Per sources, some guys played last night knowing they were leaving

[Orangepantsforever]

I think we are looking for excuses. We got our clock cleaned.

Exactly. Out talented and out coached….by ole brick by brick, in black hair dye

 

[LSU-SIU]

It started with the OBannon brothers back in the 90’s and escalated from there through the courts. And yes it escalated with fans, media takes and players calling themselves gladiators competing for enjoyment. Fans don’t like being pointed at and yes, congress isn’t the answer.

It's like the New York Mafia going to Congress and asking them for help, but the other crime families (Chicago and New Jersey) aren't necessarily willing parties to the help. Literally what we are really talking about is federal and state crimes. How does the legislative branch "fix" what is obviously a crime?

I believed I warned of the problems State legislative branch might create years ago as well.

This is like big tobacco at this point.... it will go on probably for your remaining life and longer.

 

[Orangepantsforever]

Winning and money go hand in hand.

True, but like the quote in Office Space (paraphrased), you do just enough not to get fired. But in this case, the players hold all of the cards. They can’t get fired.
And that’s for some, not all. I don’t mean to paint with a broad brush. There are some born competitors that live for winning.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It started with the OBannon brothers back in the 90’s and escalated from there through the courts. And yes it escalated with fans, media takes and players calling themselves gladiators competing for enjoyment. Fans don’t like being pointed at and yes, congress isn’t the answer.

I tend to point to the NCAA v Oklahoma case that turned the media money spigot on high to the various schools and conferences and started all the realignment and race to get the biggest TV contracts.

That made having a really good team or conference VERY profitable vs conferences without good teams. The more money the schools made, the more the players felt like....... Hmm, shouldn't we get a piece of that?

The NCAA v. Oklahoma turns 40: Looking back at the lawsuit that changed who controls college sports on TV

Jon Wilner's Pac-12 Hotline: The NCAA v. Oklahoma turns 40: Looking back at the lawsuit that changed who controls college sports on TV.

tucson.com

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Pell grant opportunities helped blunt the part time job. The part time job was to stop the Rhett Bomar deals for players, little to no work for over compensation by businesses. I have no issue with a kid receiving 100% paid tuition forfeiting their rights of jersey purchases. I do agree, they need a better plan then a free for all.

Yes, the Pell Grant. Nice. A lot were getting those because of their family income, but most weren't getting it. Those from middle class weren't getting them. Especially in my time in college. I knew some non athletes who got them and lived better than their parents. Hey, it's great to have tuition, room, books and food provided. Don't get me wrong, but not having the ability to spring for anything else is troublesome when the organization is making far more from your likeness than they're paying for your scholarship

 

[Majors]

I tend to point to the NCAA v Oklahoma case that turned the media money spigot on high to the various schools and conferences and started all the realignment and race to get the biggest TV contracts.

That made having a really good team or conference VERY profitable vs conferences without good teams. The more money the schools made, the more the players felt like....... Hmm, shouldn't we get a piece of that?

The NCAA v. Oklahoma turns 40: Looking back at the lawsuit that changed who controls college sports on TV

Jon Wilner's Pac-12 Hotline: The NCAA v. Oklahoma turns 40: Looking back at the lawsuit that changed who controls college sports on TV.

tucson.com

Piece of that is the ability to be seen on TV. Better amenities/facilities and avenues for better professional career in the league or area of academic. No doubt Tennessee athletes are in a much better situation than UTC/TN Tech/ETSU because of how profitable the SEC and Tennessee is.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Piece of that is the ability to be seen on TV. Better amenities/facilities and avenues for better professional career in the league or area of academic. No doubt Tennessee athletes are in a much better situation than UTC/TN Tech/ETSU because of how profitable the SEC and Tennessee is.

That's one way to see it and I know a lot of musicians who get offered to "play for exposure" and "we have a sound guy to set you up" and feel free to put a tip jar at the front of the stage, but no..... we can't afford to pay you.

Sounds great, eh?

Not really.

I've known photographers who got pitched to shoot pictures for a magazine "for exposure" because the magazine is so cool and it'll be "good for your career."

Should great, eh?

Not really.

I'll bet if you work you want to be paid in more than exposure. That's just a guess.

 

[livefaith]

If true, this adds some clarity to Heupel's statement:

Yeah, a ton of disappointment in our locker room for everybody that’s invested.

Being a college head coach has to be just awful at this point.

How do I sign up for one of these awful $5-10mil/yr positions. I can start immediately.

 

[stolitonic]

I'm unsure about being able to easily prove "fraud" unless they get some text or email discovery of the player saying they were going to "ride it out."

I've wondered that about pro players who seem to go really hard until they sign that big contract, then they're suddenly only mediocre.

I KNOW that academics will publish, present papers, etc until they get tenure then proof.... they never do significant research or publish again.

I'm just venting dude lol. Don't take anything post on here for the next few days seriously ha ha.

I just think it's hilarious how if I hire a carpenter to add a room onto my house and he doesn't do the job, I don't have to pay them. Hell, they build a faulty structure and I can address legally. I hire a clown for a kids birthday party and the dude shows up drunk and tries to hump my dog, same situation.

I just think it's funny that kids taking money and just going through the motions can't be addressed

 

[madbamahater]

No transfers until after the national championship game is played

 

[cgrish]

It's a tough spot. Fans are not happy with guys like Nimrod for leaving before the playoffs, then they're not happy with guys who finish out the year knowing they'll hit the portal also.

In the business world people often have a job lined up with a new employer while still working out a notice or training/transitioning an employee to replace them. It's not unheard of at all.

