Penn State scandal (merged)

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therealUT said:
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I've got a question for you, therealUt. You pretty routinely reference your military experience, which is admirable. Do you think it'd be just hilarious for people to post pictures of dead soldiers with little cartoon animations? I don't. I'm sure you would though. Right?
 
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Didn't bother reading the whole thread, so what I'm about to say here might be a repeat of other posts, but in any event, is my opinion and mine alone.....

There is nothing more sickening, more reprehensible, and more vile, than any adult that knowingly and willingly abuses a child. Period.

Coming from law enforcement, and having dealt with these animals, I have come to the experience-based opinion that a child molester cannot be rehabilitated. Given the opportunity, they will do it again...every time.

There is only one thing to do with them when they are caught. Lock them up for the remainder of their life. That is the only way...the ONLY way...to stop them, short of Arab Justice.

There is a special place in hell for Jerry Sandusky. I am aware of the presumption of "Innocent until proven Guilty", but the evidence against him is overwhelming, and thus I am comfortable in my opinion.

As for the PSU administration, and Joe Pa...it's safe to say that there's a lot we don't know. Phone calls, meetings, etc. But we do know that a GA told Joe what he saw, and Joe told his bosses (?), and nothing happened. The police were never called. Sandusky still had full access to PSU facilities; the Second Mile; and kids.

There's a failure of the system there, folks. A huge one.

If it's not Joe Pa, I might buy the "I told the boss" excuse. But Joe Pa, like Bobby Bowden...or Jim Tressel...WAS Penn State. Nobody blows him off, and nobody keeps him out of the loop. This was a serious accusation, and Joe Pa should have asked the follow-up question, or been given the explanation as to "what was done about it". He wasn't, he didn't, and one has to wonder why.

Why didn't Joe ask? Why wasn't he told? Why was nothing done?

And the big one...why did Sandusky still have full access to PSU, and kids?

That's the elephant in the room, and that's what the PSU Board of Trustees had to address. They did, and they did the right thing. All of the informed, and thus involved parties...including Joe Pa...had to go. Now.

It was the right decision, and if you're trying to do the right thing, it's the only decision. Everyone, and anyone, who knew anything about the allegations, and didn't demand answers, and justice...gone. Now.

Damn straight.

Here's my question to Lavar Arrington, Franco Harris, and all the other PSU football alums who are lining up in support of Joe Pa: What if your child was one of those who were sexually abused. Joe knew about it, and "told his bosses". And nobody else. Never followed up, and never notified the authorities.

You okay with that? Can you look your child in the face and say "Coach Paterno did what he thought was right."

Can you?

Perhaps you should have a face-to-face meeting with the parents of the children that were sexually abused (and there are far more than 15 of them, guaranteed), and explain to them why Joe Paterno should not be held responsible for his inexplicable decision to not demand answers from his "bosses"...or why he didn't do what any of us would do when presented with credible evidence that a child was being abused, and just find 3 numbers on a telephone.

9...1...1

The bottom line is that, in the biggest game of his career...with the safety of children on the line...Joe Pa committed the ultimate penalty.

Failure to Act.

That flag will never go away.

Go Vols, and God Bless the victims of Jerry Sandusky...and Penn State.
 
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pl3 said:
2 guys that happen to not believe in God see nothing wrong with ethics and morals in question.
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It's easy for them to have those kind of morals if they do not have anything to hold them accountable but thier own standards!
 
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Here is the easiest way to understand why Joe did the wrong thing, and should be held accountable for it:

Had it been Joe Pa's grandchild that the GA told Joe about, would Joe have done anything different?

Think about it...then defend him, if you can.

Go Vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Didn't bother reading the whole thread, so what I'm about to say here might be a repeat of other posts, but in any event, is my opinion and mine alone.....
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One of the most reasoned posts in this entire thread, and in 300 pages you will find some of the dumbest, most ignorant and venomous exchanges I've ever seen on a UT board. Shades of Gridscape!

In response to other posts above, you dont have to believe in god to know the difference in right and wrong, and there is nothing right about this entire situation.

Now, I have been crucified for not joining the lynch mob, and trying to articulate a different perspective, that doesnt mean I agree with anything that happened (I dont), and I think a number of people in this chain of reporting are guilty of negligence, if not downright obstruction, and that includes not only Penn State officials, but the president of Second Mile as well.

