Perkins Coie Allies Connected to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 Campaign Spied on Trump’s Internet Traffic While Trump Was President

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I smell RICO!

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Gotta imagine a good prosecutor who wanted to could tie this together with Peter Strzok activity, Hillary's emails, what they did to Gen Flynn, etc into one fine racketeering case to deprive Trump and the Presidency. They have what they need. An actual crime and then the conspiracy between others.
 
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Someone is going to face huge prison time. Maybe a couple of people. No way they let them get away with this now that this has been discovered. Clinton, Obama, or Biden will take the hit but some minions will. Expect some to sing and their cowardice will get exposed. Congrats for 20 years in the cellar.

We literally have people in prison a year later for "unlawful entry" without due process for crimes that do not approach the level of actual conspiratorial insurrection as we are seeing unfold.
 
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We literally have people in prison a year later for "unlawful entry" without due process for crimes that do not approach the level of actual conspiratorial insurrection as we are seeing unfold.

Gotta get to November because there will be a change in congress. I don't have a lot of confidence in the republican party but there are too many shiny objects out there for them not to go after one.
 
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"According to Durham, Joffe and his associates manipulated that data to make it seem like Trump, and those in Trump’s world, had suspicious interactions with internet protocol (IP) addresses affiliated with a Russian mobile phone provider. They then combined those allegations with the Alfa Bank hoax materials (the subject of Sussmann’s Fall 2016 meeting with then-FBI General Counsel James Baker).

This damaging information, purporting to demonstrate at least circumstantial evidence of Trump/Russia collusion, was presented on February 9, 2017 to what Durham describes as U.S. Government “Agency-2.”

That agency was the CIA. We know for sure that Sussmann met with the CIA General Counsel. We learned in January 2022 that, if Sussmann is to be believed, there were two other CIA employees at that meeting.

In other words, a Clinton supporting contractor (Joffe) obtained sensitive information (perhaps unlawfully) about the Office of the President of the United States (Trump), manipulated the information, passed it to a DNC/Clinton lawyer (Sussmann), who then delivered it to the CIA.

All on American soil.

This is important because the CIA is generally prohibited from conducting domestic operations. The FBI explains:

“The CIA collects information only regarding foreign countries and their citizens. Unlike the FBI, it is prohibited from collecting information regarding ‘U.S. Persons,’ a term that includes U.S. citizens, resident aliens, legal immigrants, and U.S. corporations, regardless of where they are located.”​
In the CIA’s own words:

“The FBI is responsible for coordination of clandestine collection of foreign intelligence through human sources or human-enabled means and counterintelligence activities inside the United States.”
Yet when it came to Trump, here was the CIA doing what it is prohibited: “collecting information regarding U.S. persons” inside the United States"

The OSS (CIA) predecessor did some good work. The CIA has always been pretty shady - about as trustworthy as a pit viper in bed with you - at least if you care about starting coups, installing dictators, selling drugs to finance schemes, etc. It's really a shame because we need a credible agency to do what the CIA should be doing.
 
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Well...we are getting a Blooming Onion. DC is such a sewer and not even sure if reformable without taking the whole nation out. And that is their trump card
It depends on how much of the country realize DC is the enemy and unites against it instead of fighting each other.
 
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The way right-wing media is covering this story has been disingenuous so far.

As one example, the Fox News headline linked below describes an attempt to "infiltrate" Trump Tower (quotation marks included), but that isn't a word which appears anywhere in John Durham's court filing. So, who did Fox News get that descriptive word from, you ask? From the sought-for-commentary of Kash Patel, a former Chief of Staff to the Acting Secretary of Defense under President Donald Trump. That is exactly the kind of unprofessional journalism which Fox News decried during the Mueller probe.

Clinton campaign paid to 'infiltrate' Trump Tower, White House servers to link Trump to Russia, Durham finds

Also, Fox News is straining to somehow make this story relevant to the current Biden Administration.... but the actual links to Biden are very unclear, to say the least.

White House refuses to answer question on Durham probe revelations

Why should a Biden White House Press Secretary need to answer questions about this story? It doesn't appear to involve them at all. However, the way the above linked report was written, strongly suggests that the White House is being evasive over a scandal.

