Penn State scandal (merged)

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BigPapaVol said:
generally means that all those defending Paterno by touting the "he might not have known" line were dead wrong. This wasn't isolated and there is no way that these couple of guys didn't ask Paterno.
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They all knew. Paterno wanted to keep everything in house and they all catered to his desires--even fired a Dean of Students who took him on. They covered up so much stuff over the years--robberies, assaults, etc. and just let Paterno give out punishments. I would imagine most of what he was able to keep under wraps would have wrecked almost any other program. He even admitted that there were plenty of recruiting violations and disciplinary infractions before the days of the internet that he wouldn't have survived.

We are Penn State...right.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
generally means that all those defending Paterno by touting the "he might not have known" line were dead wrong. This wasn't isolated and there is no way that these couple of guys didn't ask Paterno.
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I find it funny that the reasoning behind it was to be "humane" to Sandusky.

BS! It was to protect their image and the football programs image

They could care less about Sandusky
 
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I have always despised PSU (every single person I have ever met that has anything to do with that place is a pompous jerk). Now I have a better excuse to hate them. They will never recover from this one.
 
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I will be intrested to see what happens to their football program after this. It will be hard for them to recover from this one period. As a university and a football program.
 
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Is Penn State worse than the Catholic Church?

The CC has a long history of covering up child rape cases by their so called priest.
 
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Gramps said:
Is Penn State worse than the Catholic Church?

The CC has a long history of covering up child rape cases by their so called priest.
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Gramps said:
Is Penn State worse than the Catholic Church?

The CC has a long history of covering up child rape cases by their so called priest.
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nm the many Catholics on this board you just offended.
They dont have a long history of covering it up considering they are 2000 years old. From the early 80's to 2002 is not a long history.

im not proud of what they did but there are more public school teachers violating children than "so called priests".

In my book they are both criminals and were both very unfortunate events and both should spend the rest of there lives in prison
 
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velovol said:
nm the many Catholics on this board you just offended.
They dont have a long history of covering it up considering they are 2000 years old. From the early 80's to 2002 is not a long history.

im not proud of what they did but there are more public school teachers violating children than "so called priests".

In my book they are both criminals and were both very unfortunate events and both should spend the rest of there lives in prison
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you seriously believe the cover ups started in the 80s?
 
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velovol said:
nm the many Catholics on this board you just offended.
They dont have a long history of covering it up considering they are 2000 years old. From the early 80's to 2002 is not a long history.

im not proud of what they did but there are more public school teachers violating children than "so called priests".

In my book they are both criminals and were both very unfortunate events and both should spend the rest of there lives in prison
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If you are offended it is your own fault. Also, you are in desperate need of a history lesson.
 
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velovol said:
nm the many Catholics on this board you just offended.
They dont have a long history of covering it up considering they are 2000 years old. From the early 80's to 2002 is not a long history.

im not proud of what they did but there are more public school teachers violating children than "so called priests".

In my book they are both criminals and were both very unfortunate events and both should spend the rest of there lives in prison
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The Catholics should be offended at the leadership of the church covering up these actions.

You need to do a little research if you think the CC has only been covering up this action since the 1980's.

It is a disgrace that any organization, especially a religious one would try to cover this type action up.

The leadership should kick these priest out of the church and make sure each and every one was charged and tried in a court of law.

This link is a good example of the way the CC has handled these cases over the years.
Read the article it is distrubing.

This is only one example, there are plenty more.


Priests Accused of Molesting Children Hiding in Plain Sight | NBC Los Angeles

Some 200 Catholic priests suspected of sexual abuse are living undetected in communities across California, according to an attorney who represents hundreds of plaintiffs who sued the LA Archdiocese for molestation they say was inflicted on them by priests and clergy of the church

In 2007 the LA Archdiocese reached an unprecedented $660 million settlement with many of the plaintiffs without admitting any wrong-doing.

It also agreed to let the courts decide which of the case-related church files should be made public, including those identifying alleged and admitted predators


But according to Boucher and court documents, the Catholic Church has since engaged in a cover-up. By Boucher’s account, Church officials allowed priests suspected of sexually abusing children to retire, flee the country or hide in rehab clinics until the statute of limitations on prosecution ran out.

“What the church did is take these guys and send them off to facilities where they treat pedophile priests without ever alerting police,” Boucher said. “By enabling these priests to be hidden for so many years the church protected them from being prosecuted.”

Meanwhile legal disputes delayed the release of the promised personnel files, and Donald Steir, an attorney for several priests, went to court to argue that those who’ve been accused but no convicted should have their names and privacy protected.

“They are being punished as if they have been convicted, or at least that’s the desire – to punish them,” Steir said. “That’s not fair.”

“It’s difficult if you represent an alleged terrorist or a pedophile, because people don’t really care about the rights [including privacy rights] for these type of people,” Steir said. “But once we erode the rights of a group of people we don’t like, we effectively have started down a path where other people’s rights can be similarly denied.”

