Penn State scandal (merged)

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utvolpj said:
saw that earlier today and hove no clue how that's legal. Also blows away the Paterno disassociated himself from JS theory
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How does this blow it away? One can speculate that he was knowingly sent out to recruit by Paterno and staff; just as well, one can speculate that Sandusky did it because he wants good players to play for his Alma Mater, the program he previously worked for, and the university that had granted him emeritus status.

If I talk someone into joining the Army, I have recruited them; yet, I can do so without the Army ever knowing I was involved.
 
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therealUT said:
How does this blow it away? One can speculate that he was knowingly sent out to recruit by Paterno and staff; just as well, one can speculate that Sandusky did it because he wants good players to play for his Alma Mater, the program he previously worked for, and the university that had granted him emeritus status.

If I talk someone into joining the Army, I have recruited them; yet, I can do so without the Army ever knowing I was involved.
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Wow, what a dumb*ss!!! 11B1V
 
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therealUT said:
How does this blow it away? One can speculate that he was knowingly sent out to recruit by Paterno and staff; just as well, one can speculate that Sandusky did it because he wants good players to play for his Alma Mater, the program he previously worked for, and the university that had granted him emeritus status.

If I talk someone into joining the Army, I have recruited them; yet, I can do so without the Army ever knowing I was involved.
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So, at minimum he's now a "rogue booster" and the NCAA has an avenue to get involved now as well?
 
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utvolpj said:
it's not a possibility it's a pretty clear violation
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If he was directed by Paterno's staff to do this, then it is not necessarily an NCAA violation; yet, it is possibly reprehensible, on the part of Paterno.

If he was not directed, then it is an NCAA violation.
 
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therealUT said:
If he was directed by Paterno's staff to do this, then it is not necessarily an NCAA violation; yet, it is possibly reprehensible, on the part of Paterno.

If he was not directed, then it is an NCAA violation.
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Huh?

I'm pretty sure the NCAA would rule that he was acting as an agent of the university in either instance. If it was directed in some manner by Paterno and/or staff, the screams lack of institutional control to me.
 
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Unless he was trying to get an AA investigation on a recruiting scandal, Im not sure why he would go. Directed or not.
 
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Domestic Silence said:
How does everyone feel about Penn State playing today? Interested to hear your thoughts.
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I had no problem with them playing. There are no perfect answers in this situation. The game is supposed to be about the players, and they're just bystanders in this whole mess. If you don't play the game, how is that fair to them? You don't play the game, and aside from presenting a facade of "football is not bigger than the university", does this really do anything to help the victims? Salve the wounds? Not really, IMO.

IMO, what Penn State "could" have done was donate all of the proceeds from the game into a fund to support programs that prevent and/or educate in all forms of child abuse.
 
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it was turned into a celebration of Paterno, a guy who helped cover up child abuse by one of his staff/friends, and I'm glad they lost
 
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Regulator said:
I had no problem with them playing. There are no perfect answers in this situation. The game is supposed to be about the players, and they're just bystanders in this whole mess. If you don't play the game, how is that fair to them? You don't play the game, and aside from presenting a facade of "football is not bigger than the university", does this really do anything to help the victims? Salve the wounds? Not really, IMO.

IMO, what Penn State "could" have done was donate all of the proceeds from the game into a fund to support programs that prevent and/or educate in all forms of child abuse.
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I think not playing the game could have shown some class towards the victims, instead of people supporting the University that as a whole covered up a lot of this.

I know the players had nothing to do with it, and it wouldn't have been fair to them, but sometimes life is hard and you have to bite the bullet. If they would have been pissed about it, blame the University.

GAVol said:
Doesn't really bother me. The players didn't do anything wrong. Not playing the game doesn't really help the victims.
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I think it would help the victims, just to show some sort of good faith. Then again, jmo.

utvolpj said:
it was turned into a celebration of Paterno, a guy who helped cover up child abuse by one of his staff/friends, and I'm glad they lost
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This. Everyone knew it would happen, and will continue to happen. Everyone involved isn't worried about the victims, they are crying about JoePa. It's ignorant and sickening.
 
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Domestic Silence said:
I think not playing the game could have shown some class towards the victims, instead of people supporting the University that as a whole covered up a lot of this.

I know the players had nothing to do with it, and it wouldn't have been fair to them, but sometimes life is hard and you have to bite the bullet. If they would have been pissed about it, blame the University.



I think it would help the victims, just to show some sort of good faith. Then again, jmo.



This. Everyone knew it would happen, and will continue to happen. Everyone involved isn't worried about the victims, they are crying about JoePa. It's ignorant and sickening.
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I get what you are saying, but the "whole" that covered things up was limited to a handful of men in the football program and within the athletics department.

I believe I read that there are 95,000 some students on the PSU campus. Take all of them, plus all other staff/faculty not allegedly involved and that's a lot of people that had zero to do with it.

