Penn State scandal (merged)

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CountVolcula said:
No, you would rather protect a piece of **** that would as soon chop off your ****ing head than protect the lives of American soldiers

I admire the man for doing what it took to save his men from being ambushed. If it takes knocking the **** out of a terrorist , then so be it.
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Selective morality. What would you do if that were your grandson doing the pistol whipping? bwahahahaaahaa
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Didn't bother reading the whole thread, so what I'm about to say here might be a repeat of other posts, but in any event, is my opinion and mine alone.....

There is nothing more sickening, more reprehensible, and more vile, than any adult that knowingly and willingly abuses a child. Period.

Coming from law enforcement, and having dealt with these animals, I have come to the experience-based opinion that a child molester cannot be rehabilitated. Given the opportunity, they will do it again...every time.

There is only one thing to do with them when they are caught. Lock them up for the remainder of their life. That is the only way...the ONLY way...to stop them, short of Arab Justice.

There is a special place in hell for Jerry Sandusky. I am aware of the presumption of "Innocent until proven Guilty", but the evidence against him is overwhelming, and thus I am comfortable in my opinion.

As for the PSU administration, and Joe Pa...it's safe to say that there's a lot we don't know. Phone calls, meetings, etc. But we do know that a GA told Joe what he saw, and Joe told his bosses (?), and nothing happened. The police were never called. Sandusky still had full access to PSU facilities; the Second Mile; and kids.

There's a failure of the system there, folks. A huge one.

If it's not Joe Pa, I might buy the "I told the boss" excuse. But Joe Pa, like Bobby Bowden...or Jim Tressel...WAS Penn State. Nobody blows him off, and nobody keeps him out of the loop. This was a serious accusation, and Joe Pa should have asked the follow-up question, or been given the explanation as to "what was done about it". He wasn't, he didn't, and one has to wonder why.

Why didn't Joe ask? Why wasn't he told? Why was nothing done?

And the big one...why did Sandusky still have full access to PSU, and kids?

That's the elephant in the room, and that's what the PSU Board of Trustees had to address. They did, and they did the right thing. All of the informed, and thus involved parties...including Joe Pa...had to go. Now.

It was the right decision, and if you're trying to do the right thing, it's the only decision. Everyone, and anyone, who knew anything about the allegations, and didn't demand answers, and justice...gone. Now.

Damn straight.

Here's my question to Lavar Arrington, Franco Harris, and all the other PSU football alums who are lining up in support of Joe Pa: What if your child was one of those who were sexually abused. Joe knew about it, and "told his bosses". And nobody else. Never followed up, and never notified the authorities.

You okay with that? Can you look your child in the face and say "Coach Paterno did what he thought was right."

Can you?

Perhaps you should have a face-to-face meeting with the parents of the children that were sexually abused (and there are far more than 15 of them, guaranteed), and explain to them why Joe Paterno should not be held responsible for his inexplicable decision to not demand answers from his "bosses"...or why he didn't do what any of us would do when presented with credible evidence that a child was being abused, and just find 3 numbers on a telephone.

9...1...1

The bottom line is that, in the biggest game of his career...with the safety of children on the line...Joe Pa committed the ultimate penalty.

Failure to Act.

That flag will never go away.

Go Vols, and God Bless the victims of Jerry Sandusky...and Penn State.
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well said, I also think Asst. Coach McCreepy should be refrenced as well.....

Evidently he didn't follow up either...
 
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therealUT said:
I am not morally superior. I do not know that I have ever claimed that; if that has been implied, then let me clarify: I very often do not live up to my moral standards.

West committed the crime of pistol-whipping an unarmed detainee. I see no reason to harm someone who is unarmed and is not posing a threat.

I am do not have a "means justify the ends" outlook on life. West, apparently, does. I find that reprehensible.
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West is a contemporary and friend. By almost all respects he was s great battalion commander, but he screwed up that night. That said he is the opposite of Sandusky. If we were debating MQ going to jail for assaulting JS, then Allen West enters the conversation.
 
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vol_in_il said:
well said, I also think Asst. Coach McCreepy should be refrenced as well.....

