Per ESPN sources: Florida admin looking for out

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CAVPUT said:
They're being cheap and obviously don't care about winning. If they did care, they wouldn't waste time looking for cause. They'd fire him today and sign Kelly in order to save their recruiting class before Mac can do any further damage to it. Just get some deep pocketed boosters to write a check then step aside, shut up and get out of the way so they can grab Kelly.

If they don't make these moves today or tomorrow at the latest, they just don't give a damn about football and winning and the AD needs to go.
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He’s an embarrassment to UF. Losing, and then lies about getting death threats. On top of that, I don’t think he likes it there very much anyway.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Rumor is Mac is fired. University position is they could do it for cause over the false death threat thing, but are working on an agreed lower buy out. Mullen will be the new HC.

Meh.
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Ok - If you are a lawyer -- how would you prove that his family didn't get a death threat? Seems like you would want to get off that call as quickly as possible, not take notes, etc. Somewhat of a he said, she said thing and even if 100% fabricated --( trust me Alabama, Auburn, Florida fans more than capable of making death threats )- how does that impact the buyout?
 
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CAVPUT said:
They're being cheap and obviously don't care about winning. If they did care, they wouldn't waste time looking for cause. They'd fire him today and sign Kelly in order to save their recruiting class before Mac can do any further damage to it. Just get some deep pocketed boosters to write a check then step aside, shut up and get out of the way so they can grab Kelly.

If they don't make these moves today or tomorrow at the latest, they just don't give a damn about football and winning and the AD needs to go.
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Saving 12 million bucks isn't wasting time. He broke the law when he falsely reported death threats and that gives them cause. It's always easy to spend other people's money but those boosters may not be too keen on forking over 12 million if it isn't necessary.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Ok - If you are a lawyer -- how would you prove that his family didn't get a death threat? Seems like you would want to get off that call as quickly as possible, not take notes, etc. Somewhat of a he said, she said thing and even if 100% fabricated --( trust me Alabama, Auburn, Florida fans more than capable of making death threats )- how does that impact the buyout?
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Cops can and have looked at phone records and they say there is no evidence of death threats. Those things are easily provable. Phone records show nothing and he can't produce any threatening notes or letters.
 
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Tarkus said:
Saving 12 million bucks isn't wasting time. He broke the law when he falsely reported death threats and that gives them cause. It's always easy to spend other people's money but those boosters may not be too keen on forking over 12 million if it isn't necessary.
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This is a cheap lame excuse -- you entered into a contract - it didn't work out as you hoped -- find a bizarre loophole to try to get out of the contract you signed. This guy has kids at school so who knows what has been said to them - doubt exaggerating the extent of grief you are getting from an angry fan base is a clause in his contract even if he did embellish. You screwed up Florida, time to pony up - or do you plan to screw over your next coach and his agent. Pretty sure Sexton will not want to guide a new coach to Florida - if they screw over his current client.
 
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Pretty sure that the crux of his contract was to coach their football team to the best of his ability - probably no clauses for wins and losses or what constituted failure.

He is being fired because of wins and losses - not whether or not someone did or didn't say something to him or his family. If Florida had beat Ga. 42 - 7 and they were 7-0 or 6-1 he wouldn't be fired. He is solely being let go for the teams poor performance, the other is lawyering smokescreen and buyers remorse. It looks cheap, it is cheap imho.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
This is a cheap lame excuse -- you entered into a contract - it didn't work out as you hoped -- find a bizarre loophole to try to get out of the contract you signed. This guy has kids at school so who knows what has been said to them - doubt exaggerating the extent of grief you are getting from an angry fan base is a clause in his contract even if he did embellish. You screwed up Florida, time to pony up - or do you plan to screw over your next coach and his agent. Pretty sure Sexton will not want to guide a new coach to Florida - if they screw over his current client.
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Filing false police reports is not a bizarre loophole. When the head coach of a major university openly lies about a criminal offense, that is a serious offense even if you think it's a bizarre loophole.
 
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If they try using this loophole to fire him with cause good luck getting a coach that cares about his career to come coach. Heck if they didn’t win the sec in their first 3 years the ad could buy some burners send them to some crazy fans and yet again they could not find anything when the crazies call the coach and his family threatening their lives.

