Perry at the top of GOP polls. Why?

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droski is more of a stock ubs kinda guy. they are anti annuity. never talked with a single guy from there who was for them.

my main financial guy inside my agency is pro annuity.

both have good points but are bias.


insurance companies and their investors are very annuity pro and not so pro stock.

it comes down to what fits the clients needs. not everyone has the risk tolerance for stocks or mutual funds.

common stock will always have a better "chance" if higher return but it doesnt mean it will. I saw some fixed annuities in 00 that were locked in 7 years at 12 percent floors. they killed the market. floors right now are crap on most but again annuties are not designed for high risk. anyone in a va annuity needs to look at other options.

but and here is a big but ... va's with gto's inside of them have outperformed the market in many aspects because when things went south the money was moved to the fixed bucket and kept the money safe then it was moved back into the market when the rebound happened. it's also a good option for people who dont have time to follow the market.

it's all about the risk tolerance.
 
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droski said:
it does seem strange that the deficit would be this high if that many jobs were being created.
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The tax system in texas is odd to put it mildly, and fwiw most of the jobs that are being created there are at places like walmart, carls jr, etc.
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theutvolunteers said:
Dude is way to Jesus-y

Perry that is.
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If someone said Obama was way too "negroidy" people would rightly be up in arms. If someone said that a candidate was too "Muslimy", folks like you would bounce off the walls.

But if a guy practices his Christian faith openly then you feel justified in taking shots. Why?
 
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sjt18 said:
If someone said Obama was way too "negroidy" people would rightly be up in arms. If someone said that a candidate was too "Muslimy", folks like you would bounce off the walls.

But if a guy practices his Christian faith openly then you feel justified in taking shots. Why?
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I actually agree with you here in terms of his phraseology.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I actually agree with you here in terms of his phraseology.
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Why just that? Why not say that a person should be judged on the policies and ideals they ascribe to and their effectiveness as a leader?

Our worldviews inform our opinions and actions. Perry's Christianity will inform his opinions on a wide range of topics... but his conclusions on a given subject could be the same as a Catholic's, atheist's, Muslim's, etc.

I believe that the concept of the sovereignty of the individual is VERY consistent with the NT's teachings. I believe it provides a basis for gov't that is MOST consistent with biblical Christianity. However that concept is not unique or uniquely consistent with Christianity.

You can arrive there by logical process starting from a wide range of world views so long as they are ones that respect and emphasize the person.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why just that? Why not say that a person should be judged on the policies and ideals they ascribe to and their effectiveness as a leader?

Our worldviews inform our opinions and actions. Perry's Christianity will inform his opinions on a wide range of topics... but his conclusions on a given subject could be the same as a Catholic's, atheist's, Muslim's, etc.

I believe that the concept of the sovereignty of the individual is VERY consistent with the NT's teachings. I believe it provides a basis for gov't that is MOST consistent with biblical Christianity. However that concept is not unique or uniquely consistent with Christianity.

You can arrive there by logical process starting from a wide range of world views so long as they are ones that respect and emphasize the person.
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Because a politician that is so religious (regardless of what the religion might be) to the degree that he will clearly be informed by it in his decision making obviously thereby makes his religion an issue.

Should we not talk about Obama's liberal ideology? Of course we do because that plays a role in his decisions. How about a President's prior career, or his education? Those things play a role and therefore get talked about.

Perry is running in part on the platform that he is a conservative, evangelical Christian. Clearly, he makes no secret of the fact that this will be part of what drives his decisions.

I, personally, am scared by politicians who make religion a major part of their political discourse. To me, it is highly relevant.
 
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JayVols said:
Well said.
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When you get down to it, it is all or nothing and that is just his cockamamy interpretation of what I'm saying anyway.

Back to Rick Perry.

It isn't easy but Rick Perry is an even worse candidate than Mitt Romney.

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Notice the lovely woman in the Houston ACORN shirt
standing with a smiling Rick Perry.

We Are ACORN Mighty, Mighty ACORN: Rick Perry Edition | A Time For Choosing

In other ACORN news: A Nevada Judge fines ACORN but wanted prison for ACORN’s leaders.

Read BREAKING: (link) ‘Banana Republic’ ACORN Hit with Maximum Fine in Voter Fraud Scheme over at Big Government for the entire run down.

As you know President Barack Obama used to work for ACORN. His job was training the rent-a-thugs the finer points of communist Saul Alinsky’s manifesto Rules for Radicals
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Over the last few days a lot of people have been hammering Rick Perry because he was once a democrat [at a time most Texas politicians were] and was Al Gore’s Texas campaign chairman in 1988.
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The relationships people need to question Perry about are his ties to groups like ACORN, as well as open borders, race-baiting groups like LULAC and La Raza [literally, The Race] that advocate illegal immigration and support the Reconquista of the Southwestern United States.

We’ll have more on Perry’s ties to these groups and his sorry record on illegal immigration to come.
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lawgator1 said:
Because a politician that is so religious (regardless of what the religion might be) to the degree that he will clearly be informed by it in his decision making obviously thereby makes his religion an issue.
Should we not talk about Obama's liberal ideology? Of course we do because that plays a role in his decisions. How about a President's prior career, or his education? Those things play a role and therefore get talked about.

Perry is running in part on the platform that he is a conservative, evangelical Christian. Clearly, he makes no secret of the fact that this will be part of what drives his decisions.

I, personally, am scared by politicians who make religion a major part of their political discourse. To me, it is highly relevant.
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This is true for a politician with any beliefs (religious or otherwise) which makes this a BS statement, the same could be said for Atheists, hardcore believers in manmade global warming etc. No matter what someone believes in others will find a reason to be alarmed.