I do strongly believe that any pre or post-game activities that would have lauded Paterno (such as the rumor of taking the game ball to his residence in the event of a win) would have been extremely misguided.

Then again, "misguided" could be applied to most all facets of how PSU has handled things to this point.
 
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Regulator said:
I get what you are saying, but the "whole" that covered things up was limited to a handful of men in the football program and within the athletics department.

I believe I read that there are 95,000 some students on the PSU campus. Take all of them, plus all other staff/faculty not allegedly involved and that's a lot of people that had zero to do with it.

I do strongly believe that any pre or post-game activities that would have lauded Paterno (such as the rumor of taking the game ball to his residence in the event of a win) would have been extremely misguided.

Then again, "misguided" could be applied to most all facets of how PSU has handled things to this point.
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Agreed. It's a tough decision and isn't an easy one...there probably isn't a right answer either way.
 
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There was a time, not all that long ago, when the mobs on the PSU campus would have been going after Sandusky, and anyone else who knew about this tragedy...including Paterno.

Instead, they riot in support of Joe Pa...Sandusky is a free man at the moment...and all we heard about yesterday was "How will the Penn State team react?".

It's a sign, and a damning one at that, of the moral decay that has infested our nation.

Hey, it's Saturday...forget about the victims...let's take the game ball to Joe Pa if we win.

Personally, I could not care any less about the team...Paterno...or anything to do with PSU football.

There was no reason to not play the game. No matter what PSU did, it would be the right thing to do, and the wrong thing to do. By playing the game, PSU opened the door to both spontaneous and planned "celebrations" for Joe Pa. I don't fault PSU for that; I fault the thousands of PSU fans who are completely blind to the fact that Joe Pa knew something was wrong...very wrong...about Sandusky, and simply passed the issue upstairs to his "superiors".

It's going to take a long time for this horrible scene to play out. I have a feeling that as it does, the facts will reveal that Joe knew a lot more than he has let on. An 85 year old icon does not retain a high-dollar criminal defense attorney when all they have to worry about is civil litigation. Joe can say what he wants, but actions speak much louder than words.

I also find it damnable that Joe tried to head off the PSU BoT by releasing a letter that he intended to retire at the end of the season, and that "the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status....I want to make this as easy for them as possible."

Right...here's a thought: If you wanted to make it easy on the BoT, maybe you should have told them about it back in 2002.

Not to mention how many innocent kids that might have saved from the ongoing and repeated sexual abuse by Sandusky.

Just a thought there, Joe.

Maybe we should add a blindfold and ear muffs to Joe's statue in Happy Valley. After all, that would most accurately reflect what he really did for PSU...and what he will always be remembered for.

Go Vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
There was no reason to not play the game. No matter what PSU did, it would be the right thing to do, and the wrong thing to do. By playing the game, PSU opened the door to both spontaneous and planned "celebrations" for Joe Pa. I don't fault PSU for that; I fault the thousands of PSU fans who are completely blind to the fact that Joe Pa knew something was wrong...very wrong...about Sandusky, and simply passed the issue upstairs to his "superiors".


Go Vols.
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This may determine the future of PSU football. I have no problem with PSU playing out the season-but if they(fans, etc.) are not smart and act like business as ususal, the BOT may hve to look at future seasons. Said another way, if the attention continues to be on poor Joe Pa, the BOT will have to get peoples attention. I am ok with that-yank the program for 2 years.

Go Vols
 
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milohimself said:
Again, there is the possibility out there he may have been in breach of contract had he gone straight to the police. Now, not sure of that, and even if true, JoePa has the kind of stature that he can piss on a contract and get away with it.

Bottom line is, I'm much, much more upset with the AD than I am with JoePa here.
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Contract be damned........sue me for doing the right thing.
 
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Regulator said:
So, at minimum he's now a "rogue booster" and the NCAA has an avenue to get involved now as well?
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I'm sure PSU's really worried about the NCAA at the moment...
The NCAA would be the least of my woriies, given their recent rulings against USC, OSU, and Auburn..THe NCAA is a joke
 
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From this article:


The tragedy of Penn State Nittany Lions coach Joe Paterno - ESPN


Some highlights.

"Joe is -- was -- in absolute control of Penn State athletics," says a former BCS conference official who had a long working relationship with Paterno. "There's no question about it."

Says another BCS conference administrator: "Joe's got a dark side. He's not always that witty old man. Joe can be very, very tough. He's very smart."

The more phone calls you make to those who know Paterno, who have worked with Paterno and who have socialized with Paterno, the more you realize he isn't simply the smiling cardboard cutout figure that the riotous crowds in downtown State College used as a symbol of their unrest.

The descriptions from one administrator: "Fabulous and horrendous" … "Surreptitious" … "Self-absorbed" … "Calculating" … "Protective of everything he's done."

JoePa is three-dimensional, capable of extraordinary acts of kindness and charity, as well as extraordinary acts of backroom politics. But he isn't who we thought he was. If he were, he would have called the police nine years ago when first alerted to the alleged misconduct of former Nittany Lions assistant coach and friend Jerry Sandusky.