For lack of a better word, this has been the "rebuttal" from the left-wing media.

It definitely appears as though this story and its coverage will be completely partisan. Who and what you choose to believe will depend completely on which side of the political aisle you reside.... like most every other political news story over the last 20 years. This wont move the needle one bit.

Morning Joe Hosts Berate Fox News for Spying Hillary Claim
 
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Someone is going to face huge prison time. Maybe a couple of people. No way they let them get away with this now that this has been discovered. Clinton, Obama, or Biden will take the hit but some minions will. Expect some to sing and their cowardice will get exposed. Congrats for 20 years in the cellar.

Don't count on it. That would be like admitting the government was corrupt or guilty of failure to control rogue agents, and they can't allow that. We might be in line for an assassination in which all supporting documentation used in the investigation (coverup) will be hidden from the light of day for a hundred years or so. This stuff just has to be made to fit into the investigation.
 
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The way right-wing media is covering this story has been disingenuous so far.

As one example, the Fox News headline linked below describes an attempt to "infiltrate" Trump Tower (quotation marks included), but that isn't a word which appears anywhere in John Durham's court filing. So, who did Fox News get that descriptive word from, you ask? From the sought-for commentary of Kash Patel, a former Chief of Staff to the Acting Secretary of Defense under President Donald Trump. That is exactly the kind of unprofessional journalism which Fox News decried during the Mueller probe.

Clinton campaign paid to 'infiltrate' Trump Tower, White House servers to link Trump to Russia, Durham finds

Also, Fox News is straining to somehow make this story relevant to the current Biden Administration.... but the actual links to Biden are very unclear, to say the least.

White House refuses to answer question on Durham probe revelations

Why should a Biden White House Press Secretary need to answer questions about this story? It doesn't appear to involve them at all. However, the way the above linked report was written, strongly suggests that the White House is being evasive over a scandal.

For lack of a better word, this has been the "rebuttal" from the left-wing media.

It definitely appears as though this story and its coverage will be completely partisan. Who and what you choose to believe will depend completely on which side of the political aisle you reside.... like most every other political news story over the last 20 years. This wont move the needle one bit.

Morning Joe Hosts Berate Fox News for Spying Hillary Claim

Can you say...I-N-D-I-C-T-M-E-N-T-S? More indictments already for criminal collusion activity than you guys got on a $40M and subsequent investigations.
 
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#63
The way right-wing media is covering this story has been disingenuous so far.

As one example, the Fox News headline linked below describes an attempt to "infiltrate" Trump Tower (quotation marks included), but that isn't a word which appears anywhere in John Durham's court filing. So, who did Fox News get that descriptive word from, you ask? From the sought-for-commentary of Kash Patel, a former Chief of Staff to the Acting Secretary of Defense under President Donald Trump. That is exactly the kind of unprofessional journalism which Fox News decried during the Mueller probe.

Clinton campaign paid to 'infiltrate' Trump Tower, White House servers to link Trump to Russia, Durham finds

Also, Fox News is straining to somehow make this story relevant to the current Biden Administration.... but the actual links to Biden are very unclear, to say the least.

White House refuses to answer question on Durham probe revelations

Why should a Biden White House Press Secretary need to answer questions about this story? It doesn't appear to involve them at all. However, the way the above linked report was written, strongly suggests that the White House is being evasive over a scandal.

For lack of a better word, this has been the "rebuttal" from the left-wing media.

It definitely appears as though this story and its coverage will be completely partisan. Who and what you choose to believe will depend completely on which side of the political aisle you reside.... like most every other political news story over the last 20 years. This wont move the needle one bit.

Morning Joe Hosts Berate Fox News for Spying Hillary Claim

You do realize that is pretty much what Watergate was? Yes, you are right that biden might not have been complicit, but you can bet parts of the donkey party that arranged biden's candidacy were - and that they undermined and dogged Trump every step of the way until he was overthrown.
 
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You do realize that is pretty much what Watergate was? Yes, you are right that biden might not have been complicit, but you can bet parts of the donkey party that arranged biden's candidacy were - and that they undermined and dogged Trump every step of the way until he was overthrown.