The courts, expressing concern for children, overruled most of these arguments and similar ones by the Archdiocese, which declined to comment for this story.

And a judge has ordered release of some personnel files, set for some time in the coming weeks. But he also credited the church for its increased sensitivity in dealing with molestation cases and decided to withhold the names of church officials who handled the earlier cases.

It is a ruling that reminds Boucher of the breakdown in accountability in the Penn state pedophile scandal.
“Look at Penn State and see how important and significant it is when people in authority enable sexual abusers to continue,” Boucher said. “That underscores how significant it is to get these names out.”

Under the judge’s ruling the church can also keep secret, subject to further court review, the names of priests who have not been convicted and who have only one or two allegations against them or have allegations disputed by the church.

To Smith that seems like a formula for further cover-up by church officials.

“If their interests were to protect the kids, they would have released the documents,” Smith said. “As a parent not knowing who your neighbor is -- that is really scary.”
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velovol said:
nm the many Catholics on this board you just offended.
They dont have a long history of covering it up considering they are 2000 years old. From the early 80's to 2002 is not a long history.

im not proud of what they did but there are more public school teachers violating children than "so called priests".

In my book they are both criminals and were both very unfortunate events and both should spend the rest of there lives in prison
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History major?
 
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Getting it back down to the bare bones of things, without all the elevated philosophizing... How do people like this monster get away with things on a day-to-day level?

Note: there is a professor at Penn State with the same name as the author of this article.

The Sandusky wives see no evil - SFGate

We all tell little lies to ourselves get us through the rough patches. "This job isn't all that bad." "Once the wedding's over, I won't have to see his parents very often." "I can get another week or two out of this haircut." Eventually, though, the truth wears away at our denial. Either that or a true friend breaks the news that "Honey, you're getting fat."

But what kinds of whoppers must women like Dottie "Sarge" Sandusky tell themselves in order to live under the same roof - let alone sleep in the same bed - with a serial child molester? I think of the shape and size of my adult body in contrast to how I was built as a 10-year-old and tremble as I think about what kinds of sounds must have come out of that basement. I can't imagine mistaking those shrieks for any normal household sounds. And yet Sarge didn't hear anything unusual.

From news accounts of her testimony, it would appear that the Sanduskys followed "traditional" (i.e., Eisenhower-era) sex roles, with him earning the money and her taking care of the house. So I have to wonder, what must those sheets have looked like? What kinds of details must she have come across - and not allowed herself to perceive as unusual - over the past 20 years?

Full disclosure: My mother was - and continues to be - one of those women (and I assume there must be some men out there, too) willing to put herself and her family through whatever machinations are necessary in order to believe she isn't married to a monster. And yes, that means that I was part of the growing army of kids whose physical safety and lifelong mental health was sacrificed for what I'm sure is a very complex web of reasons.

And like Sarge Sandusky, my mother had help. Maybe she didn't have the coaching staff of the Penn State football team and most of the institution's senior administration, but there were confederates. First, of course, was our family pediatrician. Then there was the second pediatrician who was called in to find out what was wrong with me. After him there were the social worker, the psychologist and the child psychiatrist. A few years later, her team was joined by the entire staff of the mental hospital where I spent a very lovely Christmas vacation in 1977 and the family therapist who sat and nodded while my father categorically denied every accusation.

On those rare occasions when I feel compassion for my mother, I understand, intellectually at least, that she came from a world where women weren't valued except as accessories to their men. Stir in the fact that she was orphaned at 3 and struggled in school, and what you have is someone who feels very powerless. Every dime she had to spend came from my father; it wasn't until her adoptive mother died that she had her own money, and by that point I was in college. How on earth would she be able to take care of herself - let alone five children - by herself? She had very real reasons for not being able to see what was right in front of her.

"If I believed your father was capable of such a thing," my friend's mother once said to her at the first suggestion of abuse, "I'd have to leave him." The second half of the sentence, the unspoken subordinate clause, is: "and of course that's out of the question, so it can't be true." How many lives have been destroyed by such thinking?

Today, I'm nearly 50 years old and I still gag every time I put a toothbrush in my mouth. I take a fistful of antidepressants every day and I have such long and frequent bouts of insomnia that I can't hold a regular job. My mother's sleep pattern, like Dottie Sandusky's hearing, is "just fine."

Dottie Sandusky had a lot to lose when she chose - on some level of consciousness - to ignore whatever signs she was faced of the atrocities being committed by her husband. I imagine it must have been easier for her to allow what happened to those kids because they weren't her own flesh and blood; I know it's a lot easier for me to want her to burn in the deepest pits of hell because she isn't my own mother.

Christopher Norbury is a survivor of childhood sexual abuse.
 
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Thanks for sharing your story.


I cannot imagine having to go through what you did.


may God bless you.
 
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I'm sorry to read about your story. You are not alone. My wife was physically abused as a young child by one of her grandfathers. She is sure that her grandmother knew what was going on but did nothing to stop or prevent it. She struggles with it to this day (40 yrs later). I also can't understand the mentality of protecting the abuser.
 
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