Among many of his peers, Paterno is respected, admired, even beloved. His Penn State program was a model for academic achievement and NCAA compliance. But he also has been known to treat Penn State and even conference administrators with a strong verbal disdain at times. And never has he been afraid to use his considerable clout.

According to those who were directly involved in the interview process, it was Paterno who chose Tim Curley to become PSU's athletic director in 1993.

"Joe wanted to pick his man and Joe did," says a person with firsthand knowledge of the interviews.


Why didn't Paterno contact the police when first informed in 2002 by then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary of an alleged locker room incident involving Sandusky and a young boy?

Why did Paterno heir apparent Sandusky unexpectedly resign from Penn State in 1999?

Why was Sandusky granted special access to the Penn State athletic facilities even after the 2002 incident?

Why did all of this remain secret for so long?

"Joe doesn't know why [Sandusky] resigned?" says a former athletic director at a rival institution. "Bull----. That was the first cover-up. … In '99, when Sandusky resigns, you think this coaching staff didn't know what was going on?

"In 2002, this could have been a two-day story: 'Ex-Penn State assistant coach is arrested.' I'm not saying it wouldn't have been a painful story, but it would have been dealt with. But there's so much arrogance to think they can keep it a secret. And it starts with Joe … Monumental ego and arrogance."


Forget the senility defense. Those who argue that Paterno was too old, too out of touch to truly understand what he had been told by McQueary years ago -- they need a new tactic. Because you can't have it both ways. You can't plead senility, but at the same time insist that an injustice has been done by forcing out an 84-year-old Paterno from overseeing one of the most storied and valuable football programs in the country. Either he's a semi-lucid old man or he's a capable, vibrant CEO of the Nittany Lions football brand.

"Everything that he thought was back in his grasp, it's gone," says Ronnick. "It's gone. This is his end.

Ok, so more than a few highlights...
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
From this article:


The tragedy of Penn State Nittany Lions coach Joe Paterno - ESPN


Some highlights.

"Joe is -- was -- in absolute control of Penn State athletics," says a former BCS conference official who had a long working relationship with Paterno. "There's no question about it."

Says another BCS conference administrator: "Joe's got a dark side. He's not always that witty old man. Joe can be very, very tough. He's very smart."

The more phone calls you make to those who know Paterno, who have worked with Paterno and who have socialized with Paterno, the more you realize he isn't simply the smiling cardboard cutout figure that the riotous crowds in downtown State College used as a symbol of their unrest.

The descriptions from one administrator: "Fabulous and horrendous" … "Surreptitious" … "Self-absorbed" … "Calculating" … "Protective of everything he's done."

JoePa is three-dimensional, capable of extraordinary acts of kindness and charity, as well as extraordinary acts of backroom politics. But he isn't who we thought he was. If he were, he would have called the police nine years ago when first alerted to the alleged misconduct of former Nittany Lions assistant coach and friend Jerry Sandusky.


Among many of his peers, Paterno is respected, admired, even beloved. His Penn State program was a model for academic achievement and NCAA compliance. But he also has been known to treat Penn State and even conference administrators with a strong verbal disdain at times. And never has he been afraid to use his considerable clout.

According to those who were directly involved in the interview process, it was Paterno who chose Tim Curley to become PSU's athletic director in 1993.

"Joe wanted to pick his man and Joe did," says a person with firsthand knowledge of the interviews.


Why didn't Paterno contact the police when first informed in 2002 by then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary of an alleged locker room incident involving Sandusky and a young boy?

Why did Paterno heir apparent Sandusky unexpectedly resign from Penn State in 1999?

Why was Sandusky granted special access to the Penn State athletic facilities even after the 2002 incident?

Why did all of this remain secret for so long?

"Joe doesn't know why [Sandusky] resigned?" says a former athletic director at a rival institution. "Bull----. That was the first cover-up. … In '99, when Sandusky resigns, you think this coaching staff didn't know what was going on?

"In 2002, this could have been a two-day story: 'Ex-Penn State assistant coach is arrested.' I'm not saying it wouldn't have been a painful story, but it would have been dealt with. But there's so much arrogance to think they can keep it a secret. And it starts with Joe … Monumental ego and arrogance."


Forget the senility defense. Those who argue that Paterno was too old, too out of touch to truly understand what he had been told by McQueary years ago -- they need a new tactic. Because you can't have it both ways. You can't plead senility, but at the same time insist that an injustice has been done by forcing out an 84-year-old Paterno from overseeing one of the most storied and valuable football programs in the country. Either he's a semi-lucid old man or he's a capable, vibrant CEO of the Nittany Lions football brand.

"Everything that he thought was back in his grasp, it's gone," says Ronnick. "It's gone. This is his end.

Ok, so more than a few highlights...
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That flies in the face of a few that have posted in this thread! I like that it does!
 
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