Penn State scandal (merged)

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dreVol said:
Why would he go to the facilities director?
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Maintenance Manager's are quick to make decisions regarding possible pedophilia/rape in the locker room under a team that has been coached by the same man for 60 years.
 
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going to spend Thanksgiving with a guy who played for him. Can't wait to hear about it
 
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TennTom said:
Joe Pa reporting it to the AD vindicates him criminally, but certainly not morally. Pretty sickening on many levels.
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No so fast...not necessarily. If he knew for a fact Sandusky was abusing children and didn't relay it to the proper LAW ENFORCEMENT officials, he could be chareged as well. This isn't some NCAA violation. Heck, it isn't even fraud or robbery, it's CHILD ABUSE
 
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pl3 said:
Maintenance Manager's are quick to make decisions regarding possible pedophilia/rape in the locker room under a team that has been coached by the same man for 60 years.
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Well that certainly makes more sense than going to the head coach. Thanks for clearing that up.
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dreVol said:
Why would he go to the facilities director?
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Did it not take place on campus? Do we not all have some sort of "code orange" or code "maroon" in case of some criminal activity is taking place to shut down campus for the safety of the students?

It might be a bit of a stretch, but those that are members of that department have a right to be informed imo.

Granted, the guy wasn't carrying a loaded weapon around in plain sight, but you should get my point.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Did it not take place on campus? Do we not all have some sort of "code orange" or code "maroon" in case of some criminal activity is taking place to shut down campus for the safety of the students?

It might be a bit of a stretch, but those that are members of that department have a right to be informed imo.

Granted, the guy wasn't carrying a loaded weapon around in plain sight, but you should get my point.
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Maybe he should have gone into the quad and rung the big bell
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Does anyone actually know what the conversation between Paterno and the AD included? If the AD says that he has to handle it because of various legal issues involved (and Paterno doesn't have a law background), then it ceases to become Paterno's responsibility. Maybe it's just me, but a coach having reported an issue to an AD (who has immediate access to lawyers and all sorts of other people advising him) is about as far as he could go with it.
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WRONG on many levels. He could have/should have picked the phone up and dialed the Police. There isn't any rule at a University where you can't pick up the phone and call the Police
 
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SamRebel35 said:
If it had turned out that the pedophile had never touched any boys, yet Paterno reported his second hand info to the police, would that be defamation? Reporting second hand information and accusing are two entirely different things. Am I wrong about this?
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No you aren't.

Dude is clueless.
 
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They have a "Chester Molester Bell" on the quad? Damn, things are rough in Happy Valley.
 
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2ironVol said:
No so fast...not necessarily. If he knew for a fact Sandusky was abusing children and didn't relay it to the proper LAW ENFORCEMENT officials, he could be chareged as well. This isn't some NCAA violation. Heck, it isn't even fraud or robbery, it's CHILD ABUSE
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Not true. Under PA law, and most states for that matter, Paterno was legally in the right by reporting the information to his superior. Morally and ethically in the wrong, but legally in the clear.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
If it had turned out that the pedophile had never touched any boys, yet Paterno reported his second hand info to the police, would that be defamation? Reporting second hand information and accusing are two entirely different things. Am I wrong about this?
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If found innocent, the accused has the legal right to counter sue for defamation of character and Joe's bank account would be in jeopardy. He didn't have any facts. All he had was speculation. This was the GA's issue and some, but not all, acted accordingly.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
Did it not take place on campus? Do we not all have some sort of "code orange" or code "maroon" in case of some criminal activity is taking place to shut down campus for the safety of the students?

It might be a bit of a stretch, but those that are members of that department have a right to be informed imo.

Granted, the guy wasn't carrying a loaded weapon around in plain sight, but you should get my point.
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I'm confused. Why does it make sense to inform the facilities director, but not Sandusky's direct supervisor?
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TXVOL07 said:
If found innocent, the accused has the legal right to counter sue for defamation of character and Joe's bank account would be in jeopardy. He didn't have any facts. All he had was speculation. This was the GA's issue and some, but not all, acted accordingly.
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Wrong again. Keep trying.
 
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PaVolsFan said:
Not true. Under PA law, and most states for that matter, Paterno was legally in the right by reporting the information to his superior. Morally and ethically in the wrong, but legally in the clear.
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Thanks for getting it.
 
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Paterno I think should be booted. However, as an Alum, my biggest concern first is that President Graham Spanier is ousted. He knew and did nothing. He came out yesterday and said that the adminsitration gives unconditional support to the two administrators charged with perjury. What a horrible PR move. The fact the Penn State Board of Trustees met late last night and quickly followed up on ousting the two administrators shows that Spanier has already basically been stripped of decision making as it pertains to this scandal. I know if I were a Trustee, I would have been mortified at Spanier's response.
 
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Joe Pa, the administrators and the AD, and PSU generally will most likely burn in Civil Court for this one. The has already been brought up on criminal perjury charges, I don't know what's stopping them from charging Joe Pa as well. The GA made no qualms about stating under oath that he informed Joe at a meeting at Joe's house directly acfter the incident, exactly what he saw.

Obviously, Joe Pa and the AD had a duty to report that they had reasonable belief that a crime had been committed. Not doing so would generally make someone an accesory after the fact, in TN at least.
 
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dreVol said:
I'm confused. Why does it make sense to inform the facilities director, but not Sandusky's direct supervisor?
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Because it's Child Abuse, as many of you pointed out already. Not Penn State Football t-shirt theft.

Joe is not the authority on much outside of PSU Football. He's a football coach, not God/Judge/jury/prosecutor/ end all be all at a major educational institution.

Just a ball coach guys.
 
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Dbake005 said:
"Joe Paterno will not be charged, sources say."
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Paterno needs to go. He knew Sandusky had been with a boy in the shower as far back as 2002. A graduate assistant caught Sandusky and went and talked to Paterno about it. To hear Paterno claim he was shocked after knowing that happened is laughable and sickening. Everyone that knew and didnt notify the police or DHS should be fired immediately.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
If it had turned out that the pedophile had never touched any boys, yet Paterno reported his second hand info to the police, would that be defamation? Reporting second hand information and accusing are two entirely different things. Am I wrong about this?
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No. Slander is either knowingly publishing (orally) false information about an individual, or publishing information that turns out to be false although unknowingly, without putting forth enough prior investigation so that the publication is said to be negligent.

Joe Pa reporting a possible rape to the police would not approach slander.
 
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