Evidently he didn't follow up either...
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This is the kind of crap that really frosts my gourd, what exactly would have been acceptable "follow up" to you? What was he supposed to do, knock down Paterno's door and say "Joe, you old bastard, WTF are you doing about this Sandusky thing?" lmao Yeah right.

McQueary has no criminal liability, neither does Paterno so you guys might as well get prepped for a big disappointment. (tears) Neither will escape civil suits, and it may be that JP lied to, or at least didnt fully articulate what he was told to the Grand Jury, but who knows cause all we know is what MM testified he saw, we have no testimony or statements regarding what he told Paterno.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
This is the kind of crap that really frosts my gourd, what exactly would have been acceptable "follow up" to you? What was he supposed to do, knock down Paterno's door and say "Joe, you old bastard, WTF are you doing about this Sandusky thing?" lmao Yeah right.

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Absolutely he should asked Joe Pa about it
I wouldn't have said "WTF", but I would have asked why he was still around the progarm, after witnessing him raping a 10 year old in the shower

McCreepy's not reacting to hearsay, rumors or speculation...He witnessed it, took no action to stop it, and didn't ask for resolution
 
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therealUT said:
American Soldiers are no more or less valuable than any other human beings.
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To me they are, and I've been there, and done that.

Once the soldiers, Marines, airmen, and sailors under our command are "no more or less valuable" than any others...we tend to use that logic to justify unacceptable risk...and loss.

I treated all my guys like they were my son. If I wouldn't put my son in that spot, I didn't put my sailors in it. It might have hurt my "win total"...but I never lost any sleep over guys I lost.

Mind you, this was 1980 - 2000. Different world, then. But I have spent a lot of time, and nights, thinking it over...have a lot of friends who have been to Iraq and Afghanistan...and I can't think of a single legitimate reason for one more dead American in either of those two theatres.

God Bless Our Troops...especially our Snipers.

And Go Vols.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
This is the kind of crap that really frosts my gourd, what exactly would have been acceptable "follow up" to you? What was he supposed to do, knock down Paterno's door and say "Joe, you old bastard, WTF are you doing about this Sandusky thing?" lmao Yeah right.

McQueary has no criminal liability, neither does Paterno so you guys might as well get prepped for a big disappointment. (tears) Neither will escape civil suits, and it may be that JP lied to, or at least didnt fully articulate what he was told to the Grand Jury, but who knows cause all we know is what MM testified he saw, we have no testimony or statements regarding what he told Paterno.
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So then, if your child was one of the abused kids, you're okay with Joe Pa getting a pass, right?

Just asking.

Go Vols.
 
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vol_in_il said:
Absolutely he should asked Joe Pa about it
I wouldn't have said "WTF", but I would have asked why he was still around the progarm, after witnessing him raping a 10 year old in the shower

McCreepy's not reacting to hearsay, rumors or speculation...He witnessed it, took no action to stop it, and didn't ask for resolution
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You people dont live in the real world do you? "Didn't ask for a resolution." lmao

Lets for the sake of discussion say that McQueary DID follow up with Paterno, something like "Hey Coach, anything going on with that uh thing?" And Paterno says "Dont worry, I talked to the AD and they are taking care of it." Now first of all, we dont know that is exactly what happened, its possible. Not part of any GJ testimony so its possible. Second of all MM had no responsibility to follow ip, and none of you have any idea what you would have done in the same circumstance, you only think you do which is total BS.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
You people dont live in the real world do you? "Didn't ask for a resolution." lmao

Lets for the sake of discussion say that McQueary DID follow up with Paterno, something like "Hey Coach, anything going on with that uh thing?" And Paterno says "Dont worry, I talked to the AD and they are taking care of it." Now first of all, we dont know that is exactly what happened, its possible. Not part of any GJ testimony so its possible. Second of all MM had no responsibility to follow ip, and none of you have any idea what you would have done in the same circumstance, you only think you do which is total BS.
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He had every right, and complete responsibility, to follow up. It was a CHILD.

And I know exactly what I would have done in those same circumstances.

It was a child. I can always get another job.

That child only has one life.