For years alarm bells have been set off about religious beliefs of this candidate or that candidate having strong Christian beliefs that might govern his or her decisions and they have always amounted to squat because of the very nature of our government, checks and balances, not to mention public sentiment have reduced that concern to a farce.
 
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still wondering at how the left and democrats criticize the "religious right" at every turn only to turn around and have photo ops with left-leaning church groups and launch campaigns to "take God back". Not to mention the various "Jesus was a socialist" garbage that's floating around.

if stumping for Jesus is bad for the GOP, it should be equally bad for the democrats
 
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MG1968 said:
still wondering at how the left and democrats criticize the "religious right" at every turn only to turn around and have photo ops with left-leaning church groups and launch campaigns to "take God back". Not to mention the various "Jesus was a socialist" garbage that's floating around.

if stumping for Jesus is bad for the GOP, it should be equally bad for the democrats
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then it wouldnt be a double standard
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theutvolunteers said:
Dude is way to Jesus-y

Perry that is.
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lawgator1 said:
Because a politician that is so religious (regardless of what the religion might be) to the degree that he will clearly be informed by it in his decision making obviously thereby makes his religion an issue.
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I see these comments fairly often and it seems there are never any meaningful comments that actually describe what major issues might exist by being "too Jesus-y" or "so religious". In other words, please help me understand what your actual concerns are.

When I think of Jesus I think of someone that is caring, loving, honest, kind, just, and a man of the people who actually berated religion and some government. What exactly would be the negatives that have so many people concerned? BTW... this is a serious question.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Because a politician that is so religious (regardless of what the religion might be) to the degree that he will clearly be informed by it in his decision making obviously thereby makes his religion an issue.
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Then you are basically doing nothing but applying a religious standard for public service, correct? That has been illegal since the founding of our country.

Otherwise you are saying that the only ones who are qualified for office are those who are completely unprincipled, untethered from any concrete sense of right and wrong, and fundamentally driven only by their own craving for power.... basically the same type of corrupt people we have now.

Should we not talk about Obama's liberal ideology? Of course we do because that plays a role in his decisions. How about a President's prior career, or his education? Those things play a role and therefore get talked about.
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FWIW, I think if religion is part of what informs someone's positions then asking clarifying questions is fair game. It is fair to ask Obama if he agrees with certain elements of Black Liberation Theology since the pastor he identified as a mentor is a strong advocate of it. It is fair to ask Perry about teachings that might influence his views on homosexuals, women, welfare, etc.

Perry is running in part on the platform that he is a conservative, evangelical Christian. Clearly, he makes no secret of the fact that this will be part of what drives his decisions.
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And you find this worse somehow than someone being disingenuous like Kerry? He claimed to have a strong Catholic faith but that his faith had no bearing on his policies. The media allowed him to get away with saying that he held two often mutually exclusive worldviews at the same time.

I, personally, am scared by politicians who make religion a major part of their political discourse. To me, it is highly relevant.
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Yet you have no problem with those who make suppression of religious expression a major part of their political discourse, right? You have no problem with politicians who make secular humanism a major part of their political discourse, correct? You have no problem with those who make foisting a liberal view of morality on the unwilling a major part of their discourse, right?

Look, join me anytime you like. I do not like these "Whose ox will be gored" types of issues. I believe they are most times a fallacy of limited alternatives. If the exercise of gov't power results in one side winning and the other side losing.... then the problem is almost always gov't having that power to start with.

Shrink gov't to the levels and scope I support... and you won't have to worry about the religious or philosophical opinions of anyone in DC restricting your freedom.
 
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LG, as a Christian, Perry should take the teachings of Christ serious, correct?

If so then he should make the rights and sovereignty of the individual paramount... correct? For example, he should state that he morally disagrees with homosexuality but will defend their constitutionally guaranteed rights... as well as those who disagree with homosexuality.

He should NOT see gov't as a vehicle for achieving "Christian ends" regarding morality OR the relief of the poor/elderly/disabled, correct? I have seen a recent revival amongst liberals/progressives of the idea that Christians should support social welfare specifically because of their Christianity. Rangel in particular argued this case a couple of weeks ago on one of the Fox shows.

Why would you as a liberal respect the argument that welfare is "moral" while rejecting the notion that gov't should dictate in other moral areas?
 
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There's plenty of reason to worry that Perry or Palin would govern based on religious dogma rather than pure reason.

For one thing, they say so.
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lawgator1 said:
There's plenty of reason to worry that Perry or Palin would govern based on religious dogma rather than pure reason.

For one thing, they say so.
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Pure reason? How deep down that rabbit hole would you like to go? NO ONE governs based on "pure reason". EVERYONE makes assumptions about where "reasoning" starts based on their philosophical pov.

Give me an example of someone you think governs or would govern based on "pure reason". I am 100% confident that I can prove you wrong.

What specifically have they said they would enforce regarding their particular sectarian pov's?

You have also attempted or maybe accepted a non sequitur. Just because someone is religious or has views informed by religion does not mean they do not hold "reasoned" positions. It may mean that their starting point dictates a different conclusion than yours. However that does not make their reasoning inferior to yours.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There's plenty of reason to worry that Perry or Palin would govern based on religious dogma rather than pure reason.

For one thing, they say so.
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I haven't seen it addressed yet. But is this just strictly a religion hang up on your end? Politicians and people in general form beliefs systems and codes to live and govern by everyday. If I don't agree with a politician in this regard I don't vote for them, "religious" or not. I'd rather any politician be up front with what and why the stand where they do. Don't happen much but I'd rather know.
 
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He is in now, but im still trying to figure out what makes him the so called "frontrunner" and great as the media seems to be pushing him as?
 
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