Penn State scandal (merged)

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TrueOrange said:
That I'd agree with, mainly the point that it needs to come from them...and there's such a spotlight on them I can't see how they'd choose not to in the coming months.
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Hopefully they will self impose. But if not, the NCAA needs to step in and impose. They covered up so the football program would not be tarnished, to keep the football program strong. That is an NCAA violation. Football is just a game, the school hid crimes for the betterment of the football program and those crimes, besides death, are the most atrocious kind. Yes the NCAA needs to send a message that they will not tolerate this again.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
Hopefully they will self impose. But if not, the NCAA needs to step in and impose. They covered up so the football program would not be tarnished, to keep the football program strong. That is an NCAA violation. Football is just a game, the school hid crimes for the betterment of the football program and those crimes, besides death, are the most atrocious kind. Yes the NCAA needs to send a message that they will not tolerate this again.
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Totally agree, this is an opportunity to tell all Universities that life is more important than protecting the integrity of a sports program.

Death Penalty has never been more appropriate IMO
 
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I would be shocked if $1 million dollars is all they get. Each of these kids will get somewhere around $10 million atleast. Something so blatant with so much evidence has Penn St at the mercy of these lawyers.
 
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orangesparkles said:
Donating money to child abuse awareness and prevention organizations is a much better choice than writing a blank check to the victim of a monster. No amount of money can undo what they went through, and giving an excessively large sum of money to the victims as compensation seems both unnecessary and unfair to the countless other victims of molestation who didn't have their abuse covered up by a gigantic university.
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Then why give them any money? Why 1 million? Why not $500,000 or 2 mil? You placed a value on a child's sanctity not me. And I agree $ should be given to appropriate child protection groups. But I have ZERO issues with those victims being paid enough to never have to worry about $ the rest of their lives. I guarantee you they'd rather have their innocence over the $.
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knucklehead_vol said:
Hopefully they will self impose. But if not, the NCAA needs to step in and impose. They covered up so the football program would not be tarnished, to keep the football program strong. That is an NCAA violation. Football is just a game, the school hid crimes for the betterment of the football program and those crimes, besides death, are the most atrocious kind. Yes the NCAA needs to send a message that they will not tolerate this again.
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No, it isn't. It's much worse than any NCAA rule could possibly deal with.

It did not give PSU a competitive advantage. You could argue that their football program might have suffered if they'd chosen to act, but that's not the same as seeking a leg up by paying a player or allowing agents to run wild. The reality is that PSU will now suffer whatever effect the bad pub would have had back in '01, maybe even worse since the coverup added to the cesspool.

But because of the coverup, the natural effects of bad press aren't enough; I'm sure you'd agree. But that doesn't mean that any of it is an NCAA violation.
 
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Can someone explain to me if this falls under LOIC and if not why? This is far worse then any money exchange ever. I use to see Paterno as a great coach. I do not see him in this way anymore. I think he is disgusting and should be stripped of any and everything he has ever accomplished.
He should not have a statue anywhere. Many others I have talked to feel this way as well. This is an EPIC fail of University leaders to protect it's students, and citizens of the community as a whole. It was covered up by the Hi Archy of PSU.
It happened within the atheletic facilities and was done by an Employee of the University and Covered up by the Institution and it's so called HOF coach. So someone explain why the NCAA isn't crucifying this program. It is probably the most deserving of everything that has gone on in CFB. Even the Bammers.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Then why give them any money? Why 1 million? Why not $500,000 or 2 mil? You placed a value on a child's sanctity not me. And I agree $ should be given to appropriate child protection groups. But I have ZERO issues with those victims being paid enough to never have to worry about $ the rest of their lives. I guarantee you they'd rather have their innocence over the $.
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I personally don't think Penn State owes the kids a dime, but that would be bad business for the school. $1 million is an appropriate tribute from the school itself for the wrongdoing.

Edit: That sounds overly callous, but I just don't think giving money to the victims is the most important responsibility for Penn State right now. Deal with the issue to make sure it never again happens at your school and try to prevent the same thing from occurring elsewhere.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm not suggesting that the NCAA couldn't stretch their rulebook to make it apply to this situation. But it would set a dangerous precedent, and I hope they show the appropriate restraint and stay out of it.