It's not unheard of I agree, but if a person knows they are leaving they are not 100% mentally into the game. And football is as much mental as physical. Milton had all the physical ability, but slow making decisions, that's mental. Nico up to this point appears to be slow in making decisions. Not meaning that either of these two are not intelligent. A person can be very intelligent, but slower in their thinking.

 

[a vol n tears]

If true, this adds some clarity to Heupel's statement:

Yeah, a ton of disappointment in our locker room for everybody that’s invested.

Being a college head coach has to be just awful at this point.

Agree, nobody should be stressed that bad for just $9M a year.

 

[ptgrbn]

Yeah heard a similar thing from the Volquest guys. Whoever it is, at least they stuck it out and played unlike the guys who quit on the team before a playoff game

Every guy who entered the portal that would have earned meaningful playing time and not just be a tackling dummy is quitter and shamefully for sale to the highest bidder. Greed and the NCAA ruins everything in the end. The quality of this game is only going to suffer until it’s ultimately unwatchable

 

[Wahoooo]

The NCAA or whomever will be running college sports in the future should consider the following.

Since they can’t put a salary cap on NIL, scholarships are really antiquated. You can make sure ANY player you want on your team can get more than enough to pay room and board, tuition.

Technically, you can have 120 players on he team I believe?

Do like pro football. Limit team size to 55 active players, 5 to 10 “red shirt/ reserve” players.

No additions to the 65 total during the season.

Talk about parity…,,,

 

[Volbrando]

No transfers until after the national championship game is played

Can’t do that because of the academic calendar if players are still considered students. They’d have to wait until after spring semester

 

[rocytop2624]

No transfers until after the national championship game is played

You still have a problem because the people leaving don't want to get hurt.

 

[backdoorcutvol]

What if Nil money was put in something like a trust fund. Players could get their money after getting a degree or going pro, and career ending injuries. They don’t get their money if they transfer. Let them live off their free room and board and all that Nike clothing.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It's not unheard of I agree, but if a person knows they are leaving they are not 100% mentally into the game. And football is as much mental as physical. Milton had all the physical ability, but slow making decisions, that's mental. Nico up to this point appears to be slow in making decisions. Not meaning that either of these two are not intelligent. A person can be very intelligent, but slower in their thinking.

Let's think about it another way. Before the bowl game, Heupel was said to be having interviews with players and some of those players were probably told that it would be best for them to move on. Some guys hit the portal and got called quitters because "they abandoned the team without finishing what they started."

Maybe others got told that they should move on and didn't enter the portal. Did some of them take snaps knowing coach didn't really want them anymore? I don't know but regardless that's the team abandoning the player, isn't it?

We see PLENTY of examples where a coach is no longer all in on a player or many people keep saying "Coach Heupel doesn't trust Nico" and if that's true of course those players are no longer going to buy in 100% also if it seems your coach doesn't believe in you.

My point: it's not just the players who check out on the situation. Sometimes the coach checks out on a player too and causes less performance.

 

[Cartervol]

Dumbest thing they could have ever done.

 

[OrangeTsar]

NIL will eventually have to have contracts. There has to be two way commitment. No hopping around for the term of your contract

 

[AthensVol2007]

Ohio State didn't have that problem, sounds like it was just our problem. Seems like SEC teams have struggled more with this, Alabama is having similar issues.

Judkins entered the portal last year and 2 days later was committ to OSU and he did it in January after the bowl, not the first opening in Dec. I’m sure he didn’t have a deal in place with OSU immediately upon announcement.

 

[Vol865]

Yeah heard a similar thing from the Volquest guys. Whoever it is, at least they stuck it out and played unlike the guys who quit on the team before a playoff game

Maybe not the popular opinion but I'd rather not have someone who has a foot halfway out the door over a guy who is fully invested

 

[stolitonic]

Let's think about it another way. Before the bowl game, Heupel was said to be having interviews with players and some of those players were probably told that it would be best for them to move on. Some guys hit the portal and got called quitters because "they abandoned the team without finishing what they started."

Maybe others got told that they should move on and didn't enter the portal. Did some of them take snaps knowing coach didn't really want them anymore? I don't know but regardless that's the team abandoning the player, isn't it?

We see PLENTY of examples where a coach is no longer all in on a player or many people keep saying "Coach Heupel doesn't trust Nico" and if that's true of course those players are no longer going to buy in 100% also if it seems your coach doesn't believe in you.

My point: it's not just the players who check out on the situation. Sometimes the coach checks out on a player too and causes less performance.

While I'm not exactly high on Heupel at the moment, I doubt the man is as myopic as to tell a player they have no future at UT and still put that player on the field for a meaningful snap

Sorry, but that is a conversation that can only have a few outcomes and still getting playing time is not one of them.

If any players laid down in anticipation of entering the profile, then they kind of shot themselves in the foot anyway

Nobody in our roster or coaching staff will be able to negotiate from a position of strength after that debacle. Kind of like begging for a raise when you lost the companies biggest account during the year and crashed a company car pulling out of a nudie bar.

 

[The Original Fade]

It was illegal and was correctly ruled as such. There is no way to prevent it

So you’re fine with how things are at the present moment?

 

[GiveHim6InSC]

Every guy who entered the portal that would have earned meaningful playing time and not just be a tackling dummy is quitter and shamefully for sale to the highest bidder. Greed and the NCAA ruins everything in the end. The quality of this game is only going to suffer until it’s ultimately unwatchable

Looked at the portal a little while ago.
Lots of 2 and 3 stars in there, occasionally a 4 star sprinkled in.
Kinda like Bin Time for football players
They won’t magically become a 5 star somewhere else.
Sometimes the grass is greenest over the septic tank