Penn State scandal (merged)

#151
#151
TXVOL07 said:
You act like Paterno was video tapping it all and selling DVD's.

Its not a moral question. Its a legal question. Back to my point though, its clear you Monday morning Counselors wont be convinced, however, I'll maintain this bears nothing on the Legacy of Paterno.
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Time will tell you that you're dead wrong. Not many people take pedophilia as lightly as you and JoePa.
 
#152
#152
DrunkJohnny said:
What's wrong with this scenario?
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Aside from the fact that it will lead to the following circle:

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Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: What is the child's name?

Do you see where this is going? NOWHERE!
 
#153
#153
I'd tap the brakes before you spout off about my morality scooter. This wont end well.
 
#154
#154
pl3 said:
Common sense is lost on this country. Legal, illegal, hearsay, witness, blah, blah, blah.
The common sense response and action would have been the right one. Too bad too many people have a different version of common sense, which prevents them from being able to understand basic, common sense.
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I will assume you have friends that have been your friends for at least twenty years.

Someone whom you have known for a year comes to you and says your friend is a rapist; that he saw your friend raping someone; yet, he is not going to alert the police but that you should. Do you immediately call the police and report that your friend is a rapist because a not very well known acquaintance of yours says so?
 
#155
#155
therealUT said:
Aside from the fact that it will lead to the following circle:


Paterno: What is the child's name?

Sandusky: I have no idea what you are talking about. I was neither fondling nor around any child in the locker room.

Paterno: I'll let you talk to the Police.
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That would be real hard, I know.
 
#158
#158
therealUT said:
I will assume you have friends that have been your friends for at least twenty years.

Someone whom you have known for a year comes to you and says your friend is a rapist; that he saw your friend raping someone; yet, he is not going to alert the police but that you should. Do you immediately call the police and report that your friend is a rapist because a not very well known acquaintance of yours says so?
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Yes, I would.

Especially if it was "obvious the GA was upset."

What world do you guys live in where people commonly report people for pedophilia just for the hell of it? :dunno:
 
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#159
#159
One in which the burden of proof falls upon the shoulders of the prosecutors. One world in which slander of this magnitude can end a false accuser. Joe's not the "accuser."
 
#165
#165
TXVOL07 said:
Its not a moral question. Its a legal question. Back to my point though, its clear you Monday morning Counselors wont be convinced, however, I'll maintain this bears nothing on the Legacy of Paterno.
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The legality of how JoePa acted will have zero bearing on his legacy. When people think of PSU they will think Sandusky sodomizing a kid in the shower while JoePa was the head coach, period. This isn't some story that is only being reported by sports media, it was picked up by USA Today and will be a part of the news cycle for the immediate future.
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#166
#166
therealUT said:
Which is why the GA should have (1) intervened to stop the act and (2) gone to the police himself with his eyewitness testimony.
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A quick WTF ARE YOU DOING? and then a quick ass beating would have been the first thing to do, and THEN go call dad, and report to Paterno.


GA was protecting his GA job.
 
#167
#167
therealUT said:
I will assume you have friends that have been your friends for at least twenty years.

Someone whom you have known for a year comes to you and says your friend is a rapist; that he saw your friend raping someone; yet, he is not going to alert the police but that you should. Do you immediately call the police and report that your friend is a rapist because a not very well known acquaintance of yours says so?
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What if your long time "friend" has a history of this exact same behavior? Surely Paterno had caught wind of the alleged incident in 1998. So, it should not have sounded so far fetched when presented with the information from the GA.
 
#169
#169
therealUT said:
I will assume you have friends that have been your friends for at least twenty years.

Someone whom you have known for a year comes to you and says your friend is a rapist; that he saw your friend raping someone; yet, he is not going to alert the police but that you should. Do you immediately call the police and report that your friend is a rapist because a not very well known acquaintance of yours says so?
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Nope. I call him first, then I call the police to come take the report in front of the AD. Sandusky can answer questions on his terms or the po po. If he's innocent, it shouldn't be a problem. I've been coaching in some fashion for 18 years, and even with the new background checks, these creeps sneak through. Paterno not following up properly reeks. Knowing someone for 20 yrs means nothing.
 
#170
#170
Nope, barner, I dont. I really think the GA should have skipped going to yalls perceived "2nd Coming of Christ @ PSU" and directed his efforts towards contacting A. The Admin, B. The Facilities Director, and C. The authorities instead of kicking the water cooler with JoePa about his ole buddy.