It should be up to Penn State to do the right thing here. If that includes disbanding their football program, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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I'm perfectly comfortable with the NCAA setting a precedent that a football program that purposefully conceals major crimes in order to protect themselves can suffer major football-related sanctions for it.
 
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orangesparkles said:
I personally don't think Penn State owes the kids a dime, but that would be bad business for the school. $1 million is an appropriate tribute from the school itself for the wrongdoing.
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You guys are crazy. A church recently lost a lawsuit to a woman for $27 million dollars because the court deemed that the church did not do enough to stop the sexual abuse. These kids are going to get astronomical amounts of money.
 
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I was reading the reaction over at a Penn State blog. Some of them are in serious denial. They want to claim that JoePa didn't know but just a little bit of what happened.

Sorry, a little bit is all you need to know before you get to the bottom of it and root it out of your program. JoePa is a despicable person for not doing so and is just as culpable as the rest of them.
 
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orangesparkles said:
I personally don't think Penn State owes the kids a dime, but that would be bad business for the school. $1 million is an appropriate tribute from the school itself for the wrongdoing.

Edit: That sounds overly callous, but I just don't think giving money to the victims is the most important responsibility for Penn State right now. Deal with the issue to make sure it never again happens at your school and try to prevent the same thing from occurring elsewhere.
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The president, VP and other high ranking leaders of PSU covered up for a predator for at least 14 years. Because of that other children were raped. I don't give a damn! PSU is responsible. Period.
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Vercingetorix said:
I'm perfectly comfortable with the NCAA setting a precedent that a football program that purposefully conceals major crimes in order to protect themselves can suffer major football-related sanctions for it.
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I would agree with you but for the fact that there is no way to draw a fine line between when the NCAA should get involved and when it shouldn't. The NCAA is already completely arbitrary in its enforcement, this would just be begging for inconsistent application.
 
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The NCAA might disagree with you. The rule book has a section on Ethics which seems rather valid in this situation to me. And if this isn't "Lack of Institutional Control"....then I don't know what is...



bamawriter said:
No, it isn't. It's much worse than any NCAA rule could possibly deal with.

It did not give PSU a competitive advantage. You could argue that their football program might have suffered if they'd chosen to act, but that's not the same as seeking a leg up by paying a player or allowing agents to run wild. The reality is that PSU will now suffer whatever effect the bad pub would have had back in '01, maybe even worse since the coverup added to the cesspool.

But because of the coverup, the natural effects of bad press aren't enough; I'm sure you'd agree. But that doesn't mean that any of it is an NCAA violation.
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bamawriter said:
I would agree with you but for the fact that there is no way to draw a fine line between when the NCAA should get involved and when it shouldn't. The NCAA is already completely arbitrary in its enforcement, this would just be begging for inconsistent application.
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Was looking for a good way to say that
 
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Gunga Galunga said:
The NCAA might disagree with you. The rule book has a section on Ethics which seems rather valid in this situation to me. And if this isn't "Lack of Institutional Control"....then I don't know what is...
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You are misunderstanding. I haven't made the argument that the NCAA can't act, only that they shouldn't.

Penn State absolutely should fall on its sword so that the NCAA doesn't even have to consider whether or not to act.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I'm perfectly comfortable with the NCAA setting a precedent that a football program that purposefully conceals major crimes in order to protect themselves can suffer major football-related sanctions for it.
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Yes

It needs to be made known that Football is not more important than protecting kids
PSU wanted to protect themselves more than the victims. They are as guilty as the sick SOB Sandusky
 
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Articles 2.4 of the NCAA by laws: For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of
higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program. It is the responsibility of each institution to:
(a) Establish policies for sportsmanship and ethical conduct in intercollegiate athletics consistent with the educational mission and goals of the institution; and (Adopted: 1/9/96)

If PSU does not self impose at least a two year ban, the NCAA should banish their program to rec league status for eternity.

This is not a slippery slope type argument here. They were hiding a child predator within the AD and abetting continued child rapes just so the program and Paterno's legacy would not be tarnished.
 
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