share some personal perspective?

Appears you guys missed the point about State College, its not exactly a metropolis.
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Explain this, Darwinism. How does this statement support your "disassociation" claim?

Paterno is listed on The Second Mile's website as a member of its honorary board of directors, a group that includes business executives, golfing great Arnold Palmer and several Pro Football Hall of Famers and coaches, including retired Pittsburgh Steelers stars Jack Ham and Franco Harris.
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Joe Paterno, president Graham Spanier out at Penn State - ESPN
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
How do you know that? The friggin DA that investigated and dropped the original charges is MIA (dead/murdered), so unless Paterno is at the center of this conspiracy, somebody else in a position of authority at Penn State cut that deal and nobody knows if Paterno had/has veto powers over that arrangement. Sorry.
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So Paterno had the power to tell his "superiors" to eff when they wanted him to retire and he would retire on his own terms but didn't have the power to ensure Sandusky wasn't allowed in the football facilities?

Interesting to say the least.
 
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