UF better keep mcelwain another year to put this mess out of mind when they do fire him. Otherwise they screwed up big trying to get rid of him cheaply.
 
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Mike Bianchi explains it for those who somehow think UF is the bad guy for attempting to fire McElwain for making up a little white lie about something as meaningless as death threats against himself, his family, and the team.

...I believe McElwain’s downfall at UF is not so much because he’s a bad coach, but more because he’s a bad employee. He comes from the Nick Saban coaching tree and that’s one of his problems. He has the arrogance of Nick Saban but the résumé of Lou Saban.

The most recent evidence of this started on Monday during McElwain’s weekly news conference when the coach — without prompting — nebulously broached the issue of death threats being issued to him, his family and his players.

This was a complete shock to Stricklin, who apparently was livid that McElwain dropped this bombshell on the media without bothering to tell UF’s administration. Then, when McElwain was not forthcoming with information on the death threats, UF threw McElwain under the bus with a brusque statement that oddly revealed McElwain “provided no additional details.”

The reason UF was so angry is two-fold. First, if there were death threats to players and UF’s administration did nothing to protect them, the Gators could be legally liable for a mega-million-dollar wrongful death lawsuit. Second, if McElwain exaggerated the death threats or made them up entirely, then he effectively painted UF’s entire fan base as a bunch of blood-thirsty lunatics who threaten to kill their coaches and players at the first sign of adversity.

Seriously, what recruit’s parent is going to want to send their kid to a place where his life will be threatened if he drops a key pass or misses a crucial block?

McElwain compounded the issue when he told the media during another news conference later in the week that he would offer more details about the death threats “when it becomes unmanageable.”

As if there is ever a manageable death threat.

But this is about more than McElwain’s comments about death threats; it’s about his relationships with his UF superiors and colleagues. Believe me, if his bosses liked him, they would find a reason to keep him. But since they dislike him, they have found a reason to ditch him.
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Oh and yeah what coach would drop their current comfy gig to come coach somewhere they could win their division their first 2 years, then have a bad year when only half the team is their recruits and get fired before they ever had a chance to get their players into their senior year
 
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Tarkus said:
Filing false police reports is not a bizarre loophole. When the head coach of a major university openly lies about a criminal offense, that is a serious offense even if you think it's a bizarre loophole.
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Lying about death threats, then not cooperating with, or providing additional information to UF's administration or law enforcement is considered a "bizarre loophole". :eek:lol:
 
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JFBanicki said:
Oh and yeah what coach would drop their current comfy gig to come coach somewhere they could win their division their first 2 years, then have a bad year when only half the team is their recruits and get fired before they ever had a chance to get their players into their senior year
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I'm guessing a coach not dumb enough to lie about players getting death threats in front of the media, who just might follow up on those allegations....because it's their job as journalists and whatnot.

A coach like that perhaps?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its not even a loop hole, its a big nothing burger. imo
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It's cause for termination.

Here's what I think will happen...UF is going to fire McElwain for cause.

McElwain's legal team will sue UF for the buyout.

A settlement will be the likely outcome.

Win-win for everyone.

McElwain wants out of Gainesville, and Gainesville wants McElwain out.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Oh and yeah what coach would drop their current comfy gig to come coach somewhere they could win their division their first 2 years, then have a bad year when only half the team is their recruits and get fired before they ever had a chance to get their players into their senior year
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UF is a top 5-8 job

Put together a good staff and you can land top 5ish classes basically every year

Not to mention the bar is so low on offense anybody that can actually develop quarterbacks and score points will be treated like a god after the last 2 guys couldn't crack the top 100 in total offense
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It's cause for termination.

Here's what I think will happen...UF is going to fire McElwain for cause.

McElwain's legal team will sue UF for the buyout.

A settlement will be the likely outcome.

Win-win for everyone.

McElwain wants out of Gainesville, and Gainesville wants McElwain out.
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Well, anyone can fire anyone for cause but that ain't it. Its not a win-win as you have about $10m+ plus Florida is still paying for the last win-win through the end of the year. Your definition of win-win is pretty funny.

