Penny Hardaway Meltdown

[Dudleys87]

But he’s not running from Tennessee…

 

[DiderotsGhost]

Every kid on that team would transfer out if Hardaway was fired. Memphis knows that. He’s not getting fired.

Pretty much. Which is why he won't get fired for a few years when recruits start to figure out that his bad coaching is probably hampering their long-term earnings.

 

[BigBadVol]

That guy has zero class! He doesn’t deserve the position of head coach anywhere much less a major university.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Knowing your feelings toward tiger high I expected something gold.

I try.

The funny thing is that I don’t even dislike them that much. My wife is from there, my in laws went to Memphis State, the difference is that they know the deal and don’t pretend that Memphis is something that they’re not.

 

[05_never_again]

I try.

The funny thing is that I don’t even dislike them that much. My wife is from there, my in laws went to Memphis State, the difference is that they know the deal and don’t pretend that Memphis is something that they’re not.

I kind of get it - of course with athletics they have an inferiority complex with UT but for the last 15-20 years I've gathered that city has an inferiority complex generally, particularly with Nashville.

I've always liked Nash more than Memphis personally, but 20 years ago there wasn't all that much to set the cities apart. 20 years later, Nashville is not only the bigger city but has absolutely exploded...businesses and people relocating there, tons of tourism, and is a trendy destination city on a national stage. Memphis is still kind of, well, Memphis. I think on some level they look at the emergence of Nashville and think that should have happened to them.

 

[Dudleys87]

I try.

The funny thing is that I don’t even dislike them that much. My wife is from there, my in laws went to Memphis State, the difference is that they know the deal and don’t pretend that Memphis is something that they’re not.

So unlike Penny they live in reality.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I kind of get it - of course with athletics they have an inferiority complex with UT but for the last 15-20 years I've gathered that city has an inferiority complex generally, particularly with Nashville.

I've always liked Nash more than Memphis personally, but 20 years ago there wasn't all that much to set the cities apart. 20 years later, Nashville is not only the bigger city but has absolutely exploded...businesses and people relocating there, tons of tourism, and is a trendy destination city on a national stage. Memphis is still kind of, well, Memphis. I think on some level they look at the emergence of Nashville and think that should have happened to them.

I think if the State or if Memphis had allowed casinos to be built Memphis could’ve exploded. That’s just my opinion, and I’m not that well versed on Tennessee State politics to know if that were actually a possibility . Just seems like a damn shame that you have Tunica 45 minutes away and all that $ stays out of town.

 

[05_never_again]

I think if the State or if Memphis had allowed casinos to be built Memphis could’ve exploded. That’s just my opinion, and I’m not that well versed on Tennessee State politics to know if that were actually a possibility . Just seems like a damn shame that you have Tunica 45 minutes away and all that $ stays out of town.

I don't know if the casino route would attract the "crowd" they want. Memphis, and basically every city, wants to attract a crowd that skews younger, educated, and affluent. That crowd does like to go to Vegas to gamble, but I don't think they'd go to Memphis to do it.

I think Memphis is butthurt that they didn't get the Titans. The Titans did play that first season after the relocated in Memphis, and I think tried to use that as a dress rehearsal to show that they could support a team.

“I don’t know if it just touched on that divide that is Memphis and Nashville, but there were definitely some issues there,” Hopkins said. “Maybe it was just because Memphis had already thrown its name into the hat with the NFL to see if they could get a franchise, and the next thing, hey, Nashville emerges with one. It didn’t seem like they were too happy with that.”

Titans' 20 seasons sprang from rocky start in Memphis

 

[feathersax]

Can we arrange a dirty deeds match between Hardaway & Will Wade?

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I don't know if the casino route would attract the "crowd" they want. Memphis, and basically every city, wants to attract a crowd that skews younger, educated, and affluent. That crowd does like to go to Vegas to gamble, but I don't think they'd go to Memphis to do it.

I think Memphis is butthurt that they didn't get the Titans. The Titans did play that first season after the relocated in Memphis, and I think tried to use that as a dress rehearsal to show that they could support a team.

Titans' 20 seasons sprang from rocky start in Memphis

I think you’re right about the Titans, but I was thinking more Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods type of casino experiences rather than Biloxi or other random river casinos . Thinking it might bring more money to the city . A pyramid casino might work out better than a pyramid Bass Pro.

 

[05_never_again]

I think you’re right about the Titans, but I was thinking more Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods type of casino experiences rather than Biloxi or other random river casinos . Thinking it might bring more money to the city . A pyramid casino might work out better than a pyramid Bass Pro.