Its pretty damned obvious to any that can set their emotions aside for a moment and rationalize what happened beginning with the 1998 investigation, and I'll use some pop culture terminology so maybe everybody will understand.... it was all done to protect the Penn State brand, very simply and that is the sole motivation behind the actions of all parties involved, including the DA and local police.

Now, for all the "Paterno kidnapped the Lindbergh baby" crowd, you are all FOS! It is still unknown exactly who signed off on the Sandusky "retirement" package in 99, but you can bet your ass it wasn't Paterno. First of all, no football coach at any university has the authority to commit or contractually obligate a state university in this fashion. When you guys find a copy of that agreement, look on the signature page and see if you find Paterno's J.Hancock. You wont, there will be a signature of the school president and probably one more official, maybe the AD, but not JP's.

I'm sure you all missed the Anderson Cooper report late last, I cant find a link but anyway for all the complete morons that dont buy the theory that Paterno distanced himself from Sandusky beginning in 1999, read this CNN article, or get somebody that can read recite it for you.

Sex allegations darken once stellar career - CNN.com

Here are some highlights:
According to the grand jury report, one of the victims testified that Paterno summoned Sandusky to his office in May 1999 and "told Sandusky he would not be the next head coach at Penn State."

Sandusky told the victim "not to tell anyone," according to the report. Two months later, the defensive coordinator told reporters he was hanging it up at the end of the season.

Rumors swirled of some kind of rift between Paterno and his long-time assistant as the season progressed, according to the Centre Daily Times, the main newspaper in State College.

Ahead of his final game, Sandusky was asked if he'd miss Paterno.

"Not exactly," he said, according to a Sports Illustrated article. "You have to understand that so much of our time was spent under stress, figuring out how to win. That takes a toll."

Paterno hinted a few years later that Sandusky had been a cancer. "In staff meetings, it was getting to be 'We' and 'You' and it should be 'Us.' Jerry [Sandusky's] leaving gave me an opportunity to get that out of the way and do things I'm comfortable with," Paterno told the Centre Daily Times in January 2002.
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The reporter on CNN last night stated that Paterno attended the Sandusky retirement dinner and "made a few brief remarks then left abruptly." OK, case closed and Paterno washed his hands of the whole ugly thing and nobody can document any occasion since that date that Paterno has ever been seen in the company of Sandusky.

The decision was made to protect Penn State, 'm not saying Paterno agreed with that course of action, but he certainly went along with it to protect the school he loved and worked for 50 years. Have I lost anybody?

Fast forward to 2002 and everybody gets an OH SH_T wake up call. Professor Emeritus Sandusky is caught forcibly raping a 10 year old in the locker room, and ON CAMPUS....WTF??? It should be noted that everybody drug their feet beginning g with McQueary who waited a day to tell Paterno, who waited a day to tell Curley, who waited two weeks to conclude they would continue the coverup and simply take Sandusky's keys away, but still not denying him access to school facilities. Unbelievable right... yes, it is beyond comprehension.

At this point there are no telling how many people are involved in the coverup and conspiracy, including the cops, the DA, and now you can add the president of Second Mile who was informed about Sandusky's "inappropriate" behavior and also elected to do nothing. Apparently at this point, it was agreed to keep silent about the shower incident in order to protect the 1998 investigation and all the questions that would surface in light of this growing scandal..... well, we see why they took this course of action, because what they were trying to prevent is exactly what we have today. So, do I understand why they did what they did.... you bet. Do I agree with what they did..... no, but I'm not a university official, or the Chief of Police, or the former DA who is now missing and obviously murdered going back to 2005.

This whole thing smacks of a massive cover up by both the police, the DA, and in particular the university’s
administration and possibly the BOT. It also suggests bribes, blackmail, and most likely the murder of the DA Gricar as its unlikely the guy just disappeared in the midst of all this subterfuge. Its more likely he had
reopened his investigation and was about to blow the lid off the whole conspiracy. So, you can see the lengths that some people were willing to go to protect all parties involved.

More interesting current events are unfolding now with the reported rumor that Sandusky has been “pimping” young children to rich donors through the charitable organization Second Mile. Eight more victims have checked in with the State AG. I mean, just how deep does this thing go? And did PSU officials have any idea how expansive these tales of abuse were. By 2002, they were in too deep and is easy to see why they buried the whole thing and the best they could do was to pray that Sandusky would quietly go away and behave himself, but as GreyWolf says, sexual predators don't just stop.... and even though Sandusky had been exposed, he continued to use Second Mile as a playground with blatant regard to the consequences.