No, Florida doesn't have cause, although anyone can claim they do. I am not saying they won't fire him - but no its not for cause.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Well, anyone can fire anyone for cause but that ain't it. Its not a win-win as you have about $10m+ plus Florida is still paying for the last win-win through the end of the year. Your definition of win-win is pretty funny.

No, Florida doesn't have cause, although anyone can claim they do. I am not saying they won't fire him - but no its not for cause.
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Your opinion is noted.

UF thinks otherwise, in spite of how you feel.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Your opinion is noted.

UF thinks otherwise, in spite of how you feel.
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Actually, Florida has not done anything that I know of - you are speculating. As far as win-win, only an idiot would believe this is a win for Florida, its just a matter of how much more they lose.

Legally they are idiots, if they allowed him to coach and then claim they have cause a week later. Sounds like the manufacture hurricane fiasco.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Actually, Florida has not done anything that I know of - you are speculating. As far as win-win, only an idiot would believe this is a win for Florida, its just a matter of how much more they lose.

Legally they are idiots, if they allowed him to coach and then claim they have cause a week later. Sounds like the manufacture hurricane fiasco.
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You’re aware an investigation doesn’t happen overnight right?

Dude it’s pretty clear that UF has cause. They learned of said death threats thru the media first. Not from their employee.

That’s a big deal. Since Mac hasn’t come out and said he made it up or it wasn’t true, it’s clear he doubled down to the admin and law enforcement on death threats. Here’s the big issue, there has yet to be seen any proof of said death threats. Since there’s no proof, Mac doubled down on it, and he told the media first before the media, it makes the admin look horribly.

So yes, they have cause to fire him for making the university look bad via a lie that he is doubling down on.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Actually, Florida has not done anything that I know of - you are speculating. As far as win-win, only an idiot would believe this is a win for Florida, its just a matter of how much more they lose.

Legally they are idiots, if they allowed him to coach and then claim they have cause a week later. Sounds like the manufacture hurricane fiasco.
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Second time you've brought up the hurricane situation. You just sound butt hurt at this point.

Chip Kelly is my number one but I would be OK with Mullen.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Second time you've brought up the hurricane situation. You just sound butt hurt at this point.

Chip Kelly is my number one but I would be OK with Mullen.
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If gators sleaze out of the buyout you'll be lucky to get a guy named Dan Kelly or Chip Mullen.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Second time you've brought up the hurricane situation. You just sound butt hurt at this point.

Chip Kelly is my number one but I would be OK with Mullen.
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Not at all, its more of a fact - that was not just done by the Shark Humper, it was the Florida administration that was running the fiasco. There is nothing to be hurt about it - "they are getting what the deserve" as the Shark Lover noted.

There really is no logic in claiming they have cause, if they did, they should have either fired or suspended him last week and even than they really don't have cause. Its really the same lack of logic that happened with the hurricane fiasco.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Actually, Florida has not done anything that I know of - you are speculating. As far as win-win, only an idiot would believe this is a win for Florida, its just a matter of how much more they lose.

Legally they are idiots, if they allowed him to coach and then claim they have cause a week later. Sounds like the manufacture hurricane fiasco.
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Yes genius, I am speculating. That's why I began my last post by saying "Here's what I think will happen....". :eek:lol:

And as far as win-wins go, and you suggesting I'm an idiot, what exactly does Florida win by retaining McElwain, who clearly doesn't want to be there?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Yes genius, I am speculating. That's why I began my last post by saying "Here's what I think will happen....". :eek:lol:

And as far as win-wins go, and you suggesting I'm an idiot, what exactly does Florida win by retaining McElwain, who clearly doesn't want to be there?
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UF thinks otherwise, in spite of how you feel.
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I was responding to this - not sure what you are talking about but you stated it as some type of fact.

Its not a win-win because all of this stuff wasn't just created by the Shark Lover, I mean wasn't it Muschamp's fault? The tell was last year with that all that manufactured fiasco going on. There are bigger problems there and its been going on way before the Shark Lover was there. imo There is no win-win, its stop the bleeding. LSU didn't win by letting Les go, it only temporarily stopped the bleeding.
 
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