He didnt need to be involved, and certainly didnt need to be involved primarily. Joe's involvement and notification about the incident should have came directly from his boss(s). Not a GA.
 
#171
#171
TXVOL07 said:
Nope, barner, I dont. I really think the GA should have skipped going to yalls perceived "2nd Coming of Christ @ PSU" and directed his efforts towards contacting A. The Admin, B. The Facilities Director, and C. The authorities instead of kicking the water cooler with JoePa about his ole buddy.

He didnt need to be involved, and certainly didnt need to be involved primarily. Joe's involvement and notification about the incident should have came directly from his boss(s). Not a GA.
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Why would he go to the facilities director?
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#172
#172
TXVOL07 said:
Nope, barner, I dont. I really think the GA should have skipped going to yalls perceived "2nd Coming of Christ @ PSU" and directed his efforts towards contacting A. The Admin, B. The Facilities Director, and C. The authorities instead of kicking the water cooler with JoePa about his ole buddy.

He didnt need to be involved, and certainly didnt need to be involved primarily. Joe's involvement and notification about the incident should have came directly from his boss(s). Not a GA.
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That is nothing more than your opinion. Nothing wrong with his first move being to Joe P. From there it faltered. The GA trusted Joe and I'm sure Joe is approached daily about giving advice. Much like one would call his dad first if he ran into something like this. You saying that he should have marched right up to the top of the chain doesn't make much common sense.
 
#173
#173
I am a Penn State Alum. Graduate in '93. As an Alum who sunk big tuition money into Penn State, I am certainly appalled at the allegations, sickened by Sandusky, and angered by Penn State's response. No one will convince me that Sandusky's abrupt resignation in 1999 was not about ongoing rumors like this. They were known back then. Yet, Sandusky was still given unfettered access to Penn State facilities. How do you explain the 2002 incident? Even if some accept that Paterno fulfilled his legal obligation, which he did, he certainly did not fulfill his moral obligation.

Could anyone honestly say they would not follow up and make sure something was done, when you were told a 50 year old man was in the shower with a 10 year old boy? This boy was not a college student. This boy was TEN! What is worse is that NO ONE, not Paterno, not the administrattion, NO ONE, bothered to even find out the boy's name.

Second, if you honestly accept that Paterno had no wrong doing here, how do you explain the fact Paterno was obviously made aware in 2002 if that incident, passed it on to the AD, but over the next 7 years, from 2002 through 2009, after hearing that 2002 incident, Sandusky was still giuven unfettered access to football facilities? Are we to honestly believe Paterno was unaware after 2002 that Sandusky was still using football facilities? Really? Where did Paterno's moral, character, and integrity come into play over the last seven years after hearing the 2002 incident. Why did he not say after 2002 that Sandusky is not permitted in any football facilities?

The President of PSU reviewed and approved an agreement banning Sandusky from brining children to any football facilities in 2002. You mean to tell me he simply approved it without ever asking why? Please. And since he did approve it, why was it no enforced?

As a Penn State alum, I have a unique perspective because of my ties to PSU. The number one question I want answered is, when did the reputation of the football program take precedent over the reputation of the academic and research insitutition of Penn State?

Regardless, the final say on who stays and who goes will not be made in State College regardless. That will be made in the State Capitol in Harrisburg. The hold the pruse strings and it is not random, but by design, that five members of the Board of Trustees are appointed by the Governor. Imagine being the Penn State executive having to appear in front of the Appropriations Commitee of the House and Senate in Harrisburg to ask for more money in the upcoming budget. Good luck with that.

The decisions on whether President Spanier or Joe Paterno survive will likely be decided in Harrisburg as well, as this all unfolds. My personal opinion, as an Alum, President Spanier should immediately resign and Paterno should be asked to retire, and if he chooses not to, he should be forced out. This is not recruting violations. This is child sex abuse. Penn State must completely clean house in order to restore integrity.
 
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#175
#175
9296potsguy said:
In Happy Valley, I'd say he was as untouchable as the Pope in the Vatican.
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Not when it comes to child abuse. He shold be fired immediately. If he knew about it and all he did was tell the AD, his azz needs to be kicked from Happy Valley to Hoboken. He and Sandusky were great friends. Paterno might not have known about his transgressions, but he did hear things and should have taken it directly to the Police.
 
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