All of this sickens me, all of it. This is likely to become, without question, the biggest institutional scandal in my lifetime. Some idiot said SMU was worse but I have no idea what planet that guy is living on because nothing is worse than sexually abusing children. Rant over.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
It's easy for them to have those kind of morals if they do not have anything to hold them accountable but thier own standards!
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Show me a church, and I'll show you a scandal. Christianity and morality are not exclusive company. It ridiculous to think that just because you dont happen to believe in the Tooth Fairy, that you don't believe in dentists.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I've got a question for you, therealUt. You pretty routinely reference your military experience, which is admirable. Do you think it'd be just hilarious for people to post pictures of dead soldiers with little cartoon animations? I don't. I'm sure you would though. Right?
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I am gonna disagree with you on this one, there is nothing admirable about this guy. Scares me to think someone like him had anything to do with the military.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I've got a question for you, therealUt. You pretty routinely reference your military experience, which is admirable. Do you think it'd be just hilarious for people to post pictures of dead soldiers with little cartoon animations? I don't. I'm sure you would though. Right?
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I would have no problem with individuals posting humorous pictures regarding Soldiers who have committed crimes.

Like this:
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Oldvol75 said:
It's easy for them to have those kind of morals if they do not have anything to hold them accountable but thier own standards!
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Right, if one does not believe in the God who possesses the properties of the Judeo-Christian God then one does not believe in accountability. Keep that perspective up.
 
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And what crime did he commit?

Keeping his soldiers alive?

I can tell you, wearing the uniform doesnt make the man, its whats inside.

I admire you tRUT for serving this country, but that doesnt mean that you are morally superior to anyone else.

I've seen a lot of morally corrupt individuals in all sorts of uniforms.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
I am gonna disagree with you on this one, there is nothing admirable about this guy. Scares me to think someone like him had anything to do with the military.
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Would you rather have our military run by individuals who make conjectures based upon speculation and then search for evidence to support their conjectures? This is what got us into the Iraq has WMD mess.
 
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CountVolcula said:
And what crime did he commit?

Keeping his soldiers alive?

I can tell you, wearing the uniform doesnt make the man, its whats inside.

I admire you tRUT for serving this country, but that doesnt mean that you are morally superior to anyone else.

I've seen a lot of morally corrupt individuals in all sorts of uniforms.
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I am not morally superior. I do not know that I have ever claimed that; if that has been implied, then let me clarify: I very often do not live up to my moral standards.

West committed the crime of pistol-whipping an unarmed detainee. I see no reason to harm someone who is unarmed and is not posing a threat.

I am do not have a "means justify the ends" outlook on life. West, apparently, does. I find that reprehensible.
 
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therealUT said:
I would have no problem with individuals posting humorous pictures regarding Soldiers who have committed crimes.

Like this:
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I dont give a crap if you're making fun of Sandusky. But, the victims are what immediately comes to my mind when I see those pictures. That makes it completely not funny at all to me.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I dont give a crap if you're making fun of Sandusky. But, the victims are what immediately comes to my mind when I see those pictures. That makes it completely not funny at all to me.
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My intent is not to make fun of the victims; I act on intentions. You do not have to jump to the conclusion that my intention is to make fun of the victims.

Regardless, humor surrounding tragedies does not in any way affect said tragedies or cause more persons to be victimized.
 
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therealUT said:
I am not morally superior. I do not know that I have ever claimed that; if that has been implied, then let me clarify: I very often do not live up to my moral standards.

West committed the crime of pistol-whipping an unarmed detainee. I see no reason to harm someone who is unarmed and is not posing a threat.

I am do not have a "means justify the ends" outlook on life. West, apparently, does. I find that reprehensible.
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No, you would rather protect a piece of **** that would as soon chop off your ****ing head than protect the lives of American soldiers

I admire the man for doing what it took to save his men from being ambushed. If it takes knocking the **** out of a terrorist , then so be it.
 
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CountVolcula said:
No, you would rather protect a piece of **** that would as soon chop off your ****ing head than protect the lives of American soldiers

I admire the man for doing what it took to save his men from being ambushed. If it takes knocking the **** out of a terrorist , then so be it.
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American Soldiers are no more or less valuable than any other human beings.
 
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