Lying to the FISA court, all this...Dang just a mountain of lies built upon lies and criminal activity. Yet some just shake it off...That is some cult like **** and beyond hope for the continuance of our Republic in any peaceful manner.
 
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#65
Can you say...I-N-D-I-C-T-M-E-N-T-S? More indictments already for criminal collusion activity than you guys got on a $40M and subsequent investigations.
Right-wing media is over-hyping this story, similar to how the Mueller probe was over-hyped from June of 2017 to March of 2019 by the left.

It doesn't appear to involve Biden, and the details are murky... this isn't as cut and dry as some of you obviously want to believe. You are setting yourselves up for a disappointment on par with what liberals felt in April of 2019 - myself included.
 
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You do realize that is pretty much what Watergate was? Yes, you are right that biden might not have been complicit, but you can bet parts of the donkey party that arranged biden's candidacy were - and that they undermined and dogged Trump every step of the way until he was overthrown.
Wrong. It isn't Watergate unless it involved the Obama White House. And the Durham court filing doesn't say what you evidently think it does. Have you actually read it? Or are you just relying on an interpretation from right-wing media? They aren't playing it straight with you.
 
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Gotta get to November because there will be a change in congress. I don't have a lot of confidence in the republican party but there are too many shiny objects out there for them not to go after one.

My concern is with the short term memories that most voters have. I'm not expecting a giant red wave as some may have indicated and if a majority is achieved, I believe it will be a slim one.
 
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Right-wing media is over-hyping this story, similar to how the Mueller probe was over-hyped from June of 2017 to March of 2019 by the left.

It doesn't appear to involve Biden, and the details are murky... this isn't as cut and dry as some of you obviously want to believe. You are setting yourselves up for a disappointment on par with what liberals felt in April of 2019 - myself included.

You were disappointed Trump didn't collude with the Russians to win the election? What a world
 
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Wrong. It isn't Watergate unless it involved the Obama White House. And the Durham court filing doesn't say what you evidently think it does. Have you actually read it? Or are you just relying on an interpretation from right-wing media? They aren't playing it straight with you.

You think the stuff you believed about Trump, all neatly packaged by the Clinton campaign and used by a DC bureaucracy that didn't want an outsider in power, was people playing straight with your? You know the Watergate scandal was all about trying to uncover and discredit information that was potentially harmful to Nixon, and the Steele dossier and it's follow on was virtually the same kind of dirty tricks - actually more sinister.

Sure the media blow everything out of proportion - the mundane doesn't generate income. It's why most headlines don't generally match the story under the headline.
 
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My concern is with the short term memories that most voters have. I'm not expecting a giant red wave as some may have indicated and if a majority is achieved, I believe it will be a slim one.

Almost dont recognize you with the ZOSO now
 
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You think the stuff you believed about Trump, all neatly packaged by the Clinton campaign and used by a DC bureaucracy that didn't want an outsider in power, was people playing straight with your? You know the Watergate scandal was all about trying to uncover and discredit information that was potentially harmful to Nixon, and the Steele dossier and it's follow on was virtually the same kind of dirty tricks - actually more sinister.

Sure the media blow everything out of proportion - the mundane doesn't generate income. It's why most headlines don't generally match the story under the headline.

Such bizarre rationale...A lie by one party in which there is no criminality is equitable to the actual criminality of the other party for the exact same thing. Now this is the BIG LIE
 
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You were disappointed Trump didn't collude with the Russians to win the election? What a world
Spare me the patronizing and read some of the posts in this thread from your right-wing brethren. They are practically wetting themselves with delight over the prospect that it might be proven that Hillary Clinton's campaign spied on Trump.

What a world, indeed.
 
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Spare me the patronizing and read some of the posts in this thread from your right-wing brethren. They are practically wetting themselves with delight over the prospect that it might be proven that Hillary Clinton's campaign spied on Trump.

What a world, indeed.

You are so wrong on any glee...So wrong.
 
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Such bizarre rationale...A lie by one party in which there is no criminality is equitable to the actual criminality of the other party for the exact same thing. Now this is the BIG LIE
This is in itself, a partisan vantage point. We are a long way from "actual criminality" having been proven.
 

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