That approach would definitely be better than whatever it is they are doing now.

 

[TheDeeble]

I don't know if the casino route would attract the "crowd" they want. Memphis, and basically every city, wants to attract a crowd that skews younger, educated, and affluent. That crowd does like to go to Vegas to gamble, but I don't think they'd go to Memphis to do it.

I think Memphis is butthurt that they didn't get the Titans. The Titans did play that first season after the relocated in Memphis, and I think tried to use that as a dress rehearsal to show that they could support a team.

Titans' 20 seasons sprang from rocky start in Memphis

I remember a few city politicians/radio personalities in Memphis trying to get good fan attendance.

But it was made clear from the start the Titans didn't want anything to do with Memphis. They didn't live here. They didn't practice here. They didn't do events here. It was a quickly made decision with little preplanning to move when they did. There was little time to advertise and sell tickets as the article mentioned. Much of the city didn't care about supporting a team that was clearly a Nashville team that was only here because it's what was available. They came to Memphis the night before games and went home afterwards. Bud Adams didn't put much effort into Memphis and the city reciprocated.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Every kid on that team would transfer out if Hardaway was fired. Memphis knows that. He’s not getting fired.

That is probably true, but are those players doing them any good right now? You could give Penny the 2014-15 Kentucky Wildcats... and he might make the NIT with them.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I remember a few city politicians/radio personalities in Memphis trying to get good fan attendance.

But it was made clear from the start the Titans didn't want anything to do with Memphis. They didn't live here. They didn't practice here. They didn't do events here. It was a quickly made decision with little preplanning to move when they did. There was little time to advertise and sell tickets as the article mentioned. Much of the city didn't care about supporting a team that was clearly a Nashville team that was only here because it's what was available. They came to Memphis the night before games and went home afterwards. Bud Adams didn't put much effort into Memphis and the city reciprocated.

Why would anyone want to stay in Memphis. For any reason?

 

[TheDeeble]

Why would anyone want to stay in Memphis. For any reason?

I'm not complaining personally that they didn't stay here. I wasn't going to change teams. They could do whatever they wanted.

But they shouldn't have been surprised when they didn't get much fan support from Memphis when they didn't put any effort into getting fan support from Memphis.

 

[golfballs]

Interesting way to phrase it

 

[05_never_again]

I'm not complaining personally that they didn't stay here. I wasn't going to change teams. They could do whatever they wanted.

But they shouldn't have been surprised when they didn't get much fan support from Memphis when they didn't put any effort into getting fan support from Memphis.

I think it was more along the lines of neither party wanted them to be there. Memphis absolutely wanted (and still wants, although that ship sailed a long time ago) an NFL team, but since the Titans were Nashville's team they despised them being in Memphis.

They think that they were "unfairly" passed over and when you combine that with the inferiority complex they had anyway (and has just gotten worse over the last couple of decades), you end up with a lot of butthurt. They absolutely hate it that Nashville was, more or less, in the same spot as them as a city 25 years ago but since then Nash has gone on to much bigger and better things while Memphis is still kind of sitting there. That attitude kind of permeates the whole city and it shows up in the fanbases of their sports teams.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I think it was more along the lines of neither party wanted them to be there. Memphis absolutely wanted (and still wants, although that ship sailed a long time ago) an NFL team, but since the Titans were Nashville's team they despised them being in Memphis.

They think that they were "unfairly" passed over and when you combine that with the inferiority complex they had anyway (and has just gotten worse over the last couple of decades), you end up with a lot of butthurt. They absolutely hate it that Nashville was, more or less, in the same spot as them as a city 25 years ago but since then Nash has gone on to much bigger and better things while Memphis is still kind of sitting there. That attitude kind of permeates the whole city and it shows up in the fanbases of their sports teams.

That is all true. The Oilers (as they were still known back then), should have just gone ahead and played at Vanderbilt Stadium in 1997. In Memphis, they were like your daughter's uninvited and inappropriately dressed boyfriend during Thanksgiving dinner.

 

[TheDeeble]

I think it was more along the lines of neither party wanted them to be there. Memphis absolutely wanted (and still wants, although that ship sailed a long time ago) an NFL team, but since the Titans were Nashville's team they despised them being in Memphis.

They think that they were "unfairly" passed over and when you combine that with the inferiority complex they had anyway (and has just gotten worse over the last couple of decades), you end up with a lot of butthurt. They absolutely hate it that Nashville was, more or less, in the same spot as them as a city 25 years ago but since then Nash has gone on to much bigger and better things while Memphis is still kind of sitting there. That attitude kind of permeates the whole city and it shows up in the fanbases of their sports teams.

