Penn State scandal (merged)

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#126
DrunkJohnny said:
Did anyone ever confront Sandusky?
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dreVol said:
Is there any indication that he confronted Sandusky? In a situation like this, I think willful ignorance is just as bad.
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I do not know whether Paterno confronted Sandusky. I have a strong feeling that even if he did, Sandusky would have denied the allegations.

I would not call Paterno's action "willful ignorance". He took what could have amounted to no more than a rumor and reported it to his boss. Maybe Paterno also knows himself well enough that he would never be able to conduct any kind of objective inquiry into the matter due to his long-standing relationship with Sandusky. There were occasions when I had to recuse myself from investigations because they involved my former platoon and there was a conflict of interest because the Platoon Sergeant had been and still was a good friend of mine.

If Paterno had been an eyewitness to the event, then I would be rattling the same saber as everyone else; however, to receive unsubstantiated information from a GA regarding a long-term and trusted associate puts one into a very complex situation. Paterno at least had the gumption to report it up the chain.
 
#127
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PuntBamaPunt said:
Guy is facing 40 counts and counting. Maybe if they had bothered to investigate when the "rumor" occurred this would already been closed. It's highly likely more kids were assaulted due to their lack of follow up.


So does Joe quit coaching and put on his Sherlock Holmes hat?
Everyone from the GA up should be charged.



JoePa is State U. He is the boss.
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Bullsh!t.
 
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#131
its a pretty simple case of failure to supervise. Blaming the GA is weak. He told his supervisors of a possible on campus crime. The fact that they did not report it or do anything with the info is not the fault of the GA
 
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#132
#132
therealUT said:
I do not know whether Paterno confronted Sandusky. I have a strong feeling that even if he did, Sandusky would have denied the allegations.

I would not call Paterno's action "willful ignorance". He took what could have amounted to no more than a rumor and reported it to his boss. Maybe Paterno also knows himself well enough that he would never be able to conduct any kind of objective inquiry into the matter due to his long-standing relationship with Sandusky. There were occasions when I had to recuse myself from investigations because they involved my former platoon and there was a conflict of interest because the Platoon Sergeant had been and still was a good friend of mine.

If Paterno had been an eyewitness to the event, then I would be rattling the same saber as everyone else; however, to receive unsubstantiated information from a GA regarding a long-term and trusted associate puts one into a very complex situation. Paterno at least had the gumption to report it up the chain.
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I understand what you're saying. However, if I were in JoePa's shoes and a GA told me that my longtime coach and friend was inappropriately fondling a child in the locker room shower, then at the very least I would have asked my coach what the hell was going on (ie, why a GA is telling me that the coach is sodomizing a kid inthe shower). Such a serious accusation against a trusted associate warrants that limited diligence.
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therealUT said:
I do not know whether Paterno confronted Sandusky. I have a strong feeling that even if he did, Sandusky would have denied the allegations.

I would not call Paterno's action "willful ignorance". He took what could have amounted to no more than a rumor and reported it to his boss. Maybe Paterno also knows himself well enough that he would never be able to conduct any kind of objective inquiry into the matter due to his long-standing relationship with Sandusky. There were occasions when I had to recuse myself from investigations because they involved my former platoon and there was a conflict of interest because the Platoon Sergeant had been and still was a good friend of mine.

If Paterno had been an eyewitness to the event, then I would be rattling the same saber as everyone else; however, to receive unsubstantiated information from a GA regarding a long-term and trusted associate puts one into a very complex situation. Paterno at least had the gumption to report it up the chain.
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It's hard to give him a pass, man. At the very least, he should have banned him from the facilities until the investigation was complete.

If a subordinate of mine would have come to me with this info, I wouldn't have gone up the corporate ladder. I would have dialed 911 and been done with it. Period.

My job be damned.
 
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#135
TXVOL07 said:
1. Not at all, but false accusations, especially of this nature, are quite costly in counter suits.

2. If you think so, I'm good with that actually.
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I think paid administrative leave while the allegations are investigated would have been sufficient.
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#136
TXVOL07 said:
1. Not at all, but false accusations, especially of this nature, are quite costly in counter suits.

2. If you think so, I'm good with that actually.
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So if you witnessed a grown man sodomizing a young boy, you'd rather not report it for fear of being sued?
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#137
And most pervs are honest right? I mean, if he told Joe, all this is over from there right?

We're talking about a perv here. Not exactly the top tier class of people. And beside that, its irrelevant. Hearsay at best unless the guy is brought in for questioning by authorities. Which again, is not Paterno's responsibility.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
So if you witnessed a grown man sodomizing a young boy, you'd rather not report it for fear of being sued?
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No, if I witnessed it, after I finished whipping his ass, I'd report it.

Joe did not see any of this. He heard it, and told his boss.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
And most pervs are honest right? I mean, if he told Joe, all this is over from there right?

We're talking about a perv here. Not exactly the top tier class of people. And beside that, its irrelevant. Hearsay at best unless the guy is brought in for questioning by authorities. Which again, is not Paterno's responsibility.
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You act like we're talking about secondary recruiting violations or something. What the hell? He was molesting children. Everyone that knew was responsible for contacting authorities.
 
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#145
PuntBamaPunt said:
You're endorsing them not calling the cops for fear of being sued, right? They didn't even bother finding out the kids name.
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Paterno: Hey, were you fondling a kid?

Sandusky: No.

Paterno: Well, can I get the name of the kid you allegedly fondled so I can ask him?
 
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#146
DrunkJohnny said:
You act like we're talking about secondary recruiting violations or something. What the hell? He was molesting children. Everyone that knew was responsible for contacting authorities.
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You act like Paterno was video tapping it all and selling DVD's.

Its not a moral question. Its a legal question. Back to my point though, its clear you Monday morning Counselors wont be convinced, however, I'll maintain this bears nothing on the Legacy of Paterno.
 
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#148
DrunkJohnny said:
It's not JoePas job in this case to decide what's true and what isn't. That's the job of the police.
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Which is why the GA should have (1) intervened to stop the act and (2) gone to the police himself with his eyewitness testimony.
 
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#149
therealUT said:
Paterno: Hey, were you fondling a kid?

Sandusky: No.

Paterno: Well, can I get the name of the kid you allegedly fondled so I can ask him?
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"doop da doop tadoop Inspector JoePa, doop da doop dadoop doop doooooooooo......."
 
#150
#150
Common sense is lost on this country. Legal, illegal, hearsay, witness, blah, blah, blah.
The common sense response and action would have been the right one. Too bad too many people have a different version of common sense, which prevents them from being able to understand basic, common sense.
 
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