Go Vols.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
You people dont live in the real world do you? "Didn't ask for a resolution." lmao

Lets for the sake of discussion say that McQueary DID follow up with Paterno, something like "Hey Coach, anything going on with that uh thing?" And Paterno says "Dont worry, I talked to the AD and they are taking care of it." Now first of all, we dont know that is exactly what happened, its possible. Not part of any GJ testimony so its possible. Second of all MM had no responsibility to follow ip, and none of you have any idea what you would have done in the same circumstance, you only think you do which is total BS.
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I lived all around the world, and it's been real every where, I've been....I also don't think I know what I would do, I know exactly what I would have done. MrCreepy deserves every ciivl suit that comes his way
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
And thus, you are an "enabler", if only by your complicity.

Think about what that means.

Go Vols.
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Jesus, what a loon. I said I understand why it wasnt reported, not that I agree with it. How does that make me an enabler?

I'm glad to see another whacko enter this discussion on the side of truth and justice for all, but the bottom line is you dont have a damn clue what you would have done if you were Mike McQueary. You might think you do, but you dont. Plain and simple.

And since you called me an enabler I'm going to call you a friggin hypocrite.
 
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vol_in_il said:
I lived all around the world, and it's been real every where, I've been....I also don't think I know what I would do, I know exactly what I would have done. MrCreepy deserves every ciivl suit that comes his way
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Then you're just another idiot.

If I walk into a public shower and see an old man sodomizing a 10 year old kid I dont have any doubts about what I would do. But if I am a GA at Penn State, and I see the DC, who I have known most of my life, raping a kid, I dont know what I would have done. Scenario 1= I pulverize the son of a bit_ch and drag his bleeding half dead ass to the cops, Scenario 2 = I dont know, and you know what, neither do you.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
Jesus, what a loon. I said I understand why it wasnt reported, not that I agree with it. How does that make me an enabler?

I'm glad to see another whacko enter this discussion on the side of truth and justice for all, but the bottom line is you dont have a damn clue what you would have done if you were Mike McQueary. You might think you do, but you dont. Plain and simple.

And since you called me an enabler I'm going to call you a friggin hypocrite.
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Yeah, I'm a loon...and a whacko...and I don't have a damn clue. Oh...and a hypocrite. A friggin one, to boot.

You got me...you got the Tater.

Feel better now?

Sandusky's only hope is if you make the jury pool.

That about sums it up.

Go Vols.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
Then you're just another idiot.

If I walk into a public shower and see an old man sodomizing a 10 year old kid I dont have any doubts about what I would do. But if I am a GA at Penn State, and I see the DC, who I have known most of my life, raping a kid, I dont know what I would have done. Scenario 1= I pulverize the son of a bit_ch and drag his bleeding half dead ass to the cops, Scenario 2 = I dont know, and you know what, neither do you.
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And thus, an enabler. Your words.

Unlike you, none of the rest of us have that "moral dilemna" you seem to be hung up on.

Of course, that's because we're all loons.

Go Vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Yeah, I'm a loon...and a whacko...and I don't have a damn clue. Oh...and a hypocrite. A friggin one, to boot.
You got me...you got the Tater.
Feel better now?
Sandusky's only hope is if you make the jury pool.
That about sums it up.
Go Vols.
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NO, this sums it up. RTFB.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/around-ncaa/144629-penn-state-scandal-merged-306.html#post5825159

I said I didnt agree with what happened, HTF does that make me an enabler you damn hypocrite?

And BTW, there is no bigger hypocrite in this whole sad scenario than Joe Paterno! Just because I say I understand what happened doesnt make me a ******ned enabler.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
And thus, an enabler. Your words.

Unlike you, none of the rest of us have that "moral dilemna" you seem to be hung up on.

Of course, that's because we're all loons.

Go Vols.
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No, it just means I have enough sense to realize that in that same exact situation, I dont know what I would have done. If you say that you do then you are just a damned liar.
 
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Sometimes the truth hurts when one is forced to face their own logic.

I don't claim the moral high ground. I have many regrets, and many mistakes, in my past.

Fortunately for me, being an enabler for child abuse is not one of of them.

The good thing is that you can always take that nametag off, and get a new one.

Before it's too late.

Go Vols.
 
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