Look man, for the most part the people of Memphis dgaf about Nashville or what goes on there. Maybe it bugs some Memphis city politicians, but the people living here don't even think about it. That honestly sounds like something written by some columnist from Central/East Tennessee that's never lived here.

The city govt wanted an NFL team. Sure. I remember it. Local politicians and a few local sports guys tried to get people to support the Tennessee Oilers to show the NFL that Memphis can support a team. I've always doubted it, but it certainly isn't going to work trying to get a city largely dominated by Steelers, Cowboys and Raiders fans to change allegiance and come support a transplanted Texas team in Memphis for a couple of years. Especially given that the team is based in a different city. Tennessee isn't going to get two NFL teams.

Combine that with Bud Adams putting no effort into getting Memphis fans interested. He thought just their appearance on gameday should have been enough to have Memphis fans fighting for tickets. Nope. Finding Memphians that want to spend NFL ticket money for a team that doesn't care about them, doesn't want to be here, and isn't their team to begin with was doomed to failure.

 

[05_never_again]

Look man, for the most part the people of Memphis dgaf about Nashville or what goes on there. Maybe it bugs some Memphis city politicians, but the people living here don't even think about it. That honestly sounds like something written by some columnist from Central/East Tennessee that's never lived here.

The city govt wanted an NFL team. Sure. I remember it. Local politicians and a few local sports guys tried to get people to support the Tennessee Oilers to show the NFL that Memphis can support a team. I've always doubted it, but it certainly isn't going to work trying to get a city largely dominated by Steelers, Cowboys and Raiders fans to change allegiance and come support a transplanted Texas team in Memphis for a couple of years. Especially given that the team is based in a different city. Tennessee isn't going to get two NFL teams.

Combine that with Bud Adams putting no effort into getting Memphis fans interested. He thought just their appearance on gameday should have been enough to have Memphis fans fighting for tickets. Nope. Finding Memphians that want to spend NFL ticket money for a team that doesn't care about them, doesn't want to be here, and isn't their team to begin with was doomed to failure.

Anecdotal of course, but every person I've ever known from Memphis or West Tennessee has a chip on their shoulder about it. When I was in college, all the West Tennessee kids were that way any time where they were from got brought up. Kind of a "Yeah, I know it isn't cool, but f*** you." Being an East Tennessee person myself (and not even having a dog in the Memphis/Nashville rivalry) I didn't even realize that was a thing until then.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

OK folks. I don’t pay much attention to Memphis Tiger Basketball but a friend texted me and told me I had to hear Penny Hardaway’s post game press conference after they lost to SMU tonight. He completely loses it about half way through when Geoff Calkins asked him a question. He may be fired tonight. It’s on You Tube under Memphis- SMU : Penny Hardaway post game. Enjoy.

As a Memphis State alum, I am embarrassed that this clown is still coaching my alma mater’s team. The people in charge down there should be held accountable. No basketball coach at any level should be allowed to get away with this kind of behavior. I hope this is the last straw for this bum.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

 

[Rickyvol77]

Anecdotal of course, but every person I've ever known from Memphis or West Tennessee has a chip on their shoulder about it. When I was in college, all the West Tennessee kids were that way any time where they were from got brought up. Kind of a "Yeah, I know it isn't cool, but f*** you." Being an East Tennessee person myself (and not even having a dog in the Memphis/Nashville rivalry) I didn't even realize that was a thing until then.

They don’t like their inferiority

 

[OrangeVolMan]

Every kid on that team would transfer out if Hardaway was fired. Memphis knows that. He’s not getting fired.

Every kid may transfer out if he stays.

 

[WestTennesseeVol]

Anecdotal of course, but every person I've ever known from Memphis or West Tennessee has a chip on their shoulder about it. When I was in college, all the West Tennessee kids were that way any time where they were from got brought up. Kind of a "Yeah, I know it isn't cool, but f*** you." Being an East Tennessee person myself (and not even having a dog in the Memphis/Nashville rivalry) I didn't even realize that was a thing until then.

This is lame. I could say every person from East/Middle Tennessee I’ve met that’s moved to the West part of the state act the same way, people are proud of where they come from, so what?

Speaking as someone from (obviously) West Tennessee, it was annoying to be at UT and people that live in their Davidson or Knox county bubbles think we’re dodging bullets on our way to work or pass through Jackson once and whine there’s nothing there.

Unsurprising, this has turned into yet another way for people to complain about a part of the state they’ve never been to.